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Councilors mount opposition to Haymarket Wal-Mart

There are 120 comments on the Gainesville Times story from Oct 4, 2011, titled Councilors mount opposition to Haymarket Wal-Mart. In it, Gainesville Times reports that:

Haymarket Town Council members on Monday expressed a willingness to fight the the county harder on the prospect of a Wal-Mart Supercenter coming to the intersection of U.S. 15 and Route 55 than they previously did on other land disputes.

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Haymarket resident

Rockville, MD

#1 Oct 11, 2011
More traffic and congestion to an area that is not equipped to handle it.
Philip

Gainesville, VA

#2 Oct 12, 2011
We need the jobs & more industry to create tax revenue!
Dan

Herndon, VA

#3 Oct 12, 2011
The heralded tax revenue will not go to the Town of Haymarket seeing as the property is on county land. Haymarket police will indoubtedly be leveraged to control traffic and property crimes. Also, have you tried to use that intersection on weekends and rush hours as it is? I don't see any initiative to move Route 55 or 29 traffic away from that interchange.

Relating to traffic concerns: On the other side of the highway a new 150 bed hospital facility was approved as well
Philip

Gainesville, VA

#4 Oct 12, 2011
The "heralded" tax revenue will go to PWC where I live. Hence, it will most definitely greatly benefit PWC property owners! It will generate greater tax revenue that will help our schools, and all public services making PWC a even better place to live. Plus all the other benefits: new jobs, closer access to aggressively priced products, convenience, availability of a hugh variety of products and services that are very close. Ironically, had Disney not been stopped, all this would be moot and we would have a huge and friendly business here generating enormous opportunity and immense tax revenues, YET, instead, urban sprawl came in unchecked which creates a tremendous tax shortfall, resulting in much higher taxes hurting everyone.
Gainesville Mom

Gainesville, VA

#5 Oct 13, 2011
Philip wrote:
The "heralded" tax revenue will go to PWC where I live. Hence, it will most definitely greatly benefit PWC property owners! It will generate greater tax revenue that will help our schools, and all public services making PWC a even better place to live. Plus all the other benefits: new jobs, closer access to aggressively priced products, convenience, availability of a hugh variety of products and services that are very close. Ironically, had Disney not been stopped, all this would be moot and we would have a huge and friendly business here generating enormous opportunity and immense tax revenues, YET, instead, urban sprawl came in unchecked which creates a tremendous tax shortfall, resulting in much higher taxes hurting everyone.
I'm curious, are your taxes going up a lot? I moved here 5 years ago and ours are steady so I don't see a problem with the taxes here. I don't see Walmart being a benefit tax wise versus the huge problems it will create with traffic.
Philip

Gainesville, VA

#6 Oct 14, 2011
Gainesville Mom wrote:
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I'm curious, are your taxes going up a lot? I moved here 5 years ago and ours are steady so I don't see a problem with the taxes here. I don't see Walmart being a benefit tax wise versus the huge problems it will create with traffic.
I just moved here from Fauquier County where the taxes are MUCH lower!
Gainesville Mom

Gainesville, VA

#7 Oct 15, 2011
Philip wrote:
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I just moved here from Fauquier County where the taxes are MUCH lower!
From there to here I can understand why your taxes have gone up (but I hear our water is much lower). But personally, I'd rather drive to Manassas or Warrenton to get to a Walmart (on the rare occasion I go there) than to have them clogging up traffic even worse around here.
Philip

Gainesville, VA

#8 Oct 16, 2011
Gainesville Mom wrote:
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From there to here I can understand why your taxes have gone up (but I hear our water is much lower). But personally, I'd rather drive to Manassas or Warrenton to get to a Walmart (on the rare occasion I go there) than to have them clogging up traffic even worse around here.
I had a well so water cost me nothing. I'd rather have a greater commercial tax base as to avoid huge tax increase and have more money for our schools and services. Again, we must pay the price for PWC refusing to allow Disney in. disney, would would of been a great neighbor, was going to contribute substantial funds for infrastructure improves to avoid traffic problems . Plus, 60 million had been pledged by the state to provide also for infrastructure improvements. It was the wealthy residents of Middleburg who stopped Disney. Now , we have to pay. Furthermore, Warrento had all the same arguments and fears. None of it happened. Wal-Mart in Warrenton has contributed greatly to the area in many ways, and not one complaint of traffic or anything else. The fact that you drive to Warrenton to go to Wal-Mart proves it brings money and hence jobs to an area. Plus, interesting, you said you drive to Warrenton to go to Wal-Mart , yet no mention of how bad traffic is there. You have effectively negated your concerns , and argument. Lastly, I will let you tell
Gainesville Mom

Gainesville, VA

#9 Oct 17, 2011
I don't think traffic in Warrenton is bad at all. I have never been in a traffic jam there. Occasionally in the county portion on Lee Hwy but never in Warrenton (and I go to Warrenton area at least once a week). But... I go through the intersection where they want to put Walmart in Haymarket more than once a week and had to wait through 2 or more light cycles to get through. And that is on a Saturday or a weekday afternoon. Imagine adding in 800+ more cars in there and it will get hugely worse. Plus Walmart in Warrenton seems to be in a more industrial or open space area. The one proposed in Haymarket is in an area with houses not too far away and not in a space that is as open. Big difference in the area where they want to build.

If they wanted to build Walmart where the roads could handle the traffic and where the area isn't already overcrowded, it would be fine. But that intersection is not the right place.

As for my shopping, I probably go to Walmart 3 times a year, max. It's just not a store I frequent.
Wvyen

Clinton, MD

#10 Oct 26, 2011
What is wrong with you people? Last time I checked my home is valued 40% less than what I paid for it. Walmart is going to bring jobs and revenue to the area that we desperately need. I am a sales rep that will call on that store, the extra income I make WILL go to he town of Haymarket and I am one hundreds that will make the same contribution. It is going to create 350 Walmart jobs, and the extra man power the distributors will need to recruit will go service that store will generate extra money and tax revenue as well. You can not keep Walmart out because you are concerned with traffic, Haymarket needs traffic! If that is the argument, just shut down ALL development in the area, go forbid the town grow!

I could honestly care less about the small businesses that will definitely close. Walmart is great at what they do, they find the best price, at whatever cost and save us money. If the local retailers are over charging for their goods and services then I don't need them.
Hymkt Mom

Sterling Heights, MI

#11 Dec 10, 2011
Gainesville Mom wrote:
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I'm curious, are your taxes going up a lot? I moved here 5 years ago and ours are steady so I don't see a problem with the taxes here. I don't see Walmart being a benefit tax wise versus the huge problems it will create with traffic.
Your property taxes have not been going up for the 5 years you've lived here? Maybe I'm doing something wrong then. My home value as decreased significantly, but I am still paying the same $$ every year for my taxes. Which means that the tax rate has been going up.

All this Wal Mart will do is increase traffic and create low paying jobs. The 66/29/15 intersection area is chocked during rush hour and it will only get worse. No Wal Mart for Haymarket, please!
Gainesville Mom

Gainesville, VA

#12 Dec 11, 2011
My taxes are pretty much the same. Yes, my house value has gown way down but the taxes are roughly the same amount. I wasn't referring to the tax vs value equation.

I totally agree, though, no WalMart in this area!
NoHaymarketWalMa rt

Washington, DC

#13 Dec 15, 2011
I've conducted an informal poll while doing business around Gainesville and Haymarket and found that a large majority of local residents don't believe we need a Wal Mart. It seems that the people that want it don't live in the area. And of course there are those that are apathetic and don't really care how development and land use unfolds. I've observed that infrastructure improvements necessitated by developments such as the Wal Mart center are always an afterthought. As if urban planners and transportation engineers can't reasonably anticipate what is going to happen when the County allows this type of thing to occur. Of course we know what is going to happen- traffic will become unmanageable to the point where public funds must be devoted to increase capacity. At that point Wal Mart and the others developing that area will not be asked to share in the costs. We should ask why there aren't more proactive efforts to force developers to contribute up front to infrastructure improvements. If they want to build here we should consider innovative land use policies. We could require landscape design that provides shade, reduces visual impact and light pollution at night. We could mandate permeable parking surfaces and "green" roofing surfaces to reduce peak stormwater flows. We could ask the company to provide park and ride spots for commuters and to pay for enhanced public transport in the area, and the like. We have a very attractive area and consequently we have the opportunity get things right and be forward thinking before we allow development and traffic to get out of hand the ways it has in so many other nearby areas. This doesn't have to be an adversarial process if we have the local leadership and creativity to partner with the developers that want to do business here. We don't have to accept the same old architecture and design, nor do we need to accept the flawed 'development first, and required infrastructure improvements second' approach.
Joe

Herndon, VA

#14 Dec 20, 2011
Congestion in this area is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Remember just a couple short years ago when Rt 15 north of 66 was one lane each way? It was a disaster then and even with the additional lanes it's still terrible. How will a Wal-Mart, Kohl's, and whatever else affect the 66/55/15 interchange? I'm sure horribly.

Until we can get a cloverleaf interchange for 66/15 and some major improvements at 55/15, things are going to be rough, with or without a Wal-Mart. Considering these kinds of improvements probably won't happen for the next 5 years, I'd say get ready for some long-term pain.
NoHaymarketWalMa rt

Washington, DC

#15 Dec 20, 2011
I do have to wonder why there isn't more coverage of this matter in the Gainesville paper and more discussion publicly in Haymarket. It seems that that this development is going to have a deletirious effect on our quality of life for most local residents and particularly on small business owners of Haymarket. Why aren't more people engaged on this issue especially the Haymarket city leaders? We've all watched as big box stores and strip malls have killed small towns like Haymarket by building just outside the city limits. We've all seen small business close and public services erode as storefronts go dark and business and operations taxes disappear. I wouldn't argue that change and development is a bad thing, but it must be done in a way that respects the character and lifeways of the local area, not to mention the desires of local residents. Wal Mart has taken a generic approach in failing to show that respect, and has contributed to a negative chain of events across the nation. If it is no longer possible to stop the Wal Mart development, then Haymarket should do everything in it's power to preserve the integrity of the business environment, infrastructure and public services that exist here. Wal Mart should pay to support any improvements and other costs related to their moving here. Some examples may include police for traffic control, improved lighting and signage, traffic signals, turn lanes, fire and EMS coverage. Another idea may be to mandate that Wal Mart pays for enhanced Metro Direct bus service from their parking area to West Falls Church Metro. They could also subsidize local bus services to allow customers and commuters inress/egress via mass transit from other remote locations and Gainesville town center.
GainesvilleRes

Fairfax, VA

#16 Dec 21, 2011
FYI: Prince William County approved the Super Walmart as well as a Khol's for the 15/55 center. The debate can continue online but at the end of the day none of what is debated really matters because Walmart is officially coming.
Anon

Gainesville, VA

#17 Dec 21, 2011
NoHaymarketWalMart wrote:
I do have to wonder why there isn't more coverage of this matter in the Gainesville paper and more discussion publicly in Haymarket. It seems that that this development is going to have a deletirious effect on our quality of life for most local residents and particularly on small business owners of Haymarket. Why aren't more people engaged on this issue especially the Haymarket city leaders? We've all watched as big box stores and strip malls have killed small towns like Haymarket by building just outside the city limits. We've all seen small business close and public services erode as storefronts go dark and business and operations taxes disappear. I wouldn't argue that change and development is a bad thing, but it must be done in a way that respects the character and lifeways of the local area, not to mention the desires of local residents. Wal Mart has taken a generic approach in failing to show that respect, and has contributed to a negative chain of events across the nation. If it is no longer possible to stop the Wal Mart development, then Haymarket should do everything in it's power to preserve the integrity of the business environment, infrastructure and public services that exist here. Wal Mart should pay to support any improvements and other costs related to their moving here. Some examples may include police for traffic control, improved lighting and signage, traffic signals, turn lanes, fire and EMS coverage. Another idea may be to mandate that Wal Mart pays for enhanced Metro Direct bus service from their parking area to West Falls Church Metro. They could also subsidize local bus services to allow customers and commuters inress/egress via mass transit from other remote locations and Gainesville town center.
That's bc the majority of folks/residents here are apathetic - until Walmart has arrived and it's too late. I have tried, but there is simply insufficient interest. Just look at the petition: https://www.change.org/petitions/the-prince-w... . People think that it will bring more jobs (for primarily high schoolers and senior citizens); what about the jobs/businesses that will suffer? Typically Ma & pa stores go out of business around walmart. Even Target will be impacted. And what about the crime? Recall the crime occurring at walmarts nationwide on black friday? something to look forward to...
At least the local authorities should force walmart to pay for road improvements so that public funds don't have to be used. The more responsible action would be to review its approval of walmart. Someone needs to get their ear or life as we know it here will go downhill.
Homeowner in Haymarket

Clinton, MD

#18 Dec 24, 2011
Yes I am a tax-paying, homeowner in Haymarket and I like the idea of a Walmart close by. I think that the once-a-year black Friday defense for not having a Walmart is ridiculous. I would love not to have to jump on the oh-so crowded 66 to go to Walmart. We all run to Walmart but somehow having it close by will make life as we know it go downhill? I think that we fool ourselves pretending that we don't shop at Walmart by saying that it's okay somewhere else but I, for one, will be thankful for the short drive to Walmart and hope that BECAUSE it is here, it will be a nicer Walmart that we, the people of Haymarket/Gainesville, will frequent, therefore insisting that the standards are kept high. How many of us trek out of town wasting gas and time? We all do. Please give me an example of ma and pa stores that we frequent that will be effected by having a Walmart. Yes the revenue will benefit PWC public schools where our children are currently in overcrowded classrooms and that, alone is reason enough.
Gainesville Mom

Gainesville, VA

#19 Dec 29, 2011
Homeowner, I rarely travel down 66 to go to Walmart. In fact, I may shop there twice a year. To me, that is just not worth the traffic hassle that the store will create 365 days of the year.
Nathanael Snow

Clinton, MD

#20 Dec 30, 2011
If a new ballet studio wanted to open business in Haymarket would it be right to prevent it from opening because there is already a dance studio in town? It might hurt the business of the existing studio, and it might congest the town parade with (yet another) troup of kids in uniforms.
Who has a right to prevent them from opening?
But suppose the existing studio proposed a merger, bought out the new venture, and protected its business? Would that be right or wrong?
Suppose you wanted to buy an item at auction, but someone else placed a higher bid, what could you do?
You could bid higher.
All the argument about Walmart presupposes that it is right to use political means to prevent a business action. But it is not.
If people are so opposed to Walmart let them put their money where their mouths are and buy out the parcel, and put in a park or whatever they prefer.
The land has productive value, and it will be put to use. It will be put to the most productive use if left to a market process. Once politics sets in it will by definition be put to a less productive use.
That some will be inconvenienced is just too bad. Many others will be made better off, or Walmart will not be a success.
Now, if any business receives tax subsidies or other favors from local tax-bases, then there are other problems.
Bottom line: markets work. Don't get in the way. Put your money where your mouth is. No whining.

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