Retail vacancies a drag on reinvigora...

Retail vacancies a drag on reinvigorating iconic L.B. street

There are 56 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from Oct 25, 2008, titled Retail vacancies a drag on reinvigorating iconic L.B. street. In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

Empty storefronts, including this one in the 500 block, dot Pine Avenue. Retailers such as Crate & Barrel, Oreck and Comic Book Guys have come and gone.

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DowntownsAFlop

Long Beach, CA

#46 Oct 26, 2008
The city might as well flush Pine avenue down the toilet. There are so many undesirables down there it's no wonder people don't feel safe to shop, eat and walk around. There are crazy homeless people caked in their own filth walking around in circles talking to imaginary people. Big groups of ballers wearing their gang colors staring each other down. Then I've seen the police try to move them along and the gangsters get mouthy and aggressive. Next thing you know the city will be sued for 10 million dollars for civil rights abuse.
Robert J G Jackson Sr

Long Beach, CA

#47 Oct 27, 2008
I agree strongly with the post about the need to enforce all the little laws. Jaywalking, etc. Part of the problem is the faulty thinking of the one person posted here who admits to thinking that his restaurant tab entitles him to walk illegally across the street against the sign. All the laws need to be enforced, especially since some people seem to have lost respect for the law.
Factoid

United States

#48 Oct 27, 2008
Girus wrote:
As I was passing by the 405 exit and Studebaker, I noticed a new sign with photos and tha tag line..."Long Beach...Many unique neighborhoods...One Great City."...Lighten up people, this isn't Balboa Island!
This may filp you out, but a number of decades back, Long Beach used to be quite a lot like Balboa Island.
There is virtually no Section 8 in Balboa. There is no Walmart in Balboa. It is safe to walk at night in Balboa because it is economically segregated in Balboa. If you can't pay, you can't play in Balboa.
They don't allow panhandling on the ferry.
If you try, the skipper will likely push you off the ferry, leaving you to ask seals for their fish.
This provides little incentive to continue, since Seals are well known conservatives.
They will insist that you get your own fish.
So the city reflects reality, instead of a liberal utopian multi-class, multicultural fantasy.
You work, you make a living, or you don't exist there.
Just ask one of their seals.
Dave in Alamitos Beach

Atlanta, GA

#49 Oct 27, 2008
Forget going after big retail, I don't think that's going to happen and I don't really think it's what people/residents want. People who live downtown want the little conveniences that everyone wants in their neighborhood, and the casual "tourist" wants something unique and out of the ordinary.

Honestly, it's shocking to hear that rents have gone up. Why? It's not like it brings in better or more tenants, it just chases them away. I would think Landlords would want to get ANY legal business in operation, no matter what - even if you have to give them two years free rent to get established.

But the main thing I would do, the absolute crux of the entire problem, is to pledge and commit to making Pine Avenue the "safest street in Southern California." It can be done with enough video cameras, neighborhood watches, homeless sweeps, police activity, etc. Sure it will just push the problem to Anaheim & PCH, but it's pushing it in the right direction I think.
Mr Hankie

El Dorado Hills, CA

#57 Oct 28, 2008
On the bright side, all the vacant storefronts should be a benefit to constant parade of film crews. With all the filming activity and street closures, downtown has turned into one massive, living, breathing Paramount Studios back lot.

Fewer open businesses make for fewer displaced and inconvenienced residents and employees relegated to second class citizenry. Way to turn lemons into lemonade!
blake

Lakewood, CA

#60 Oct 31, 2008
you need to see a shrink....
Ronald wrote:
Get Real. Post # 23.
Actually, although it is a truism that it costs decent women and men who smoke tobacco $Billions, in health care costs, the fact is that most health care costs are expended for the purpose of treating non smokers.
In fact, although not generally acknowledged, most deaths are those of non smokers. The radical anti smoker extremists may trick gullible non smokers into the belief that "smokers get ill" or that "smokers die" (for purposes of taxation and Governmental control only), but that is OK. If gullible people choose to deny their own mortality, all we decent women and men who smoke tobacco can do is to wish them "Good luck".
As far as "health care costing the taxpayers $Billions", isn't it time we get the Government out of the health care business? Its continual pumping in more and more taxpayer moneys into the medical industry is causing medical costs to soar.("Big surprise"!)
The more "help" the Government "gives" for health "care", the fewer of us who can afford it. Most of those health "care" costs are designed by the medical industry to loot the estates of the dying before the sleazy lawyers get their grubby hands on it anyway.
Ronald
Parent1

Hesperia, CA

#65 Nov 8, 2009
It is not safe on Pine and I would not even go near the area at night. Why waste time in that downtown slum. There are so many problems in Long Beach I would not even consider shopping or owning a business there. Why fight a battle you cannot win. There are so many nice cities to live and work. Its determined to be a poor area and thats just the way it is. Remember years ago when Sears left because the theft was so high in there store. Well, dirt been moved, buildings built but yet the problems are still there but only worse. To much crime, gangs, dirt to go there. The city says it will change but the empty stores tell the truth. You don't see the police shopping and eating there. No they are live, eat and spend outside Long Beach. There is a reason for this. The solution don't live, work or spent time there as it is a dangerous city and your things will get stolen. Look at the through the roof property crimes.
The Mad Man

Bellflower, CA

#66 Sep 6, 2010
It's all about the money Long Beach is trying to bring in and OBVIOUSLY they can not because of the businesses they are trying to attract and charge outrageous rents. No one can survive down there as has been seen.
The Mad Man

Bellflower, CA

#67 Sep 6, 2010
DowntownsAFlop wrote:
The city might as well flush Pine avenue down the toilet. There are so many undesirables down there it's no wonder people don't feel safe to shop, eat and walk around. There are crazy homeless people caked in their own filth walking around in circles talking to imaginary people. Big groups of ballers wearing their gang colors staring each other down. Then I've seen the police try to move them along and the gangsters get mouthy and aggressive. Next thing you know the city will be sued for 10 million dollars for civil rights abuse.
Very well done! I agree 100 percent. It is scary downtown.
Ray

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#68 Oct 13, 2010
As a former resident of downtown Long Beach. I had Pine Ave within 5 mins of my apt and never went.Why? Just not safe at night. After nearly being accosted in front of Rite Aid I moved out of area.I moved to Belmont Height area were my rent is 30 percent more but worth every dime. I can walk at night with out worry.I can park my car were there neighbors look out for you. So that's my view, Its just people dont feel safe on Pine.

Since: Apr 11

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#69 Apr 20, 2011
For all the problems...at least it's not Cerritos.

What kind of jungle is Cerritos?
Marge V

Bellflower, CA

#70 Apr 21, 2011
The Bike Lanes should help run more businesses out of Long Beach. Then more low income housing can be built to make downtown Long Beach into a Gang Theme Park so citizens who live in proud American Cities can see what happens when you elect nothing but twisted, leftwing lunatic Council Members who never even HAD a real job not funded by tax slaves before they were given the KEYS to the City.
Morris the Cat

Long Beach, CA

#71 Apr 21, 2011


I think Petula is a cutie but I have to disagree...
alamitos eric

Fountain Valley, CA

#72 Apr 21, 2011
Ray wrote:
As a former resident of downtown Long Beach. I had Pine Ave within 5 mins of my apt and never went.Why? Just not safe at night. After nearly being accosted in front of Rite Aid I moved out of area.I moved to Belmont Height area were my rent is 30 percent more but worth every dime. I can walk at night with out worry.I can park my car were there neighbors look out for you. So that's my view, Its just people dont feel safe on Pine.
During a delicious dinner at La Opera with my young neices and watching unparented uncivilized Gangsta trash parade right out side the window, screaming and cussing and threatening passersby. We stopped exposing ourselves to Pine Avenue after dark.

As I became more familiar with the way Long Beach "works" in City Hall I know that any one with property anywhere near downtown made a losing bet. Leftwing Lunatic Asylums don't make good substitutes for a City Gpvernment.

Go to a City Council meeting before your disagree. You will stunned at the obvious lack of "quality" of the people elected to determine the City's future.
Bob Lewis

Downey, CA

#73 Apr 22, 2011
Factoid wrote:
<quoted text>
This may filp you out, but a number of decades back, Long Beach used to be quite a lot like Balboa Island.
There is virtually no Section 8 in Balboa. There is no Walmart in Balboa. It is safe to walk at night in Balboa because it is economically segregated in Balboa. If you can't pay, you can't play in Balboa.
They don't allow panhandling on the ferry.
If you try, the skipper will likely push you off the ferry, leaving you to ask seals for their fish.
This provides little incentive to continue, since Seals are well known conservatives.
They will insist that you get your own fish.
So the city reflects reality, instead of a liberal utopian multi-class, multicultural fantasy.
You work, you make a living, or you don't exist there.
Just ask one of their seals.
To be fair to Long Beach, no city that is governed by union owned leftist mobs ever thrives and prospers. The voters chose to destroy Long Beach as a fit home for families. It was good for the govt employee unions and suicide for every one else.
Tom Trayner

Cerritos, CA

#75 Apr 22, 2011
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Marge V.
You make a good point. But this is not entirely the fault of the hard working tax paying minority. Following the 60s 70s revolution, the politicians implemented taxpayer funded social programs that drew ever more tax eaters into the city. These people includes the Government's taxpayer supported Thug people. This is the same tactic employed by politicians throughout the entire bankrupt State of California. The idea was that by creating a voting majority of tax eaters, the politicians could maintain themselves in power.
You are right about the naive prospective home buyers who might be tempted to get suckered into buying overpriced condominiums in the downtown area. As the population changes, and as Government housing policy results in ever more of its taxpayer supported Thug people "moving up" from Compton into downtown Long Beach, so too will "community standards" change. In addition, "owners" of Government controlled homes are sitting ducks for whenever the politicians will be able to inflict even more ruinous tax burdens on those "owners".
Since the revolution, the cops have been politicized leftward by revolutionary Council and agenda driven Government judges. After the change of "community standards" has been completed, its unlikely complaining about the Thug behavior of fellow condominium dwellers will be given very high priority by the cops.
Ronald
Once the Unions took over the State and Local Democratic Party the end was assured. They had to find politicians who were willing to sacrifice every thing and the quality of life for every one else to fund the never ending Union demands.

They really out did themselves to the point where now most every one else will have to leave the State for their families to prosper.

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