Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Dorn

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I have witnessed the happiness of two senior citizen men who where finally able to come out of the closet after the death of the wife of one of them. The man who had been married had a lesbian granddaughter.
That made me wonder if it was wise to continue to force the idea of only marriage of 'one man and one woman'. One of those could be gay. It would be better for society for gays to marry each other rather than marry straight partners and pass on whatever trait produces homosexuality. However if homosexuals want to raise their own children,(the instinct to be a parent is separate from sexual orientation). They should be allowed to adopt.
They hire a surrogate woman to bare their child. or use a sperm bank so one of them can be the biological mother.
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Dorn wrote:
I have witnessed the happiness of two senior citizen men who where finally able to come out of the closet after the death of the wife of one of them. The man who had been married had a lesbian granddaughter.
That made me wonder if it was wise to continue to force the idea of only marriage of 'one man and one woman'. One of those could be gay. It would be better for society for gays to marry each other rather than marry straight partners and pass on whatever trait produces homosexuality. However if homosexuals want to raise their own children,(the instinct to be a parent is separate from sexual orientation). They should be allowed to adopt.
They hire a surrogate woman to bare their child. or use a sperm bank so one of them can be the biological mother.
No one forced the queer to marry. He did that all on his own.
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Knotting Ham has a better sale then Windover does.
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Big Tony wrote:
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No one forced the queer to marry. He did that all on his own.


He married a straight because he could not legally marry the man he loved.
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stupid California Republican activists gathered for their spring convention 2013 at the state capital to try and revitalizing the sick party.

Talking Points;

1.) Republicans hold no statewide offices.

2.) They are weak in the Legislature against Democrats' two-thirds supermajority.

3.) They lost ground here in the 2012 congressional election.

4.) The state party is heavily in debt.

5.) Most if not all California voters HATE them.
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Dorn wrote:
<quoted text>He married a straight because he could not legally marry the man he loved.
How stupid does that sound, he married a straight because he couldn't marry a queer. Wow, how desperate is that? I wouldn't marry another guy just because I couldn't marry a woman that I loved. No one forced him to marry, let alone a woman that queers find repulsive. To fake his whole life!! You know he couldn't have been giving the love to the woman like she thought she would get, not even close. That's really pathetic.

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I have friends that are married that cannot have children, now you want to deny their rights as well?
What part of my statenent.....
The bottom line is sex between men and women makes babies.
.....was unclear, or false?
I also know an older couple who are getting married that have no intention of having children, now you want to deny their rights to marry as well?
Again what was unclear or false about that statement?
I didnít realize just how far you Prop 8 supporters were willing to go, to rip asunder millions of marriages even by straight people, or am I misunderstanding you and marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with having babies?
I think you mean conjugal marriages of husband and wife.
Because if it has nothing to do with having babies then we can dispense with that entire line of arguments.
Which is it?
1 Marriage is specifically only for people who are going to have babies
2 The intention of having babies has nothing to do with the right to marry
One or the other please and then we can continue to discuss this
Sigh..... marriage is about the sexes, both of them, what they do, have sex, and what that sex makes, babies. Not every marriage can, or will either have sex, and/or make babies. That doesn't change human reproduction and marriage as a societal means of regulating that, and sex between men and women. Men and women, regardless of procreational ability, and/or intention to have sexual relations, and have married. Why would it change now?
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What part of my statenent.....
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Again what was unclear or false about that statement?
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I think you mean conjugal marriages of husband and wife.
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Sigh..... marriage is about the sexes, both of them, what they do, have sex, and what that sex makes, babies. Not every marriage can, or will either have sex, and/or make babies. That doesn't change human reproduction and marriage as a societal means of regulating that, and sex between men and women. Men and women, regardless of procreational ability, and/or intention to have sexual relations, and have married. Why would it change now?
so what I have gathered here is that for you, marriage is only about making babies. Fortunately you donít get to define marriage for everyone else.

I have news for you, there are already too many babies in the world. I have some more news, many couples donít have children, I know quite a few people that married later in life, or second marriages that have no children from that marriage.

Are you belittling their marriages? Do you deem them less than other marriages? If you do, then I donít particularly care what you deem anymore.

Marriage is a commitment between 2 people, regardless if they will have children or not. You are opposed to this commitment in same sex circumstances, I am not. I believe this is the land of the free, where equality, freedom and justice trump religion, trump tradition, and certainly will trump the view of people that think only having children is what a marriage is all about.

I can tell you right now, children was not the reason I got married, and I would have married her regardless of if we would have children or not, and I donít particularly care what others thing of that.

Same with same sex couples, why should they care what you think?
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Dorn wrote:
I have witnessed the happiness of two senior citizen men who where finally able to come out of the closet after the death of the wife of one of them. The man who had been married had a lesbian granddaughter.
That made me wonder if it was wise to continue to force the idea of only marriage of 'one man and one woman'. One of those could be gay. It would be better for society for gays to marry each other rather than marry straight partners and pass on whatever trait produces homosexuality. However if homosexuals want to raise their own children,(the instinct to be a parent is separate from sexual orientation). They should be allowed to adopt.
They hire a surrogate woman to bare their child. or use a sperm bank so one of them can be the biological mother.
It would be more ideal if these two senior gays just stuck to blowing each other at the YMCA and kept to themselves. Sounds like YOU want a three-way with them, Dorn.

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He married a straight because he could not legally marry the man he loved.
He married his wife, not a "straight". He must have loved her on some level. The state recognized their marriage because it composition was no different than any other marriage of husband and wife.

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He married a woman because he couldn't marry a man???? His life is miserable so he wants to make someone else's life miserable and a lie. Really compassionate creatures.
LOL. Stupid on so many levels. First or all, judging all gay men based on the actions of one.
Second, it takes two to tango. The woman wasn't forced to marry him. Odds are she knew.
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No one forced the queer to marry. He did that all on his own.
Oh really? And you've never felt peer pressure to get married?
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He married his wife, not a "straight". He must have loved her on some level. The state recognized their marriage because it composition was no different than any other marriage of husband and wife.
P.s. I didnít mean to jump on your case earlier, but the whole "marriage is for making babies" argument just pisses me off. It could not be farther from the truth.

One of my daughters is incapable of having children for medical reasons, and to think anyone would belittle her marriage to her husband because "marriage is only about making babies" makes me what to hit someone... and I am a peaceful person... but go after my kids and the hair raises on the back of my neck.

I know that was not your intent, but there is a HUGE hole is the "marriage is for making babies" argument.

It is a lame excuse of an argument.

None of my children happen to be gay, but I would be fully supportive of any of them if they happened to be. I do have an extended family member that is gay, and she got married before prop 8 and is one of the 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California, and I applaud them and wish them well.
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He married a woman because he couldn't marry a man???? His life is miserable so he wants to make someone else's life miserable and a lie. Really compassionate creatures.
Yeah.... sort of like your wife....married to a closet queen.
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Yeah.... sort of like your wife....married to a closet queen.
wow mona, let me ask, how can a person who is content with their life be as vile as you...

oh right...
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wow mona, let me ask, how can a person who is content with their life be as vile as you...
oh right...
Oh I'M the vile one in this exchange, eh? So you prefer "go stick a dick up your ass and then suck the shit off it??" I see what kind of dirty girl you are now.... tsk, tsk, tsk
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Would you feel pier pressure and eat p:u:ss:y because of it? Stupid FAGG@T
pier pressure? Mkay..........
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Oh I'M the vile one in this exchange, eh? So you prefer "go stick a dick up your ass and then suck the shit off it??" I see what kind of dirty girl you are now.... tsk, tsk, tsk
yup.

are you actually trying to pretend I would write something like that?

you are VILE and a total FRAUD.
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Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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yup.
are you actually trying to pretend I would write something like that?
you are VILE and a total FRAUD.
The person I responded to wrote that to me.... and you jumped in to call me vile. See what happens in your manic zeal? But then you always did have a problem following the narrative. It must be murder for you in a courtroom.

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