All educators fired at underperformin...

All educators fired at underperforming RI school

There are 88 comments on the El Paso Times story from Feb 24, 2010, titled All educators fired at underperforming RI school. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

A Rhode Island school district has voted to fire all the teachers at an underperforming school.

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Sum Dim

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Feb 25, 2010
Concerned parent wrote:
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It seems you are a very educated fellow using such up-building language. If I may say, you are a typical citizen of this country, quick to judge and escalation. My comment was about making a significant contribution. Your response, a racily charged comment about the perceived superiority and humility of certain ethnic groups. Well done, perhaps you are on the wrong issue. Thanks for helping to build my confidence on the reasonableness and acumen of the American public (that's sarcasm in case you missed it).
You may say whatever you want. The reason your education system blows, is your cavalier attitude towards learning and discipline. Sloppy spelling and language skills are hallmarks of American education. It's relevant to a discussion such as this. If you can't see that, then you deserve what you're getting.

"Racially charged" is in your head. I made an empirical statement of fact about who gets your job when you demonstrate either an inadequate education or an unwillingness to do unskilled work at a competitive wage. If you don't realize that, then you're apparently not paying attention to the news either.

You don't know who I am. You might want to be more circumspect about lumping me into that group of "typical citizen(s) of this country, quick to judge and escalation".
Out of Town

Gwangju, Korea

#23 Feb 25, 2010
Crazy Like Hell wrote:
Teachers here should be fired when students do not meet state requirements. These sometimes rude sarcastic and sometimes downright annoying teachers should wake up in the morning and look at themselves in the mirror and ask themselves is it me ! Collecting a pay check and thinking everything is all right does not cut it.
Your child is probably one of those that can't hack it in class, the TAKS is to hard for them so the person you blame is the teacher. You should be looking at yourself and the way you raise your kid. From what you wrote it looks to me that you try to be your childs friend/buddy instead of being a parent. The teachers I know put up with a lot of crap and usually don't have the backing from the administrators when it comes to discipline. If you think that these people suit up in the morning and just show up for a paycheck, then you are dumber then what you sound in your post. There is not enough money in the world to pay someone to go to college just to become a babysitter. The teachers I know are out there to make a difference, because they know that these kids are the ones that will someday run our country. So if someone should be looking in the mirror I think it should be you.
chevy man

Wallaceton, PA

#24 Feb 25, 2010
Mark wrote:
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You have no idea what you are talking about! I am a teacher and love what I do - but if you think that all kids can be educated to the level that is expected, what all this shows is it is more difficult then people think. ALSO maybe if we had fewer kids, better and more supplies, more modern classrooms with the technology that in this day and age we should have, MAYBE - just MAYBE - it would be a step in the right direction rather then blame the teacher that runs and overcrowded - underfunded classroom with no support from home!
Where i live we give the best of every thing. I glad to see these piss poor teachers get fired.It's about time the taxpayers regain control of what they own. If a teacher can't preform, Dump em.There is plenty of well educated young grads that can & will fill those positions.

Since: Dec 09

Las Cruces, NM

#25 Feb 25, 2010
Mark wrote:
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You have no idea what you are talking about! I am a teacher and love what I do - but if you think that all kids can be educated to the level that is expected, what all this shows is it is more difficult then people think. ALSO maybe if we had fewer kids, better and more supplies, more modern classrooms with the technology that in this day and age we should have, MAYBE - just MAYBE - it would be a step in the right direction rather then blame the teacher that runs and overcrowded - underfunded classroom with no support from home!
I am not a teacher, but I agree with you. I have six kids (and no we were never on welfare) and all of them went through the public school system. They were all great students making all As and Bs and a few Cs. All of my kids have had great teachers with only a few exceptions. The teachers really cared about my kids and how they performed academically.

It is when the children who think that the teachers owe them something act up in class and prevent teachers from teaching and children from learning, that are the real problem. If more parents cared about their childís education, then the system wouldnít be a screwed up as it is now.

We shouldnít be blaming all of the teachers. Yes there are a few teachers who have no right to be a teacher, but what about the teachers that put up with all of those kids because they love their job? There is no way that I have the patients to put up with a classroom full of kids, especially teenagers.
Norma Rae

El Paso, TX

#26 Feb 25, 2010
Mark wrote:
I think it is a sin they did this! The comment from Concerned Parent is 100% right! I am an elementary school teacher and we talk about it often, a teacher can only do so much. We are not miracle workers, not all kids are the type of kids we wish they would be. That is not our fault. Parents need to see the importance of education and foster that at home also, NOT leave all the responsibility on others and then look for blame outside of themselves. In my class I have old books, supplies I buy for the most part out of my pocket, and deal with children that don't understand the importance of education when they come from a home where education is not necessarily prevalent. I love my job and love my kids, but what this type of action will do to other teachers is make sure they get the results one way or another, and when they still pop out of school stupid, then whose fault will it be....
It is the unions fault. They have made is so easy for teachers that standards had no place but to go down. In El Paso we have many certified teachers workings as subs or assistants. We could do a sweeping dismissal and still fill the vacancys.
No Child Left Behind

El Paso, TX

#27 Feb 25, 2010
I hope other school districts follow suit and conduct sweeping changes such as mass terminations. Teachers should be put on notice with this.
Ken

United States

#28 Feb 25, 2010
No Child Left Behind wrote:
I hope other school districts follow suit and conduct sweeping changes such as mass terminations. Teachers should be put on notice with this.
I agree!
Reticent

Santa Fe, NM

#29 Feb 25, 2010
No Child Left Behind wrote:
I hope other school districts follow suit and conduct sweeping changes such as mass terminations. Teachers should be put on notice with this.
You are right. They need to terminate having masses in the schools
Rob

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#30 Feb 25, 2010
Concerned parent wrote:
When was the last time any of these three who left previous comments, have been in a public high school? Have you tried to educate teenagers who really do not care, with parents who could not care any less. Spend a day with a high school teacher in your neighborhood and see what they must deal with every single day. Then try to talk with the parents of the rude and disrespectful students and you will know why the children act like barbarians. Then sit in a meeting where some pencil pushing administrator is telling you that your performance is below the state standard because the students are not performing to a state dictated level. Get a clue BEFORE you post any more comments! Did I mention that most public school teachers have to buy supplies for their own classes because of budget cuts. They do so because they actually care about their students and don't want a lack of concern on the part of parents and administrators to jeopardize their "kids". Try working at that kind a job and then talk to us about deserving to be fired.
You are starting to sound like the typical school teacher that has been in the classroom too long or just donít enjoy teaching. You decided to get into a profession that from the start knew what it was about. I am sure that at one point in your life you felt as though you could make a difference in someoneís life however; reality slapped you in the face. Donít come back and tell us about teenagers and how you have to buy supplies, that you are over worked and under paid ect. Welcome to the real world! If you and your fellow teachers are non performers you all deserve to get the boot before you poison the rest of the students with your bad attitudes and higher than mighty mentality. For some reason teachers seem to think that they should be put in a pedestal and worshiped because of their titles. I have a great deal of respect for those teachers that truly enjoy teaching. This are the same teachers that hardly ever complain about their salaries, about taking extra time to make a difference in a child that is having a difficult time (on and off school) and at the end of the day they are glad that they chose the teaching profession. They also have control of their classrooms because they are in charge and they have certain expectations from their students and parents. They did not allow a child or parent to get so out of controlled that it became a disruption to the entire classroom. This is the kind of teach that I will forever be grateful that they chose such a profession and truly made a difference. On the other hand if you donít enjoy what you are doing, may I suggest another profession? Please realize that you will most likely have to work the entire 8 hours of the day, you will not get spring/fall/holidays off. During the summer time you will have to get up every day and participate by working. If you are lucky you will get two weeks a year for a vacation, make sure you take full advantage of this perk because it will be a long WORKING year before you can take another break. So next time that you decide to comment on how hard you have it as a teach, please reflect on those TAX PAYERS that pay your salary and ask yourself if you are enjoying the job that you are doing or is it time to look for another type of profession? And by the way I am one of those individuals that attend school board meetings even though my kids are already out of school. I have to keep the school board members and administrators honest, if you know what I mean (but that is a different topic). Have a nice day and make a difference in a Childs life!
Ex Liberal

Escondido, CA

#31 Feb 25, 2010
PVUSD should be next in line for a complete cleaning and firing of all educators! Go to the Calif. Dept. of Education website and look at the STAR testing results! Abysmal!
Ex Liberal

Escondido, CA

#32 Feb 25, 2010
Concerned parent wrote:
When was the last time any of these three who left previous comments, have been in a public high school? Have you tried to educate teenagers who really do not care, with parents who could not care any less. Spend a day with a high school teacher in your neighborhood and see what they must deal with every single day. Then try to talk with the parents of the rude and disrespectful students and you will know why the children act like barbarians. Then sit in a meeting where some pencil pushing administrator is telling you that your performance is below the state standard because the students are not performing to a state dictated level. Get a clue BEFORE you post any more comments! Did I mention that most public school teachers have to buy supplies for their own classes because of budget cuts. They do so because they actually care about their students and don't want a lack of concern on the part of parents and administrators to jeopardize their "kids". Try working at that kind a job and then talk to us about deserving to be fired.
You sound just like the typical CTA or NEA union member!
Obamaself

United States

#33 Feb 25, 2010
No Child Left Behind wrote:
I hope other school districts follow suit and conduct sweeping changes such as mass terminations. Teachers should be put on notice with this.
This is a good start. And put the Unions on notice. Put the force and power back in the hands of the school district, and do something. Throwing money at the problem has not worked.
Ex Liberal

Escondido, CA

#34 Feb 25, 2010
Crazy like Hell failed wrote:
How do teachers fix :
1.children cannot be failed
2.more funding is spent on disfunctional kids 3.politicians tip toe around the issue of poor parenting.
4.Parenting is at an all time low, concerned more with reality shows, dieting, working out and generally behaving like teenagers.
5. parents babysit with game systems and the tv.
Teachers never had a chance. Working with kids really gives you a picture of what home life is like. This is very scary, we are in for a bleek future.
15 BILLION dollars a year in California spent on educating 1.4 MILLION children of illegal immigrants (listed as Spanish Language English Learners at the Ca Dept. of Education website)!
Rob

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#35 Feb 25, 2010
Mark wrote:
I think it is a sin they did this! The comment from Concerned Parent is 100% right! I am an elementary school teacher and we talk about it often, a teacher can only do so much. We are not miracle workers, not all kids are the type of kids we wish they would be. That is not our fault. Parents need to see the importance of education and foster that at home also, NOT leave all the responsibility on others and then look for blame outside of themselves. In my class I have old books, supplies I buy for the most part out of my pocket, and deal with children that don't understand the importance of education when they come from a home where education is not necessarily prevalent. I love my job and love my kids, but what this type of action will do to other teachers is make sure they get the results one way or another, and when they still pop out of school stupid, then whose fault will it be....
Get out of the teaching profession; you are part of the problem and not the solution!
Too Simplistic

El Paso, TX

#36 Feb 25, 2010
Yes, I must agree with you. This is exactly why I did not go into teaching. Otherwise, I would have.
Concerned parent wrote:
When was the last time any of these three who left previous comments, have been in a public high school? Have you tried to educate teenagers who really do not care, with parents who could not care any less. Spend a day with a high school teacher in your neighborhood and see what they must deal with every single day. Then try to talk with the parents of the rude and disrespectful students and you will know why the children act like barbarians. Then sit in a meeting where some pencil pushing administrator is telling you that your performance is below the state standard because the students are not performing to a state dictated level. Get a clue BEFORE you post any more comments! Did I mention that most public school teachers have to buy supplies for their own classes because of budget cuts. They do so because they actually care about their students and don't want a lack of concern on the part of parents and administrators to jeopardize their "kids". Try working at that kind a job and then talk to us about deserving to be fired.
Rob

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#37 Feb 25, 2010
Richard Heckler wrote:
It's not the teachers fault. Where are the parents?
There is a corrupt movement in this country to privatize public education. These people and their politicians run around the country screaming public schools are awful and cannot do the job. What a load of crap.
This is covert operation to set up corporate schools aka Charter schools and/or private schools if you will. These schools cannot guarantee a better education. BUT THEY CAN SUCK UP YOUR TAX DOLLARS IN A BIG WAY. These schools are all about profit and high dollar principals with shareholders as the icing on the cake.
Once again americans are being led astray by political rhetoric from the very people they claim disdain for....... POLITICIANS and their corporate special interests.
It's not the public schools. It's the lack of parental guidance!!!
Really, you must not live in El Paso. The biggest chunk of my TAX goes to the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM! I am all for giving the parents a choice of private schools if only the government would give me an option and my money. Why do you think that most politicians have their own kids in private schools verses public?
teacher in PA

Pittsburgh, PA

#38 Feb 25, 2010
I hope that everything works out for the teachers in Central Falls! I work in a district in PA with similar problems...everyone is quick to blame the teachers! Has anyone given thought to how hard it is to educate people who do not value education? I hope that the district is able to work with the techers on this! STAY STRONG CENTRAL FALLS TEACHERS!

p.s. If teachers are fired...I can't wait to see what happens when the scores of tests and grtaduation rate don't jump sky high!
teacher in PA

Pittsburgh, PA

#39 Feb 25, 2010
sorry...graduation
SC TAXPAYER

Hollister, CA

#40 Feb 25, 2010
Richard Heckler wrote:
It's not the teachers fault. Where are the parents?
There is a corrupt movement in this country to privatize public education. These people and their politicians run around the country screaming public schools are awful and cannot do the job. What a load of crap.
This is covert operation to set up corporate schools aka Charter schools and/or private schools if you will. These schools cannot guarantee a better education. BUT THEY CAN SUCK UP YOUR TAX DOLLARS IN A BIG WAY. These schools are all about profit and high dollar principals with shareholders as the icing on the cake.
Once again americans are being led astray by political rhetoric from the very people they claim disdain for....... POLITICIANS and their corporate special interests.
It's not the public schools. It's the lack of parental guidance!!!
I believe that all or most of the private schools in Santa Cruz are non-profit, certainly the religious private schools. The problem is that there is no competition for public schools and the state/county offices of education/districts are just not responsive to parents or the students they serve. Public schools have completely lost focus on their main mission and have instead become a vast social program for immigrants and children with special needs. I was fortunate enough to have the means to make a choice for my children and received no government benefit to send them to a private religious school and would do it again in a heartbeat. You have skewed this to an argument about corporate greed when it is really about parents wanting what is best for their children. Don't middle and low income families deserve the same educational choices as upper income families? Do you really want a two tier education system where the wealthy put their kids in private schools and the rest are left to the mess that has become public schools? What is worse "corporate greed" or a broken government program?
SC TAXPAYER

Hollister, CA

#42 Feb 25, 2010
willie b wrote:
Education-The only career where you can be a Totally incompedent Loser and keep your job. You work for 9 months and get paid for 12. What a gravy train!
Actually, you have also just described, George Bush, Congress, California State Legislature, and the Santa Cruz County Supervisors.

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