School Taxes Central Square

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guss12

Syracuse, NY

#1 Sep 5, 2008
Anyone see there new school tax $250 raise, 11.7% I guess that 7.97 I voted no on was nonsense. Was explained that star program was reduced. We need to go to the board meetings and voice our mistrust. When retired teachers are making more than an average persons wage something is upside down. Need to cap this crazyness now before the people in the square start staving.
Teacher Supporter

Clyde, NY

#2 Sep 25, 2008
Quite honestly, I think you need to do a little more research before spouting off without comprehending all of the facts.

Please consider these facts below before you make any more comments....

The previous superintendent of schools did not raise taxes for several years so as to appear as the "hero" to the community. The result of this gross mismanagement was that the school district was left with huge financial issues...operating in the red.

The current superintendent was left to make substantial cuts to the budget and still raise taxes just to keep the district a float.

There is a common general statement made that teachers are overpaid, have too many days off and only work half of a year. Here are some facts about teachers that you most likely do not know. In the Central Square district, teachers are buying with their personal incomes, a considerable portion of the supplies for their classrooms. Elementary teachers have gone as far as to use their personal incomes to purchase winter coats for some of the poorer students in their classrooms. All of the parties that students have in their classrooms are funded by either students bringing in supplies or the teachers paying for it out of their personal incomes.

I am not a teacher, but I am married to a teacher within the Central Square District. From our personal family income during calendar year 2007, we spent roughly $2,000 towards materials, supplies and clothing for needy students and so on. The federal government allows us to deduct on our taxes of $250. We are personally funding a portion of your child's education out of our pocket and we don't even live in the district!

You complain that teachers make more in retirement that the average working person's wage. You need to understand that NY State requires that teachers hold a Master's degree. If you are going to make yet another unsubstantiated statement about teachers making more than the average person's wage, does the average person that you reference hold a Masters degree like the teachers that you are comparing them to? If not, you are comparing apples and oranges. If you are comparing teachers wages to the guy that sells gas at the Nice-N-Easy, who successfully completed the 6th grade...you are even more out of touch that I previously gave you credit for.

Teacher’s wages are so far below the level of comparable education levels for other trades, it is depressing. 99% of the teachers that fill the classrooms of schools across the country are not in that occupation to get rich...they are there for the love of teaching and working with children.
Teacher Supporter

Clyde, NY

#3 Sep 25, 2008
If you had to spend a day in a classroom with some of the students that exist in today's schools, the average person would agree that the teachers are grossly underpaid.

On top of all of the other governing restrictions that teachers need to deal with (like the disaster of “no child left behind”), they get people like you in the community that spout off with half-truths and just flat-out wrong information and treat it as though it is gospel.

You say that teacher’s wages need to be capped before people in the "Square" start starving. You go right ahead and seek out a cap on teacher's salaries. I actually hope they do cap them. When ALL of the teachers leave the profession as a result of your “solution” and the schools are left empty, you and your brain-trust following can figure out how to educate the children.

Furthermore, teacher’s retirement packages are partially funded by the teachers themselves contributing 3% of their wages to a State retirement system. The contributions are invested and gain equity until the teachers retire...at which point the teachers draw from the system.

Before you go to the board and complain, why don't you go to the New York State Education department and ask them why they are cutting funding to schools? Go to the root of the problem.

Try to understand this through your narrow way of thinking...if you don't support a war, do you blame the soldiers fighting on the front lines or do you blame the governmental body that put them in that position in the first place?
lorih42

Oswego, NY

#4 Oct 24, 2008
Thank you for your overview of what teaching is REALLY like.
Teacher Supporter wrote:
Quite honestly, I think you need to do a little more research before spouting off without comprehending all of the facts.
Please consider these facts below before you make any more comments....
The previous superintendent of schools did not raise taxes for several years so as to appear as the "hero" to the community. The result of this gross mismanagement was that the school district was left with huge financial issues...operating in the red.
The current superintendent was left to make substantial cuts to the budget and still raise taxes just to keep the district a float.
There is a common general statement made that teachers are overpaid, have too many days off and only work half of a year. Here are some facts about teachers that you most likely do not know. In the Central Square district, teachers are buying with their personal incomes, a considerable portion of the supplies for their classrooms. Elementary teachers have gone as far as to use their personal incomes to purchase winter coats for some of the poorer students in their classrooms. All of the parties that students have in their classrooms are funded by either students bringing in supplies or the teachers paying for it out of their personal incomes.
I am not a teacher, but I am married to a teacher within the Central Square District. From our personal family income during calendar year 2007, we spent roughly $2,000 towards materials, supplies and clothing for needy students and so on. The federal government allows us to deduct on our taxes of $250. We are personally funding a portion of your child's education out of our pocket and we don't even live in the district!
You complain that teachers make more in retirement that the average working person's wage. You need to understand that NY State requires that teachers hold a Master's degree. If you are going to make yet another unsubstantiated statement about teachers making more than the average person's wage, does the average person that you reference hold a Masters degree like the teachers that you are comparing them to? If not, you are comparing apples and oranges. If you are comparing teachers wages to the guy that sells gas at the Nice-N-Easy, who successfully completed the 6th grade...you are even more out of touch that I previously gave you credit for.
Teacher’s wages are so far below the level of comparable education levels for other trades, it is depressing. 99% of the teachers that fill the classrooms of schools across the country are not in that occupation to get rich...they are there for the love of teaching and working with children.
Steve22

Clyde, NY

#5 Nov 21, 2008
Hey guss12, you were so outspoken before...don't you have any response to support your views?

I would love to hear more of your logic as to why you feel that teachers are not entitiled to a competitive wage that is comparable to other levels of education like Teacher Supporter stated.

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