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Firing of all teachers at RI school roils students

There are 183 comments on the The Boston Globe story from Mar 14, 2010, titled Firing of all teachers at RI school roils students. In it, The Boston Globe reports that:

Ashley Delgado graduated from one of Rhode Island's worst-performing high schools and wanted to go to college -- if only she could get there.

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Deo Vindice

Sacramento, CA

#21 Mar 14, 2010
The entire public education system is in shambles.
The American education system is worse than those in any country, including some third world countries.

It is a big money-making racket for liberal politicians.

Black high school kids can't even spell their own first names. They cannot string a sentence together without including ghetto ebonics.

Mexican kids can't even read or write Spanish, more less Enlish.

The liberals want to keep these kids at this level. They will end up on the welfare rolls and in turn vote liberal.

This system is being perpetuated by the B. Hussein Obama agenda.
NWGuy

Kent, WA

#22 Mar 14, 2010
Glasnos wrote:
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Don't be ignorant. All that needs be done is set up SS numbers like Visa or MC ... with a data base of SS numbers and full names. Then when someone applies for a job, school, or low income housing, you type in the name and SS #... and it is instantly verified or rejected. If illegals can't work or get government benefits, they will deport themselves. The politicians are doing a snow job ... the democrats want them here ... and if republicans object, they are smeared as racists.
Please note - Bush & McCain aren't Democrats.

Just to notice one problem, consider if we were actually successful. Having 15M jobless, homeless people dumped on Mexico would be something a poor and poorly led country such as Mexico couldn't handle. It would be an humanitarian disaster, perpetrated by the USA. It would result in numerous refugee camps as large as the largest refugee camps in the world.

No congress, regardless of party, is going to approve of such a disaster. And, that's only one of the problems.

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#23 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
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Did the students show up to class?
Do they speak English proficiently?
Is there a standard of behavior at the school that is supported by the administration, including the principal?
Are the parents ensuring that homework is done, that there kids show up, or that the kids value progress in school?
This idea that it is the fault of the teachers if the students refuse to be educated is total nonsense. Teachers do have a part in it, but a wholesale firing of the teaching staff and hiring inexperienced teachers right out of school is not a solution to any problem indicated in the article.
This is NOT how any successful business would go about improving its staff.
any successful business would have vetted it's staff...

what do you suggest, fire the students?

“Anthony NYR”

Since: Jun 07

New York

#24 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
"Deport them" is always fun to say, but it is never going to happen.
There are simply too many reasons that an acceptable plan for rounding up and deporting 15M residents is never going to be found.
Republicans know this. Democrats know this. Congress and every recent administration knows this. The Supreme Court knows this.
It's time we move on to solutions that might actually get implemented.
How about massive fines for contractors, retailers, etc. that hire them. They're just as guilty! Maybe if the work dries up, less and less people will enter this nation illegally.
NWGuy

Kent, WA

#25 Mar 14, 2010
Anthony wrote:
<quoted text>How about massive fines for contractors, retailers, etc. that hire them. They're just as guilty! Maybe if the work dries up, less and less people will enter this nation illegally.
lol - I didn't say we can't clamp down on employment.

If you reread you will notice I stated that it would be a humanitarian disaster if 15M jobless, homeless people moved to Mexico, and that a US congress will never try to make that happen.

Since: Dec 07

Humble, TX

#26 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and they are cheaper, too!
So many times we see "education solutions" that are really just budget solutions - with no intention or possibility of doing anything positive for education.
I retired the same year an asst. supt. told me to tell the history teachers to teach 3 days of history a week in the spring and use the other two days for standardized math test practice. I politley told him to take a hike. I requested his order in writing and he refused. I'm now at a private school and drawing retirement from my 30 years in public school. That bum is still struggling.

“Anthony NYR”

Since: Jun 07

New York

#27 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
lol - I didn't say we can't clamp down on employment.
If you reread you will notice I stated that it would be a humanitarian disaster if 15M jobless, homeless people moved to Mexico, and that a US congress will never try to make that happen.
Actually, I wasn't disagreeing with you. Obviously, the government can't and shouldn't forcibly remove 15+M illegals from the country. My point was that the FUTURE influx, at it's probable rate, can only lead to a more massive underground economy, and that's just not fiscally smart for this country.
Glasnos

Deltona, FL

#28 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Please note - Bush & McCain aren't Democrats.
Just to notice one problem, consider if we were actually successful. Having 15M jobless, homeless people dumped on Mexico would be something a poor and poorly led country such as Mexico couldn't handle. It would be an humanitarian disaster, perpetrated by the USA. It would result in numerous refugee camps as large as the largest refugee camps in the world.
No congress, regardless of party, is going to approve of such a disaster. And, that's only one of the problems.
Excuse me!/// When is america responsible for the world's poor? Just because america is adjacent to Mexico does not make mexicans any more deserving than Ugandans or Cambodians ... does it? Are you aware that that the richest man in the world is a Mexican? Let him take care of his countrymen. It is not america's job. Do you think a poor american can just walk across the border and get medical care in Mexico? They can't ... but wealthy mexicans can cross the border and get free medical care in america ... and do.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#29 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
lol - I didn't say we can't clamp down on employment.
If you reread you will notice I stated that it would be a humanitarian disaster if 15M jobless, homeless people moved to Mexico, and that a US congress will never try to make that happen.
hey, genius. did you know that a "US congress" did that 3 times in the past?

it happened with hoover, truman, and eisenhower.

they deported millions of illegal aliens AND mexicans when the need arose. hoover during the depression. truman after ww2. eisenhower in 1954. all deported to create jobs for americans.

it happened before. it will happen again. we, the people, decide what needs to be done. NOT the illegals, OR the pro-illegals, genius.

when you are faced with assisting your own people, or those from another country, it doesn't take a genius to know exactly what to do. right?

if they are illegal, their home countries are responsible for them, not us. PERIOD.
NWGuy

Kent, WA

#30 Mar 14, 2010
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
hey, genius. did you know that a "US congress" did that 3 times in the past?
it happened with hoover, truman, and eisenhower.
they deported millions of illegal aliens AND mexicans when the need arose. hoover during the depression. truman after ww2. eisenhower in 1954. all deported to create jobs for americans.
it happened before. it will happen again. we, the people, decide what needs to be done. NOT the illegals, OR the pro-illegals, genius.
when you are faced with assisting your own people, or those from another country, it doesn't take a genius to know exactly what to do. right?
if they are illegal, their home countries are responsible for them, not us. PERIOD.
Hey genius, did you notice that:
- today, you couldn't even name the operation the same name as Ike did!
- today, we are on the other side of the civil rights movement. Ike's program of stopping people for "looking Mexican" and demanding proof of citizenship will not be tolerated.
- our population has changed dramatically. Today, certain significant regions have a Latino majority. Police action against that community is not going to be found to be politically acceptable. Ike could make slurs against Mexicans. Reagan, Clinton and the Bush presidents needed to appeal to the Spanish speaking community.
- today, we're talking about 15M, not the piddling few that Ike actually deported. Serious problems crop up when you go after 15M people instead of 100K or whatever.
- for decades now, we haven't had a president who agreed with deportation as a solution for those established here.
Barbara

Haverhill, MA

#31 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
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You think the salary is high and the teacher quality is low.
On the off chance you are right about the teachers (which is not indicated by anything in the article), that means one of two things. Either the administration is incompetent in selecting teachers, or the salary/job description are not adequate to attract good resumes.
We work under capitalism, not communism.
And Glasnos just loves Capitalism ... don't you Glasnos? LOL
Barbara

Haverhill, MA

#33 Mar 14, 2010
Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Reading the story answers most of those questions.
"Just under half of residents in the city of nearly 19,000 people identify themselves as Hispanic, and the majority do not speak English at home."
"At Avila's last school, she said, students who repeatedly showed up late received detentions. Not so in Central Falls."
"If teachers are responsible for student performance, so are parents, said Beatriz Rosa, 32. Her daughter, 14-year-old Tashunna Perez, is a freshman. Rosa said it's not uncommon to see high schoolers wandering the downtown during the school day.
"Where are the parents?" she said. "I think the parents are half responsible for what's going on."
Yet it seems everyone skipped over this part of the story;
"Rhode Island's education commissioner identified the high school in January as one of the six worst in the state and ordered its leaders to pick from one of four reform plans. When talks with the teachers' union broke down, Central Falls School Superintendent Frances Gallo chose the most extreme option, to fire the staff. No more than half can return under federal rules."
In other words, the "UNION" would not allow the FIREING of the bad teachers and forced the Superintendent to FIRE all of the teachers!
In other words, the "UNION" would not allow the FIREING of the bad teachers and forced the Superintendent to FIRE all of the teachers!

How did you arrive at that conclusion??? It was my understanding that the Superintendent wanted the teachers to work longer hours without compensation & to even use their lunch time to "eat & bond" with the students. It had nothng to do with firing "bad teachers." BTW, if there had been any "bad teachers", they could have been removed if the administration had done its job correctly and followed procedure. The Superintendent was not "forced" to FIRE all teachers ... she chose to do so by selecting the most extreme option.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#34 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey genius, did you notice that:
- today, you couldn't even name the operation the same name as Ike did!
- today, we are on the other side of the civil rights movement. Ike's program of stopping people for "looking Mexican" and demanding proof of citizenship will not be tolerated.
- our population has changed dramatically. Today, certain significant regions have a Latino majority. Police action against that community is not going to be found to be politically acceptable. Ike could make slurs against Mexicans. Reagan, Clinton and the Bush presidents needed to appeal to the Spanish speaking community.
- today, we're talking about 15M, not the piddling few that Ike actually deported. Serious problems crop up when you go after 15M people instead of 100K or whatever.
- for decades now, we haven't had a president who agreed with deportation as a solution for those established here.
to begin with, from what I read, ike deported 15M illegal aliens. it was not 100k like you said.

it is very easy to circumvent the "racial profiling" rule, you just do ID check for everybody at a checkpoint. I'm sure all good american citizens will agree to it knowing it will save them money.

right now, many things are being tolerated. but my guess is - another few years of state budget deficits, and we will see this toleration change.

if unemployment reaches 20%+, we shall see vigilante squads appear. and guess what? they won't be hunting for turkeys. comprendi?
NWGuy

Kent, WA

#35 Mar 14, 2010
Asian Guy wrote:
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to begin with, from what I read, ike deported 15M illegal aliens. it was not 100k like you said.
it is very easy to circumvent the "racial profiling" rule, you just do ID check for everybody at a checkpoint. I'm sure all good american citizens will agree to it knowing it will save them money.
right now, many things are being tolerated. but my guess is - another few years of state budget deficits, and we will see this toleration change.
if unemployment reaches 20%+, we shall see vigilante squads appear. and guess what? they won't be hunting for turkeys. comprendi?

Look it up. Ike might have deported 100K.

Americans aren't required to carry papers for the privilege of walking around. You won't make progress on denying that fundamental right. No US congress is going to pass a bill allowing police to knock on doors or stop people on the street to demand papers of those who "look Mexican". That isn't how America works.

Your threats of violence come from ignorance of what it means to be an American. We believe in the rule of law. America does have experience with hate groups, and I have every confidence Americans will know what to do if the need arises.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#36 Mar 14, 2010
sue wrote:
Good they fired them. If you were not doing your job you would get fired, too.
thanks for that opinion. It confirms my inclination to have some suspicion that the teachers and students are being treated unfairly, by a highhanded principal. I find your heart is often not in the right place, or not there at all. there is a nastiness in your brevity, and I cannot excuse it. you tried to explain before, and I tried to understand, but how can you ask to be understood when you refuse to grant any benefit of the doubt or any understanding to others. I bet you are a lonely and hateful person, and don't know why. or else you are two faced and your real self comes out when you are anonymous.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#37 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Look it up. Ike might have deported 100K.
Americans aren't required to carry papers for the privilege of walking around. You won't make progress on denying that fundamental right. No US congress is going to pass a bill allowing police to knock on doors or stop people on the street to demand papers of those who "look Mexican". That isn't how America works.
Your threats of violence come from ignorance of what it means to be an American. We believe in the rule of law. America does have experience with hate groups, and I have every confidence Americans will know what to do if the need arises.
so do we get to deport the little yellow guy you replied to, the little Jap, the little - what are some of the other nasty slang terms we can throw at him - monkey, maybe - to teach him not to be arrogant and high handed. why do we want those nasty yellow men in our county. a nice soft tan is prettier. yellow is a nasty color. how does he like being insulted for ethnicity? you were very wise in his comment, but some of the arrogant need to be treated like dirt themselves, thelittle punks.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#38 Mar 14, 2010
if empathy can only be taught by putting someone in the shoes of the person they insult and mistreat, so be it. I admire NWGuy, but his kind and wise statement may go over the head of a bigot. Let's try to deport the bigot. see how he likes it.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#39 Mar 14, 2010
Barbara wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, the "UNION" would not allow the FIREING of the bad teachers and forced the Superintendent to FIRE all of the teachers!
How did you arrive at that conclusion??? It was my understanding that the Superintendent wanted the teachers to work longer hours without compensation & to even use their lunch time to "eat & bond" with the students. It had nothng to do with firing "bad teachers." BTW, if there had been any "bad teachers", they could have been removed if the administration had done its job correctly and followed procedure. The Superintendent was not "forced" to FIRE all teachers ... she chose to do so by selecting the most extreme option.
Another helpful comment, assuming you are the Barbara I usually respect and agree with. I did not know the details of this. I just felt uneasy about it. I am not one to assume that an Administrator type is fair and correct, or has a heart or even a very good mind. sort of a lazy bully, would be my suspicion, until proven otherwise. be big, sit behind a desk with signs of authority and power, spend money and make threats and go to meetings, is my image. not of my own principal when I was a student, however.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#40 Mar 14, 2010
Barbara wrote:
<quoted text>And Glasnos just loves Capitalism ... don't you Glasnos? LOL
One usually assumes glasnos is not only mistaken, but malicious and evil in his wrongness.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#41 Mar 14, 2010
NWGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Please note - Bush & McCain aren't Democrats.
Just to notice one problem, consider if we were actually successful. Having 15M jobless, homeless people dumped on Mexico would be something a poor and poorly led country such as Mexico couldn't handle. It would be an humanitarian disaster, perpetrated by the USA. It would result in numerous refugee camps as large as the largest refugee camps in the world.
No congress, regardless of party, is going to approve of such a disaster. And, that's only one of the problems.
another rational and kind and sensible comment. though you need to be sure which folks who disagree with you a bit are outright evil, and which are just discussing details. save your fire for the evil ones, like glasnos.

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