Fire the teachers? When schools fail, it may work

Full story: Brattleboro Reformer

When all the teachers were fired from Central Falls High School last week in a sweeping effort at school reform, their superintendent gave them a taste of the accountability President Barack Obama says is necessary.
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Kinda Old

Waterville, ME

#1 Mar 5, 2010
I'd like to see them all fired at BUHS, especially the Special Ed. I still have a teen at home.
Joe

Chester, VT

#2 Mar 6, 2010
It's a scam.
The boomers will sue for age discrimination which is probably behind it all, they can make a killing screwing the taxpayers some more and blame Obomba.
Suzy Somebody

Worcester, VT

#3 Mar 6, 2010
It would be fun to find things on their facebooks to fire them for. Public embarrassment helps to ward off lawsuits!
SadlyWellInforme d

North Richland Hills, TX

#4 Mar 13, 2010
Obviously few of you have ever worked in education.

At the workplace, your children come to school without their homework, complete no classwork, dress like hoodlums, behave violently. A little something they learned at home?

Very often teachers are threatened, hit, punched, sworn at, stalked, etc. How often does that happen to you at work...every day? How long would you be ocmpelled to take it because they are juveniles? Yet they are the products of your homes and your values of your upbringing of your neighborhoods....

Every year teachers have ever changing classroom lists because you are always moving and not paying the rent. Sometimes a teacher can have one hundred new and lost students every year. They move, get arrested, get killed, are on the run, or are hiding in safe houses provided by the gang.

Perhaps it is society that needs serious reform and not the educational system or the teachers. They are in many cases the most educated, tenacious and dedicated group of professionals yet also the most maligned when the financial system crashes.

Who is starting the fights and selling the drugs in your neighborhoods? The teachers? Or your children?

Who is carrying the weapons and slashing each other? The teachers or your children?

And is Facebook your only defense? Pitiful.

Get a real job...become a teacher where you can be threatened by the students, their families and the public. It has certainly and sadly been an eye-opening experience.

I thought persecuting educators ended after WWII.
Unfortuantely it continues. Shame on you all.
I Vote Vermont

Brattleboro, VT

#5 Mar 13, 2010
SadlyWellInformed wrote:
Obviously few of you have ever worked in education.
At the workplace, your children come to school without their homework, complete no classwork, dress like hoodlums, behave violently. A little something they learned at home?
Very often teachers are threatened, hit, punched, sworn at, stalked, etc. How often does that happen to you at work...every day? How long would you be ocmpelled to take it because they are juveniles? Yet they are the products of your homes and your values of your upbringing of your neighborhoods....
Every year teachers have ever changing classroom lists because you are always moving and not paying the rent. Sometimes a teacher can have one hundred new and lost students every year. They move, get arrested, get killed, are on the run, or are hiding in safe houses provided by the gang.
Perhaps it is society that needs serious reform and not the educational system or the teachers. They are in many cases the most educated, tenacious and dedicated group of professionals yet also the most maligned when the financial system crashes.
Who is starting the fights and selling the drugs in your neighborhoods? The teachers? Or your children?
Who is carrying the weapons and slashing each other? The teachers or your children?
And is Facebook your only defense? Pitiful.
Get a real job...become a teacher where you can be threatened by the students, their families and the public. It has certainly and sadly been an eye-opening experience.
I thought persecuting educators ended after WWII.
Unfortuantely it continues. Shame on you all.
What you have demonstrated is exactly the problem with our educational system. Teachers claim that it is all the parents fault and the public retaliates that it is all the schools fault. I would like to point out that the teachers are the ones with the educational degrees. Parents are not required to have a degree. Teachers choose their
proffession of their own free will, while students are mandated to be in their classrooms.
SadlyWellInforme d

North Richland Hills, TX

#6 Mar 13, 2010
I Vote Vermont wrote:
<quoted text>What you have demonstrated is exactly the problem with our educational system. Teachers claim that it is all the parents fault and the public retaliates that it is all the schools fault. I would like to point out that the teachers are the ones with the educational degrees. Parents are not required to have a degree. Teachers choose their
proffession of their own free will, while students are mandated to be in their classrooms.
Teachers are taught the science of teaching. They are not miracle workers, social workers, boxers, police officers, counselors, parole officers, parents of criminals, etc. They are certifed to teach those willing, eager and prepared and ready to learn.

I have been asked to search for the student with the gun in the caf, locate gang members, and break up fights between gang members. I am not a police officer with handcuffs. Then I am asked to write an incident report knowing the student will be back in my classroom next week with his thugs following throughout the building. There was one student coming to my classroom with a gun because I asked him to read in class the previous week. My fault?

Perhaps parents should have education in parenting as they have chosen or denied their own parenthood.

Blaming teachers for the violent ills of our society is ridiculous. That is like blaming the police for the violence on the streets.

Teachers are on the front lines every day. In high school they may see a student for 40 minutes every day IF the student is in class, in school and not in the streets or locked up, not walking the halls dealing and monitoring his home boys.

I have worked with the most violent and even the gang members would never have the audacity to blame their teachers for their lack of wanting a formal education. Most of the time they freely admitted it was their own fault or that of their family members (parents, uncles, cousins) who brought them up in the gang life. Not one of them blamed us, the teachers.

And exactly what is your personal experience in an urban educational environment?
I Vote Vermont

Brattleboro, VT

#7 Mar 13, 2010
SadlyWellInformed wrote:
<quoted text>
Teachers are taught the science of teaching. They are not miracle workers, social workers, boxers, police officers, counselors, parole officers, parents of criminals, etc. They are certifed to teach those willing, eager and prepared and ready to learn.
I have been asked to search for the student with the gun in the caf, locate gang members, and break up fights between gang members. I am not a police officer with handcuffs. Then I am asked to write an incident report knowing the student will be back in my classroom next week with his thugs following throughout the building. There was one student coming to my classroom with a gun because I asked him to read in class the previous week. My fault?
Perhaps parents should have education in parenting as they have chosen or denied their own parenthood.
Blaming teachers for the violent ills of our society is ridiculous. That is like blaming the police for the violence on the streets.
Teachers are on the front lines every day. In high school they may see a student for 40 minutes every day IF the student is in class, in school and not in the streets or locked up, not walking the halls dealing and monitoring his home boys.
I have worked with the most violent and even the gang members would never have the audacity to blame their teachers for their lack of wanting a formal education. Most of the time they freely admitted it was their own fault or that of their family members (parents, uncles, cousins) who brought them up in the gang life. Not one of them blamed us, the teachers.
And exactly what is your personal experience in an urban educational environment?
You can leave your job if you are not happy.
SadlyWellInforme d

Salem, AL

#9 Mar 13, 2010
Obviously the question was too difficult for the uninformed.

Unfortunately for the teachers remaining on the front lines, it is challenging to deal with the student population...but dealing with the uninformed adults is sheer ignorance.

Teachers do a job that most citizens wouldn't tolerate for 5 minutes. If you aren not happy with the quality of teachers in your area, you are free to take their place.
I Vote Vermont

Brattleboro, VT

#10 Mar 13, 2010
SadlyWellInformed wrote:
Obviously the question was too difficult for the uninformed.
Unfortunately for the teachers remaining on the front lines, it is challenging to deal with the student population...but dealing with the uninformed adults is sheer ignorance.
Teachers do a job that most citizens wouldn't tolerate for 5 minutes. If you aren not happy with the quality of teachers in your area, you are free to take their place.
Why would anyone remain in a situation that is so obviously making them unhappy? Martyrs need not apply. This is a free country and you are free to and encouraged retire before it becomes necessary to dismiss you from the classroom.
I Vote Vermont

Brattleboro, VT

#11 Mar 13, 2010
Your solution is to ask that the few remaining proficient and above average students in your failing school district move to another district so that you can keep your job?
Skeptic

Groton, MA

#12 Mar 14, 2010
What the State and federal governments have brought to education, and the postal service, Obmama wants to bring to healthcare. Almost all government run systems are in a state of impending failure, and Obmama wants to now crush healthcare, all the while, taxing the working middle class into poverty.

http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/

There is a free ebook on the above URL, any opinions?
I Vote Vermont wrote:
<quoted text>What you have demonstrated is exactly the problem with our educational system. Teachers claim that it is all the parents fault and the public retaliates that it is all the schools fault. I would like to point out that the teachers are the ones with the educational degrees. Parents are not required to have a degree. Teachers choose their
proffession of their own free will, while students are mandated to be in their classrooms.
Skeptic

Groton, MA

#13 Mar 14, 2010
If I had a bright child, in a class that included 'mainstreamed' malcontents, I'd move that child out of that school so fast, their heads would spin.

I've heard frustrated teachers, unable to teach a coherent class due to mainstreamed trouble makers included in the class. What's the point?
I Vote Vermont wrote:
Your solution is to ask that the few remaining proficient and above average students in your failing school district move to another district so that you can keep your job?
I Vote Vermont

Stowe, VT

#14 Mar 14, 2010
Skeptic wrote:
If I had a bright child, in a class that included 'mainstreamed' malcontents, I'd move that child out of that school so fast, their heads would spin.
I've heard frustrated teachers, unable to teach a coherent class due to mainstreamed trouble makers included in the class. What's the point?
<quoted text>
The point being that if we do not offer school choice, then we must fire incompetent teachers. Students locked into a system that is not working for whatever reason become a problem. If you are going to lock a student in, then you must provide the best teachers that you can afford to teach to them. Remember, most families are locked into a district due to financial/job related issues. I am sure that a lot of students would jump at the chance to go to the Career center or Pioneer Valley, but their parents cannot afford housing outside of Winchester. Give these students from failing schools vouchers or give their teachers the big boot!

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#15 Mar 14, 2010
Get rid of all teachers unions..period
Mike Mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#16 Mar 14, 2010
SadlyWellInformed wrote:
Obviously few of you have ever worked in education.
At the workplace, your children come to school without their homework, complete no classwork, dress like hoodlums, behave violently. A little something they learned at home?
Very often teachers are threatened, hit, punched, sworn at, stalked, etc. How often does that happen to you at work...every day? How long would you be ocmpelled to take it because they are juveniles? Yet they are the products of your homes and your values of your upbringing of your neighborhoods....
Every year teachers have ever changing classroom lists because you are always moving and not paying the rent. Sometimes a teacher can have one hundred new and lost students every year. They move, get arrested, get killed, are on the run, or are hiding in safe houses provided by the gang.
Perhaps it is society that needs serious reform and not the educational system or the teachers. They are in many cases the most educated, tenacious and dedicated group of professionals yet also the most maligned when the financial system crashes.
Who is starting the fights and selling the drugs in your neighborhoods? The teachers? Or your children?
Who is carrying the weapons and slashing each other? The teachers or your children?
And is Facebook your only defense? Pitiful.
Get a real job...become a teacher where you can be threatened by the students, their families and the public. It has certainly and sadly been an eye-opening experience.
I thought persecuting educators ended after WWII.
Unfortuantely it continues. Shame on you all.
It is natural product with living in such a poor employment area...income, benefits and employees right. It is complete income and dignity depravation.

You get the same talk in our ghettoes...we live in ghettoes with pretty scenery!

Double the income and benefits of the bottom half and this would all clear out.

Yep, and all the business owner winter over in Florida!
I Vote Vermont

Stowe, VT

#17 Mar 14, 2010
Mike Mulligan wrote:
<quoted text>
It is natural product with living in such a poor employment area...income, benefits and employees right. It is complete income and dignity depravation.
You get the same talk in our ghettoes...we live in ghettoes with pretty scenery!
Double the income and benefits of the bottom half and this would all clear out.
Yep, and all the business owner winter over in Florida!
Her teacher's license is good throught the entire state, not just in the war zones. If she is not up to the task then it is time to move on. What you say Mike is that nothing good has ever come out of poverty. How about Jesus Christ, Jonh Paul 2, Mother Teheresa, Abraham Lincoln, Dolly Parton, Joe Dimaggio and many more.
Suzy Somebody

South Burlington, VT

#18 Mar 14, 2010
SadlyWellInformed wrote:
Obviously few of you have ever worked in education.
At the workplace, your children come to school without their homework, complete no classwork, dress like hoodlums, behave violently. A little something they learned at home?
Very often teachers are threatened, hit, punched, sworn at, stalked, etc. How often does that happen to you at work...every day? How long would you be ocmpelled to take it because they are juveniles? Yet they are the products of your homes and your values of your upbringing of your neighborhoods....
Every year teachers have ever changing classroom lists because you are always moving and not paying the rent. Sometimes a teacher can have one hundred new and lost students every year. They move, get arrested, get killed, are on the run, or are hiding in safe houses provided by the gang.
Perhaps it is society that needs serious reform and not the educational system or the teachers. They are in many cases the most educated, tenacious and dedicated group of professionals yet also the most maligned when the financial system crashes.
Who is starting the fights and selling the drugs in your neighborhoods? The teachers? Or your children?
Who is carrying the weapons and slashing each other? The teachers or your children?
And is Facebook your only defense? Pitiful.
Get a real job...become a teacher where you can be threatened by the students, their families and the public. It has certainly and sadly been an eye-opening experience.
I thought persecuting educators ended after WWII.
Unfortuantely it continues. Shame on you all.
The shame is on you.

My husband and I struggled very hard to raise our kids to have good values, respect for authority figures, etc. We disciplined in nonviolent ways, but it didn't matter. TEACHERS and other school stff bullied us, harangued us, blamed by railroading us at meetings, used the Child Protective System to chase and harass us because we dared to discipline our kids at all, screamed at us and terrorized because we would not DRUG UP our boys to make them act like girls for a convenient classroom. How are we supposed to teach our kids to behave in the classroom when YOU EDUCATORS teach our kids that even the most most benign forms of discipline is child maltreatment, when you teach them to disrespect good, struggling parents and 'stand up' to those parents so they can get their own way? We are then supposed to turn around and train them to behave for you? I have noticed that the more emphasis that has been placed on DRUGGING kids to get good behavior, the worse the problems of their behavior has become. I HOPE ALL OF YOU GET FIRED AND HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T pAY YOUR RENT!
Suzy Somebody

South Burlington, VT

#20 Mar 14, 2010
Vance1 wrote:
Get rid of all teachers unions..period
Oh, this would be a wonderful first step. I hope that somehow it can happen. And get rid of that horrible tenure system, too.
Wow

Portland, MI

#21 Mar 15, 2010
Suzy Somebody wrote:
<quoted text>The shame is on you.
My husband and I struggled very hard to raise our kids to have good values, respect for authority figures, etc. We disciplined in nonviolent ways, but it didn't matter. TEACHERS and other school stff bullied us, harangued us, blamed by railroading us at meetings, used the Child Protective System to chase and harass us because we dared to discipline our kids at all, screamed at us and terrorized because we would not DRUG UP our boys to make them act like girls for a convenient classroom. How are we supposed to teach our kids to behave in the classroom when YOU EDUCATORS teach our kids that even the most most benign forms of discipline is child maltreatment, when you teach them to disrespect good, struggling parents and 'stand up' to those parents so they can get their own way? We are then supposed to turn around and train them to behave for you? I have noticed that the more emphasis that has been placed on DRUGGING kids to get good behavior, the worse the problems of their behavior has become. I HOPE ALL OF YOU GET FIRED AND HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T pAY YOUR RENT!
It is no surprise you had to struggle to teach respect.

Your final sentence proves your hatred, negativism, and poor role-modleing for the next generation. Your sense of revenge is obvious. That is why we have shootings in the schools.

If your own children do not know how to behave in a classroom where learning is supposed to happen for all in the room, perhaps home schooling is in order. It sounds like there is much more to this story.

I hope only happiness, success and fulfillment for you and your family members.

Enough said by this poster.
I Vote Vermont

Marlborough, NH

#22 Mar 15, 2010
Suzy Somebody wrote:
<quoted text>The shame is on you.
My husband and I struggled very hard to raise our kids to have good values, respect for authority figures, etc. We disciplined in nonviolent ways, but it didn't matter. TEACHERS and other school stff bullied us, harangued us, blamed by railroading us at meetings, used the Child Protective System to chase and harass us because we dared to discipline our kids at all, screamed at us and terrorized because we would not DRUG UP our boys to make them act like girls for a convenient classroom. How are we supposed to teach our kids to behave in the classroom when YOU EDUCATORS teach our kids that even the most most benign forms of discipline is child maltreatment, when you teach them to disrespect good, struggling parents and 'stand up' to those parents so they can get their own way? We are then supposed to turn around and train them to behave for you? I have noticed that the more emphasis that has been placed on DRUGGING kids to get good behavior, the worse the problems of their behavior has become. I HOPE ALL OF YOU GET FIRED AND HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T pAY YOUR RENT!
What you have stated is true. Parents are not considered an equal part of the education team. If parents were equal, who would the teachers have left to blame?

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