Gay-straight alliance denied club status in Chambersburg Schools

Feb 28, 2013 Full story: ABC 27 88

The Chambersburg School Board voted against students who wanted club status given to the Gay-Straight Alliance they had formed at the high school Wednesday night.

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Wolfgang

Chambersburg, PA

#43 Mar 3, 2013
Gee Danny the little warrior boy, when do you spend time with the family you say you have? Oh I know when. NEVER! Because you don't have a family. Poor pathetic, no life loser thinks an educated opinion is fact.

Hey Danny little warrior boy, are you aware that everyone (except your other multiple personality posters) think you are a clown and just a big fat joke here?

You should get an award for spending the most time on topix and another award for providing everyone with such a good laugh.

Hey little warrior boy, no work this weekend again or last week and the week before. Oh darn, that's right you don't support yourself...I do, as a taxpayer.

What a loser you are, no wonder you spend so much time here. No one wants you in the real world. So you come here and invent "friends", that agree with you. Poor lost little warrior.

Well unlike you, I have a life, family and friends...so good riddence.
Gerbils 4 Sale

Brooklyn, NY

#44 Mar 3, 2013
If any of the gay men on here would like to purchase some gerbils for themselves and their lovers we will be having a huge St. Patties Day sale on them. More details to come in the next few days.
Really

Chambersburg, PA

#45 Mar 3, 2013
Gerbils 4 Sale wrote:
If any of the gay men on here would like to purchase some gerbils for themselves and their lovers we will be having a huge St. Patties Day sale on them. More details to come in the next few days.
let me guess, you personally train each gerbil.

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#46 Mar 5, 2013
buckle up wrote:
It's also interesting how just disagreeing on the subject warrants the term homophobe. We used to be free to disagree. Not anymore. Which proves an agenda is the issue not behavior.
Free to disagree, not free to discriminate.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#47 Mar 5, 2013
Effington wrote:
<quoted text>Free to disagree, not free to discriminate.
When it comes to the homosexuals a person who merely disagrees is a homophobe. And they will not be happy until everyone supports their lifestyle. Of course God's word doesn't change and there will always be a remnant who will not bow down to the god of this world so i guess the homosexuals will just have to be unhappy. And that's a damn shame.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#48 Mar 5, 2013
Are you worried that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage and traditional family values? You're not alone.

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#49 Mar 6, 2013
jtb_hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
When it comes to the homosexuals a person who merely disagrees is a homophobe. And they will not be happy until everyone supports their lifestyle. Of course God's word doesn't change and there will always be a remnant who will not bow down to the god of this world so i guess the homosexuals will just have to be unhappy. And that's a damn shame.
You couldn't be more wrong - or pathetic. If you disagree with the gay lifestyle, as you eloquently put it, then yes, you are a homophobe. But I and "they" could care less if you are one or not. There are still racists in this country, we can't help that, but at least racist laws are no longer on the book. We, they, whatever will not be happy until homosexuals have the same rights and freedoms as all Americans.

There will always, always be holier-than-thou, overzealous, bigots hiding their racism/sexism/homophobia behind scripture - that's life, we get it. And we don't care.

Isn't it enough that according to your interpretation of the Bible, the homos are going to hell? You're welcome to your bigotry.

And who know JB, maybe sometime - and with the way things are going - people who think like you may be the minority in this country. The most recent polls show 54% of Americans support gay marriage. Bye bye "moral" majority.
Really

Chambersburg, PA

#50 Mar 6, 2013
Effington wrote:
<quoted text>
Bye bye "moral" majority.
Those who called themselves the Moral Majority were neither.
MJ Bethel

Chambersburg, PA

#51 Mar 6, 2013
Effington wrote:
<quoted text>
And who know JB, maybe sometime - and with the way things are going - people who think like you may be the minority in this country. The most recent polls show 54% of Americans support gay marriage. Bye bye "moral" majority.
I just want to point out how putting emphasis on what the "majority" thinks is meaningless. Being in the majority does not mean it is correct.
There was once a "majority"of people during the 18th and 19th centuries that believed that women should not vote. That same "majority" believed that women should not go to law school nor should they be allowed to inherit property or buy property.

There was a time when a "majority" of people thought abortion was okay. That was during the 70's through 2000. Today a "majority" of people are pro life instead of pro choice.
Often times, it may be years, decades or more time before a majority will see the errors and folly of their beliefs.

Ever hear of GROUPTHINK?

Groupthink is a pattern of thought characterized by self deception, forced manufacture of consent, and conformity to "group" values and ethics.

I find liberals "groupthink"

Since: May 09

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#52 Mar 6, 2013
MJ Bethel wrote:
<quoted text> I just want to point out how putting emphasis on what the "majority" thinks is meaningless. Being in the majority does not mean it is correct.
There was once a "majority"of people during the 18th and 19th centuries that believed that women should not vote. That same "majority" believed that women should not go to law school nor should they be allowed to inherit property or buy property.
There was a time when a "majority" of people thought abortion was okay. That was during the 70's through 2000. Today a "majority" of people are pro life instead of pro choice.
Often times, it may be years, decades or more time before a majority will see the errors and folly of their beliefs.
Ever hear of GROUPTHINK?
Groupthink is a pattern of thought characterized by self deception, forced manufacture of consent, and conformity to "group" values and ethics.
I find liberals "groupthink"
On your point about majority opinion being meaningless and the pitfalls of groupthink, I agree with you completely. The Constitution is designed to help protect the minority from an oppressive, majority opinion. I only used that as example toward JTB who was trying to express that there will always be people who think like him, and those opposing his opinion will never be happy. I simply disagree with that and it used to be easier for people like him to claim "majority rules" on an opinion, such as gay rights, but it is becoming harder as social attitudes shift.

My point of view is quite simple and I truly believe it is the foundation of the Constitution as our founding father intended - the Constitution is about providing rights and liberties for individuals and not about taking them away.

So if a majority of Americans at one time supported slavery and opposed women's rights to vote and go to college, then it's a natural social and Constitutional progression to provide rights to those who were once denied them.

It's the same things with gay marriage - regardless of your opinion, or majority opinion, it's an issue of individual rights and history is always on the progressive side of that debate.

Abortion is a unique case - and you're wrong about abortion ever being considered "ok" by a majority of people at any time, and you're even more wrong about a majority of people being "pro life" today. It wasn't until a poll conducted this past January that for the first time ever a majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/21...

Anyway, the most interesting thing you said in your post is that you think that liberals "groupthink." It's interesting because conservatives are the very definition of groupthink - while liberals rarely agree on a wide variety of issues, it's conservatives that often take a position and refuse to budge from it. It's the very thing that has made the GOP so powerful - the lack of dissent. Of course, that's changing these days but I digress.

The point is, "majority rules" is not how our democracy works when it comes to individual rights and civil liberties. JTB basis his opinions on his religion, or his interpretation of the Christian Bible at least. That used to work pretty well because a majority of Americans would take a religious stance on a multitude of issues. I just find it interesting that the influence of the so-called religious "moral majority" (note the use of quotes) isn't so pervasive anymore.

If history has taught us anything about the pitfalls of groupthink, ti's that gay marriage will be legal soon enough.

Since: May 09

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#53 Mar 6, 2013
TL;DR - Duh, groupthink is bad, but history always favors expanding individual rights rather than taking them away, regardless - but still influenced by - public opinion.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#54 Mar 6, 2013
Effington wrote:
<quoted text>You couldn't be more wrong - or pathetic. If you disagree with the gay lifestyle, as you eloquently put it, then yes, you are a homophobe. But I and "they" could care less if you are one or not. There are still racists in this country, we can't help that, but at least racist laws are no longer on the book. We, they, whatever will not be happy until homosexuals have the same rights and freedoms as all Americans.

There will always, always be holier-than-thou, overzealous, bigots hiding their racism/sexism/homophobia behind scripture - that's life, we get it. And we don't care.

Isn't it enough that according to your interpretation of the Bible, the homos are going to hell? You're welcome to your bigotry.

And who know JB, maybe sometime - and with the way things are going - people who think like you may be the minority in this country. The most recent polls show 54% of Americans support gay marriage. Bye bye "moral" majority.
Oh no doubt sodomites will get their way and be recognized by the fed govt. it's coming we all know that.

No true christian wants homosexuals to go to hell. It is sad. We are all sinners. We all deserve hell. Unfortunately you have rejected christ and will die in your sins. Christians have repented and put their faith and trust in christ and will die forgiven.

Call it holier than thou if you want. Actually according to the bible one who has repented and been forgiven is holier than the one who is too prideful to repent.
MJ Bethel

Chambersburg, PA

#55 Mar 6, 2013
Careful, careful. You are opening yourself up for an attack from Dan the man. You said TL :DR?

Whenever someone does that his response is an insult to that person. He says things along the line of.....not surprised you didn't read it because you are too stupid to comprehend a long article....

I'm curious. I wonder if he will insult you or give you a pass? My guess is he will give you a pass. He is not a very disciplined person. DTM is for sure a groupthinker. That is his problem. He is very narrow, shallow and intolerant.. He is a follower, not a thinker.He actually gives liberals a bad name.

Since: May 09

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#56 Mar 6, 2013
MJ Bethel wrote:
Careful, careful. You are opening yourself up for an attack from Dan the man. You said TL :DR?
Whenever someone does that his response is an insult to that person. He says things along the line of.....not surprised you didn't read it because you are too stupid to comprehend a long article....
I'm curious. I wonder if he will insult you or give you a pass? My guess is he will give you a pass. He is not a very disciplined person. DTM is for sure a groupthinker. That is his problem. He is very narrow, shallow and intolerant.. He is a follower, not a thinker.He actually gives liberals a bad name.
I TL;DR'd my own post, Bethel. I know it was long-winded so I provided that as a service to anyone who didn't want to read the whole thing.

Since: May 09

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#57 Mar 6, 2013
jtb_hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no doubt sodomites will get their way and be recognized by the fed govt. it's coming we all know that.
No true christian wants homosexuals to go to hell. It is sad. We are all sinners. We all deserve hell. Unfortunately you have rejected christ and will die in your sins. Christians have repented and put their faith and trust in christ and will die forgiven.
Call it holier than thou if you want. Actually according to the bible one who has repented and been forgiven is holier than the one who is too prideful to repent.
This is like the new and improved JTB - the JTB I knew seemed relish the opportunity to condemn Non-Christians, sinners and "false" Christians (as you often called them).

Yeah, yeah, I know all about dying in my sins. As far as I can tell, I'll have some good company. Doesn't it seem silly that every person who isn't even the same, specific type of Christian you are is condemned to burn for all eternity?
Wolfgang

Chambersburg, PA

#58 Mar 6, 2013
Here's what I know and I certainly am not a Religious Scholar.. I really don't have a problem with homosexuals. I do have a problem when they get weird and do starnge things in public....but hey....so do hetersexuals.

I have noticed that homosexuals for the most part are very loving when it comes to animals. Animals are also God's creatures. Hetersexuals hunt, I don't like that. There is no need for that in this day and age.

Here's the thing, I don't like Obama. I agree with a lot of liberal things BUT..... because I don't like Obama, everything else I just mentioned is null and void. To me, that is being narrow minded and intolerant..

You know what? Stop expecting everyone to think like you..and that's BOTH sides!!

Here's the bottom line.....can we just accept each other?

Bad people....no thanks.

Sure we have different opinions, but then isn't variety the spice of life? With in reason of course

So come on peole....stop the hate between one another just because someone thinks different then you

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#59 Mar 6, 2013
Effington wrote:
<quoted text>This is like the new and improved JTB - the JTB I knew seemed relish the opportunity to condemn Non-Christians, sinners and "false" Christians (as you often called them).

Yeah, yeah, I know all about dying in my sins. As far as I can tell, I'll have some good company. Doesn't it seem silly that every person who isn't even the same, specific type of Christian you are is condemned to burn for all eternity?
Well. A repeat from 5 years ago. There are inner core beliefs and outer core beliefs. The inner core beliefs must be lived and believed or a person isn't a christian, though they may call themselves a christian. Examples would be mormons, unity carol types, unsaved church members etc. inner core beliefs would include one God, the trinity, Jesus' death burial and resurrection, believing Jesus is who he says he is (which was one of unity carols misgivings---as well as the fact she thought everyone went to heaven) the Bible is God's inerrant word, etc.

The outer core beliefs are not necessary for salvation such as differences in belief about eternal security, speaking in tongues, the present day use of gifts and offices of prophet and apostle, women in ministry, method of baptism, etc.

So when you say "same type christian, if you refer to the inner core beliefs then yes, a true christian will either believe and live it or be on their way to living it.

If you refer to the outer core doctrines then no, we dont have to all believe the same

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#60 Mar 6, 2013
Wolfgang wrote:
Here's what I know and I certainly am not a Religious Scholar.. I really don't have a problem with homosexuals. I do have a problem when they get weird and do starnge things in public....but hey....so do hetersexuals.

I have noticed that homosexuals for the most part are very loving when it comes to animals. Animals are also God's creatures. Hetersexuals hunt, I don't like that. There is no need for that in this day and age.

Here's the thing, I don't like Obama. I agree with a lot of liberal things BUT..... because I don't like Obama, everything else I just mentioned is null and void. To me, that is being narrow minded and intolerant..

You know what? Stop expecting everyone to think like you..and that's BOTH sides!!

Here's the bottom line.....can we just accept each other?

Bad people....no thanks.

Sure we have different opinions, but then isn't variety the spice of life? With in reason of course

So come on peole....stop the hate between one another just because someone thinks different then you
I don't hate homosexuals. But for a group of people like homosexuals who tell us we should be tolerant of others they are the most intollerant of all.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#61 Mar 6, 2013
Wolfgang wrote:
Here's what I know and I certainly am not a Religious Scholar.. I really don't have a problem with homosexuals. I do have a problem when they get weird and do starnge things in public....but hey....so do hetersexuals.

I have noticed that homosexuals for the most part are very loving when it comes to animals. Animals are also God's creatures. Hetersexuals hunt, I don't like that. There is no need for that in this day and age.

Here's the thing, I don't like Obama. I agree with a lot of liberal things BUT..... because I don't like Obama, everything else I just mentioned is null and void. To me, that is being narrow minded and intolerant..

You know what? Stop expecting everyone to think like you..and that's BOTH sides!!

Here's the bottom line.....can we just accept each other?

Bad people....no thanks.

Sure we have different opinions, but then isn't variety the spice of life? With in reason of course

So come on peole....stop the hate between one another just because someone thinks different then you
My problen is with people who call themselves "Christian" but have no idea what a true christian. They have a "hope so" mentality. They hope they will go to heaven when they die. They hope they are good enough. They hope God is pleased with them. They hope their momma and daddys religion is enough for them. They hope the 3 drops of water on their head at 6 months old will get them in.

But in reality they haven't the faintest idea what the Bible says about how to become a christian.

So prople like dan the man child believes he can make up any interpretation he likes about certain Bible verses and thats ok.

I suspect there are a good number of people at the methodist church i attend who believe they are christians but have never repented and put their faith and trust in Christ. And sadly the preacher isnt exactly hard hitting with his sermons.

So of course people are upset when someone confronts them with their false conversion or their fake hope so christianity.

Christianity is a specific belief not some hodge podge of beliefs and you can pick and choose which ones you want to believe like the episcopal church does.

So on sunday morning hosts of homosexuals will go to the metropolitan church in their city and be sold a bill of goods called christianity when really it is a fake road map leading them straight to the gates of hell.
Tax Payer

Greencastle, PA

#62 Mar 6, 2013
If this school board spends one dime of my tax money to defend this decision based on their personal beliefs, I'll be pissed.

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