Atheist groups protest prayers at Gre...
Night Watcher

Ardsley, NY

#41 Sep 7, 2012
Have any arrests been made?
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#42 Sep 7, 2012
Night Watcher wrote:
Have any arrests been made?
Violations of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution by public officials carry civil, not criminal penalties.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#43 Sep 7, 2012
It's not a money thing either, even a lawsuit related to this sort of thing would be seeking more of a cease and desist rather than any sort of monetary compensation. It's just about respecting the Constitution. They would be given the option of opening up prayer to all faiths without leading any particular one, or simply not praying at all.

As I've said many times, it's pretty simple. No reason to make a big deal about it either way.
Daysofsummer

Jersey City, NJ

#44 Sep 7, 2012
Effington wrote:
It's in my opinion that prayers at school board meetings are completely inappropriate. I know G-A isn't the only district around here to do it either.
Really. Praying for the people who make crucial decisions about our children. What were they thinking?
Daysofsummer

Jersey City, NJ

#45 Sep 7, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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Violations of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution by public officials carry civil, not criminal penalties.
They didn't make anyone pray with them. You don't know your law.
Pittsburgh-Ameri can

Chambersburg, PA

#46 Sep 7, 2012
Effington wrote:
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First of all,@Dan, pleaaaaase don't let this turn into a discussion about illegal immigration.
As for Pittsburgher, you did imply that I don't do nice things for people. This is a classic perception of people who see the non-religious as a threat to society and their freedom, when in fact, we're quite the opposite. We're kind, loving, charitable people with jobs and families - and freedom is exactly what we
And who said anything about creating a problem? All we want is for the school board to follow the rules. They get money from the government to have these meetings, OUR tax dollars pay their salaries. As a condition of that, the constitution clearly states that a specific religion cannot be endorsed. Simple, just stop praying. No problem, no big deal - most schools who are asked to stop this practice do so.
Once again you, like Dan, are always on the defensive. I never said you don't do nice things for people. To suggest that someone go do something nice for someone meant simply that. Just as telling someone to have a nice day means simply that.I am sorry if I offended you.As for my statement about wanting to cause trouble, I believe that was the purpose of this man coming to a school board meeting miles from his home. A place where he pays no taxes to and he has no children in the district.No one in this community has ever expressed an objection to prayer. As a matter of fact they welcome and appreciate pray on behalf of the students and families. There was no good reason for this man to come. For someone to travel all that way to try and stir up trouble for someone else shows that there is a definate problem but it isn't with the school district. The problem lies within that mans heart.
DGS

Jersey Shore, PA

#47 Sep 7, 2012
Pittsburgh-American wrote:
<quoted text>Once again you, like Dan, are always on the defensive. I never said you don't do nice things for people. To suggest that someone go do something nice for someone meant simply that. Just as telling someone to have a nice day means simply that.I am sorry if I offended you.As for my statement about wanting to cause trouble, I believe that was the purpose of this man coming to a school board meeting miles from his home. A place where he pays no taxes to and he has no children in the district.No one in this community has ever expressed an objection to prayer. As a matter of fact they welcome and appreciate pray on behalf of the students and families. There was no good reason for this man to come. For someone to travel all that way to try and stir up trouble for someone else shows that there is a definate problem but it isn't with the school district. The problem lies within that mans heart.
According to your logic, back in the thirties if a southern town felt it was right to lynch African Americans, unless someone in the town came forward to complain, since everyone in the town apparently was okay with it, just let it be........Sorry, wrong is wrong regardless of the environment.
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#48 Sep 8, 2012
Daysofsummer wrote:
<quoted text>They didn't make anyone pray with them. You don't know your law.
Please, educate me on the law. What exactly does the law say about public officials having a Christian prayer at public meetings?

While you're reading the law, go ahead and define "endorsement" for me, especially the part where it means "making other people pray with them."

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#49 Sep 8, 2012
Daysofsummer wrote:
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Really. Praying for the people who make crucial decisions about our children. What were they thinking?
Pray for "our" children all you want, just not on my dime. That's the point folks like you can't wrap your head around. You're welcome to pray all you want, just not leading a Christian prayer at a publicly funded meeting.

It's not appropriate, it's against the constitution, just stop. What's the big deal?
Pittsburgh-Ameri can

Chambersburg, PA

#50 Sep 8, 2012
DGS wrote:
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According to your logic, back in the thirties if a southern town felt it was right to lynch African Americans, unless someone in the town came forward to complain, since everyone in the town apparently was okay with it, just let it be........Sorry, wrong is wrong regardless of the environment.
Wow. Some of you have really big imaginations.No one in Greencastle went looking for this man nor did they pray with any ill will towards anyone.How sad that some people have a problem with inviting God to any gatherings. I guess it was ok for him to slander our Lord and those in attendance are supposed to let it go. He came in behalf of his religion whether or not you will acknowlege that.
DGS

Jersey Shore, PA

#51 Sep 8, 2012
Pittsburgh-American wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. Some of you have really big imaginations.No one in Greencastle went looking for this man nor did they pray with any ill will towards anyone.How sad that some people have a problem with inviting God to any gatherings. I guess it was ok for him to slander our Lord and those in attendance are supposed to let it go. He came in behalf of his religion whether or not you will acknowlege that.
So, you would not have a problem if before the meetings, all the board members put mats on the floor, turned to Mecca and prayed to Allah? I do believe you would have a fit. Your God is NOT everyones God and the boards actions may very well offend a great deal of people in your Christian community whether or not you choose to believe it.
Pittsburgh-Ameri can

Chambersburg, PA

#52 Sep 8, 2012
DGS wrote:
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So, you would not have a problem if before the meetings, all the board members put mats on the floor, turned to Mecca and prayed to Allah? I do believe you would have a fit. Your God is NOT everyones God and the boards actions may very well offend a great deal of people in your Christian community whether or not you choose to believe it.
I won't waste anymore time on this.I totally see where you are trying to take this.The GASD board has had prayer since before most of us can remember. It has always been a tradition in the community. Most people would find it pretty sad that someone who lives over 60 miles away would come all this way to offend a group of people who have done nothing to him. It is very obvious what his purpose is. Have a nice day.
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#53 Sep 8, 2012
Pittsburgh-American wrote:
<quoted text>I won't waste anymore time on this.I totally see where you are trying to take this.The GASD board has had prayer since before most of us can remember. It has always been a tradition in the community. Most people would find it pretty sad that someone who lives over 60 miles away would come all this way to offend a group of people who have done nothing to him. It is very obvious what his purpose is. Have a nice day.
Indeed. His purpose IS obvious - confronting public officials who are engaging in un-Constitutional and illegal conduct.

Good for him. Too bad nobody IN the school district has the same respect for the Constitution.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#54 Sep 9, 2012
Pittsburgh-American wrote:
<quoted text>I won't waste anymore time on this.I totally see where you are trying to take this.The GASD board has had prayer since before most of us can remember. It has always been a tradition in the community. Most people would find it pretty sad that someone who lives over 60 miles away would come all this way to offend a group of people who have done nothing to him. It is very obvious what his purpose is. Have a nice day.
How sad would it be, really? It's wrong, you KNOW it's wrong. You all do. But you'd rather put up a fight rather than respect the constitution. Not only do you live in a country with unprecedented religious freedom, but you also happen to live in the most religious industrialized country on Earth. There's only one catch - if it's funded, organized-by or otherwise paid for with public tax money, a single religion cannot be endorsed. Seems like a fair trade-off.

This sort of thing may have been the norm in the 1950's, but like a lot of things that were commonplace in the '50's, this type of prayer is inappropriate today. And what kind of message does it send to non-Christian families that may live in or move to the area? That this is a country of freedom - RELIGIOUS FREEDOM - but guess what, only if it's Christianity. That's not what our founding fathers wanted.

Again, the choice is simple. Just stop leading these meetings with a prayer. Tuscarora, you're next.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#55 Sep 21, 2012
Saw this on the Simpsons recently, surprisingly relevant:

"Prayer has no place in public schools, just like facts have no place in organized religion."

The schools I pay for with my tax money should teach facts only. Save the prayer for Sunday School.
DGS

Jersey Shore, PA

#56 Sep 22, 2012
Pittsburgh-American wrote:
<quoted text>I won't waste anymore time on this.I totally see where you are trying to take this.The GASD board has had prayer since before most of us can remember. It has always been a tradition in the community. Most people would find it pretty sad that someone who lives over 60 miles away would come all this way to offend a group of people who have done nothing to him. It is very obvious what his purpose is. Have a nice day.
I am taking it where you cannot defend it. I would go a thousand miles to protect the rights of someone. You obviously need to get out of Franklin county a bit more often.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#57 Sep 28, 2012
Dan the Man

Chambersburg, PA

#58 Sep 28, 2012
Concerned Taxpayer

Shippensburg, PA

#59 Sep 29, 2012
It seems there is more illegal Christian crusading happening in Chambersburg as well. There is a bus driver that plays Christian music over and over. The bus driver tells the children that it must be Christian music or no music. Should I call the ACLU? Obviously, these radical fundamentalists do not know that they cannot legally do these things...
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#60 Sep 30, 2012
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
It seems there is more illegal Christian crusading happening in Chambersburg as well. There is a bus driver that plays Christian music over and over. The bus driver tells the children that it must be Christian music or no music. Should I call the ACLU? Obviously, these radical fundamentalists do not know that they cannot legally do these things...
Tell the children to demand no music. See what he does.

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