LL parent

Lakewood, CA

#21 Feb 7, 2010
Little League still hasn't drafted their teams while Pony, LMGSA and even Bobby Sox all have started practicing. Whoever decided to delay the make up tryouts another week instead of having it on the Monday after the original Saturday should step down from the board. All this to try to get a handfull of late,late, sign ups. Put the kids and parents that were responsible enough to sign up on time ahead of these few late parents. February is always wet and you need every dry day of practice for these kids to be ready for the season.
baseball mommy

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Feb 12, 2010
LL parent wrote:
Little League still hasn't drafted their teams while Pony, LMGSA and even Bobby Sox all have started practicing. Whoever decided to delay the make up tryouts another week instead of having it on the Monday after the original Saturday should step down from the board. All this to try to get a handfull of late,late, sign ups. Put the kids and parents that were responsible enough to sign up on time ahead of these few late parents. February is always wet and you need every dry day of practice for these kids to be ready for the season.
Jeff Duhamel
LMLL Mommy

Canoga Park, CA

#23 Feb 12, 2010
I understand that Little League is required to hold two sets of tryouts for the major division and does so for the other younger divisions too. I also understand, having been in the league for a number of years, that the draft has only been postponed by 1 day do to all the rain we had. My sons paper work clearly shows the dates of the tryout and nothing was delayed but the makeup tryout from Saturday (raining) to Monday.

Jeff Duhamel puts in an incredible amount of time into this league and for that I am very appreciative. On the occasions that we had to speak with him he was always very cordial and seemed to have my sons best interest in mind.

Little League and all the other leagues here in LM have great volunteers and make this city the special place it is.

I heard that Jeff and 4 or 5 other board members do not have kids in the league and they are doing this because the love little league.(wow)

I Thank all the board members for offering their time to my family for these past years and especially to Dwight for his many many years of volunteerism in spite of his health difficulties and his granddaughters illness.
LL Parent

Folsom, CA

#24 Feb 13, 2010
Looks like the fields are now open and both Leagues have been given City approval to practice. Drafts are all but done and it's time to play baseball. Which ever League you choose to have your ball player play in, have fun and be part of the solution.
LL parent

Lakewood, CA

#25 Feb 14, 2010
Tryouts were delayed. Refer to last year when the make up day was the Monday after the Saturday tryout. If this schedule was kept maybe they would not have had the issues with the drafts this year. Something also needs to be done about the few coaches and parents telling kids to sandbag at the tryouts. Don't let LL become like Pony was a few years ago.
LMLL Mommy wrote:
I understand that Little League is required to hold two sets of tryouts for the major division and does so for the other younger divisions too. I also understand, having been in the league for a number of years, that the draft has only been postponed by 1 day do to all the rain we had. My sons paper work clearly shows the dates of the tryout and nothing was delayed but the makeup tryout from Saturday (raining) to Monday.
Jeff Duhamel puts in an incredible amount of time into this league and for that I am very appreciative. On the occasions that we had to speak with him he was always very cordial and seemed to have my sons best interest in mind.
Little League and all the other leagues here in LM have great volunteers and make this city the special place it is.
I heard that Jeff and 4 or 5 other board members do not have kids in the league and they are doing this because the love little league.(wow)
I Thank all the board members for offering their time to my family for these past years and especially to Dwight for his many many years of volunteerism in spite of his health difficulties and his granddaughters illness.
LMLL Dad

Lakewood, CA

#26 Feb 18, 2010
There seemed to be many issues this year with the tryout and draft in all divisions. As long as managers are able to freeze (so called gentlemans agreement) a coach pick and they are willing to cheat and convince other parents to have their kid cheat you will always have these issues. LL allowed a coach to come over from Pony rather than use coaches that had volunteered for many years and submitted applications to manager. In addition coaches were chosen that have a history of issues. Who rates the coaches during the season to see if they should move up? We think all the volunteers but when the reason for a mistake is "we are just volunteers" then maybe that person doesn't care enough. It is about the kids but you here that quote when someone is being questioned or has a personal agenda.

Hopefully this year turns out very good with BALANCED TEAMS. There is always a top team and a bottom team but if coaches have dominating teams every year then the coach pick agreement in round 6 should be changed. There is an advantage to teams that have a top manager and coach player pick compared to those who have bottom half players. It penalizes all the players on the team who didn't get a chance to pick their team. At least one team last year and another this year used there coach pick for a top player that the parent never agreed or was never contacted by the manager even though the manager made that statement. LL needs to have someone overlook the coach choice and the draft that is newer to the league. Change can be good if the right change is made.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE TEAMS AND ENJOY THE GAME IN SPITE OF THE ACTIONS OF US SO CALLED ADULTS.
LMLL wrote:
<quoted text>
A young boy was asked on Saturday after trying out how he did. He said, "not very good, my day told me not to". True story. I heard from a few people last year that one team in particular was telling kids to sandbag. The leagues can only make sure the draft is fair not the parents unethical behavior that the push on their own children.
LMLL Dad

United States

#27 Feb 18, 2010
Does anyone at LMLL do reference checks with former leagues? Why did this former Pony manager leave there and come to LMLL? Problems? MAybe there is communication out there and he's on the up and up but, if not then our kids will suffer and that isn't fair.

I know we have a few former Pony managers and they have a few of our former LL managers. Guess it is fair trade. Bottom line though - favoritism doesn't help anybody - especially not the kids!
LM Parent

La Mirada, CA

#28 Feb 18, 2010
Open up your mouth and ask them....
That is the only way you hear it first hand.
LMLL Dad wrote:
Does anyone at LMLL do reference checks with former leagues? Why did this former Pony manager leave there and come to LMLL? Problems? MAybe there is communication out there and he's on the up and up but, if not then our kids will suffer and that isn't fair.
I know we have a few former Pony managers and they have a few of our former LL managers. Guess it is fair trade. Bottom line though - favoritism doesn't help anybody - especially not the kids!
LM Parent

La Mirada, CA

#29 Feb 18, 2010
Far from it...
He is a commisioner at the city and the past LMAC president.
He is a great coach in Pop warner and at the High school.

I am assuming he is a good baseball coach, but from what i hear, he is very ethical.
LL parent wrote:
Hopefully the pony coach that moved to little league minor B wasn't one of those removed at Pony.
Better luck next year

Lakewood, CA

#31 Feb 24, 2010
Hopefully you are right and he is ethcal. There are a few out there that are not. If players came over that he was the only one that knew their skills and the did not intentionally perform well at tryout and ended up on his team then his ethics will be seen. I have heard he is a good coach and has connections that help get him a team over others that applied. There are some that should not be given teams after they leave Minor C but no one pays attention to how they perform. Maybe they can do a better job going forward in choosing coaches. Sometimes it s hard when there are not enough volunteer coaches or when good coaches team up together to be on the same team. It may be better to split them up and not allow the coach pick. If they we up for grabs they may choose to coach rather than get stuck on a weak coaches team.
LM Parent wrote:
Far from it...
He is a commisioner at the city and the past LMAC president.
He is a great coach in Pop warner and at the High school.
I am assuming he is a good baseball coach, but from what i hear, he is very ethical.
<quoted text>
LMLL MOM

Los Angeles, CA

#32 Feb 27, 2010
No regrets wrote:
<Which minor b team was this and how about those Dodgers in minor b...care to comment?>
i beg to differ. my son played in Minor B last season. his coaches NEVER practiced fundamentals. it was show up to practice; stretch for 10 minutes; batting practice. and the coaches couldn't even throw strikes, so kids had to either take the pitch or swing at a bad ball. all the while with the knucklehead asst. coach yelling at them to 'stop being so picky.' brutal. my experience with my older son in lmba had been that the basics are emphasized and their are more knowledgeable coaches over there, IMO.
Which minor b team was this and how about those Dodgers in minor b last year...care to comment?
sandbaggers

Lakewood, CA

#33 Feb 28, 2010
Those Dodgers were the only team to beat the sandbag at tryouts Diamondbacks last year. Those coaches have moved on to Minor A now. This is were The Board needs to not allow bad coaches to continue coaching as well as those who cheat every year. The parents still need to take the position as their sons primary coach. You can only blame the coach on how he positions the kids on the field and in the line up. Some kids don't get it if they are not working on the fundamentals at home. Work with you child in addition to practices.
LMLL MOM wrote:
<quoted text> Which minor b team was this and how about those Dodgers in minor b last year...care to comment?
Bill bartel

Orange, CA

#34 Sep 2, 2010
goofy guy wrote:
I have done both and looking to change after being in Little League for a couple of years, been told that I should stay but I am looking for somebody to tell me the difference. Will be playing in Majors and I believe Bronco.
Piny ball steals bases and leads off, come to real ball and leave KIDDIE ball
Howdy

Whittier, CA

#35 Sep 3, 2010
Bill bartel wrote:
<quoted text> Piny ball steals bases and leads off, come to real ball and leave KIDDIE ball
Both leagues have their issues and neither is perfect. I was going to transition from PONY to LL this coming year but I think I'll just opt for travel ball if I can find a decent manager and team. In both leagues there is too much drama and manipulation. I'd swear I've seen it all in youth baseball but they manage to come up with new BS every year. And, all of the problems stem from the following reasons; Lack of leadership, lack of ethics, and lack of character.

As for the coach in LMLL Minor B that came over from PONY. I have known him for many years and he is the most ethical person I know. He wasn't kicked from PONY for any reason at all. In fact, over the last 3-4 years no manager has been banned from PONY. He is an excellent manager and had the help of a very knowledgeable coach. The other managers in that division thought he would tank based on the team he drafted but, they taught the kids well. You'd be very lucky to have your child coached by him. Very lucky indeed.
Howdy

Whittier, CA

#36 Sep 3, 2010
LMLL Dad wrote:
Does anyone at LMLL do reference checks with former leagues? Why did this former Pony manager leave there and come to LMLL? Problems? MAybe there is communication out there and he's on the up and up but, if not then our kids will suffer and that isn't fair.
I know we have a few former Pony managers and they have a few of our former LL managers. Guess it is fair trade. Bottom line though - favoritism doesn't help anybody - especially not the kids!
It's not so much a reference check as it is the leagues talking with each other....and they do discuss bouncing ball managers and coaches.

PONY also has a system where, if a manager or coach is banned from a league they must notify PONY so the names can be exchanged to other PONY leagues. Generally though, managers leave surrounding leagues before that happens and move on to pollute a neighboring league. On the other hand, some managers leave because the league they are in has poor leadership, ethics, and character.

If you're in La Mirada you should try both leagues out just to see how they both operate. Spend a couple seasons in PONY and do couple in LL and be your own judge. It's only a few months of your family's life and in the end will be very valuable.
Boy Howdy

Granada Hills, CA

#37 Sep 3, 2010
Howdy wrote:
<quoted text>
Both leagues have their issues and neither is perfect. I was going to transition from PONY to LL this coming year but I think I'll just opt for travel ball if I can find a decent manager and team. In both leagues there is too much drama and manipulation. I'd swear I've seen it all in youth baseball but they manage to come up with new BS every year. And, all of the problems stem from the following reasons; Lack of leadership, lack of ethics, and lack of character.
As for the coach in LMLL Minor B that came over from PONY. I have known him for many years and he is the most ethical person I know. He wasn't kicked from PONY for any reason at all. In fact, over the last 3-4 years no manager has been banned from PONY. He is an excellent manager and had the help of a very knowledgeable coach. The other managers in that division thought he would tank based on the team he drafted but, they taught the kids well. You'd be very lucky to have your child coached by him. Very lucky indeed.
As you mentioned you played at Pony last year. Regarding the manager you are talking about, no one thought his team would tank. In the draft there were players that the LL managers did not know that came over from Pony. When asked this manager didn't know anything about them and they didn't try out as well as they played once the games began. And they ended up on his team. Accident, maybe? Then an assistant that was going to manage a minor A team walked away from the team and ended up as his coach pick. The kid didn't belong in minor B. So he ended up with 2 top pitchers and a couple of unknown to LL players and that is all that is needed at this level. From day one his team was the team to beat with only one other team being even close in initial talent.

For controlling his coaches on the field he could have and should have put his assistant in his place early in the season. He will tell you that as well. This assistant is banned from LL now. This assistant was a problem all season arguing every umpire call and finally blowing up in the final game pushing an umpire. What did this coach teach the kids? Teaching 12 kids how to play the game is one thing but showing 72 kids how to act like a idiot during competition is not worth what you gain for the 12.

I understand the manager is a really good guy and is good with the kids but others see his actions or inactions and judge from them. How the teams coache and scorekeeper act put a bad taste in the mouths of others. The manager is resonsible for the action of all his coaches, players and parents during the games. Maybe he is being judged by the actions shown during the season by the team and not on his own merit.
Boy Howdy

Granada Hills, CA

#38 Sep 3, 2010
Bill bartel wrote:
<quoted text> Piny ball steals bases and leads off, come to real ball and leave KIDDIE ball
Correct, but does this make it a better game at this age. Everthing is a triple even a walk. Great game. By the way they steal in LL and the plays are a lot closer at 2nd base. More realistic to the real game. At 11/12 Pony pushes the based back to 70 feet making it a little better. Pony also pushes the mound back and allows a big barrel bat at this age making it more of a hitters games.

There are arguments for and against both. Which ever one you feel focusses on improving you Hitting, pitching and fielding skills the best is where you should play.
Will Murray Forrest Hills

Tampa, FL

#39 Mar 13, 2013
LBP wrote:
LITTLE LEAGUE in my judgment is better than Pony because Little League offers a better skills training through the age of 12, due of the kids not having to worry about all the runners leading off at such a short distance between bases. At the younger ages its hard enough just to pitch strikes than to worry about pick off moves. Plus the catcher doesn't even have enough time or in most instances the arm to throw any one who leads off on sixty or even seventy foot base paths. Although Little League may have a little harder time adjusting at ages 13-18 because they move to regulation baseball at 90 foot bases and 60 foot six inch pitching when pony stays at 80 foot bases until age 15. But I see that the Little League pics it up pretty fast.
Hahah are you serious?! This is exactly why PONY is better and more competitive. The kids have to think about all aspects of the game from earlier on.
Is it better to teach a kid a new language at 5, or 8? Duh!!
I played both and the talent level was waaaaay higher in Pony. The weakest pony team I ever played on would destroy the strongest little league Allstar team I played on.
I could pick off, and throw people out as a catcher in mustang (9-10), as well as many other kids.
The 2 hear progression of field sizes, and each age group moving up every 2 years is so much more transitional too. It also keeps an ongoing competition and respect going from rookie to veteran to rookie to veteran every other year.
PONY ball is by far better in every aspect, except for recognition.
Will Murray Forrest Hills

Tampa, FL

#40 Mar 13, 2013
Boy Howdy wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, but does this make it a better game at this age. Everthing is a triple even a walk. Great game. By the way they steal in LL and the plays are a lot closer at 2nd base. More realistic to the real game. At 11/12 Pony pushes the based back to 70 feet making it a little better. Pony also pushes the mound back and allows a big barrel bat at this age making it more of a hitters games.
There are arguments for and against both. Which ever one you feel focusses on improving you Hitting, pitching and fielding skills the best is where you should play.
Not stealing is closer to the real game?!? Hahah... What?! Really?!?

What about a fly ball or line out? The base runner has to get his ass back to the base!
The bases are 60' in Mustang because that's appropriate for most kids that age. Yes some kids will be too speedy, but most fit well.

The 2 year progression flows with the growth of the kids. Once kids hit 11/12 they are bigger stronger and faster and need a bigger field, thus the 70' bases of bronco level.
This is also why the LL World Series that is televised every year is such a laugh fest. 12-13 year old kids would be playing on MUCH larger fences in PONY league. At 11-12, kids are in Bronco which is a 225' fence, 70' bases, and 48' mound. Not the tiny 200' fence like LL that results in a continual HR derby.
And at 13-14 kids are Pony level (in PONY league), which is a 275' and 80' bases, 54' mound.
There is also a 15-16 age group called Colt which is a pro sized field, and 17-18 "palomino" that uses the same field. But Colt and palomino have more or less disbanded due to JV becoming more popular and of course Variaty HS ball...

Your comments are the very reason LL kids lack the talent of PONY players. "Plays are closer at second?" Not if the infielders practice turning double plays with speed and precision! And if someone is stealing second in the pros before the ball is hit, the infielders often don't go to second! Duhh!!!

Everything may be a triple due to errors in the LL your kid plays in. But by the time I was in mustang (full pro rules besides the little cheek flap on helmet and number of innings) there were very few errors. We had discipline to not throw the ball all over the place.

I remeber being a 1st year mustang player and making B all stars (only 2nd year guys made A). But our park decided to enter us into a Babe Ruth league all star tourney.(LL rules) We had to relearn the rules (no lead offs, steal after the ball crosses plate, smaller bats)...
It was laughable!! We destroyed every team by mercy rule and walked away with the championship. I actually felt bad for the other kids who were even a bit older than us. 11-13?

If you submerges your own kids in LL and PONY, you will instantly see the difference.
Will Murray Forrest Hills

Tampa, FL

#41 Mar 13, 2013
Colt and Palomino have disbanded due to JV and Varsity* highschool ball.

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