Firing of all teachers at RI school roils students

Mar 14, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Boston Globe

Ashley Delgado graduated from one of Rhode Island's worst-performing high schools and wanted to go to college -- if only she could get there.

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ladydi

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In this area there was busing until relatively recently...I chose to work two full-time jobs to send the children to a parochial school. The lack of self-control among the students at the public school was abysmal. A great number of the female students were pregnant. Weapons are regularly seized at the aforementioned public school. The officials even tried to sweeten the appearance of the school by turning a small portion of it into a "magnet" school offering science and technology training to a small group of students. Still few takers! Have NEVER seen this school represented on the show "It's Academic."...So...busing faded away as the Black families who want quality for their children will not have to have THEIR children bused to this school!!
NWGuy

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Here's another superintendant who desperately needs to be fired.

5 principles in 6 years???

What made ANYONE think the problem at this school is the teachers? I see not one shred of evidence in the article.

Now he's going to start using Teach for America teachers who just graduated from college and have essentially zero experience? Exactly why is that better?
sue

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Good they fired them. If you were not doing your job you would get fired, too.
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NWGuy wrote:
Here's another superintendant who desperately needs to be fired.
5 principles in 6 years???
What made ANYONE think the problem at this school is the teachers? I see not one shred of evidence in the article.
Now he's going to start using Teach for America teachers who just graduated from college and have essentially zero experience? Exactly why is that better?
I see the evidence of what you decry right here in this post.

"5 principles in 6 years???' The correct spelling is "principals" you dope.
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Average teacher salary $72,000 ... and only 7% of the 11th grade students passed the math proficiency?... They did the right thing in firing them all. That's just inexcuseable.
What do you want to bet you will not find many of the teacher's own children at that school?

Trouble is, I don't think this is too far off the norm for public schools.
NWGuy

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Glasnos wrote:
Average teacher salary $72,000 ... and only 7% of the 11th grade students passed the math proficiency?... They did the right thing in firing them all. That's just inexcuseable.
What do you want to bet you will not find many of the teacher's own children at that school?
Trouble is, I don't think this is too far off the norm for public schools.
Did the students show up to class?

Do they speak English proficiently?

Is there a standard of behavior at the school that is supported by the administration, including the principal?

Are the parents ensuring that homework is done, that there kids show up, or that the kids value progress in school?


This idea that it is the fault of the teachers if the students refuse to be educated is total nonsense. Teachers do have a part in it, but a wholesale firing of the teaching staff and hiring inexperienced teachers right out of school is not a solution to any problem indicated in the article.

This is NOT how any successful business would go about improving its staff.
NWGuy

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Glasnos wrote:
Average teacher salary $72,000 ... and only 7% of the 11th grade students passed the math proficiency?... They did the right thing in firing them all. That's just inexcuseable.
What do you want to bet you will not find many of the teacher's own children at that school?
Trouble is, I don't think this is too far off the norm for public schools.
You think the salary is high and the teacher quality is low.

On the off chance you are right about the teachers (which is not indicated by anything in the article), that means one of two things. Either the administration is incompetent in selecting teachers, or the salary/job description are not adequate to attract good resumes.

We work under capitalism, not communism.

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NWGuy wrote:
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Did the students show up to class?
Do they speak English proficiently?
Is there a standard of behavior at the school that is supported by the administration, including the principal?
Are the parents ensuring that homework is done, that there kids show up, or that the kids value progress in school?
This idea that it is the fault of the teachers if the students refuse to be educated is total nonsense. Teachers do have a part in it, but a wholesale firing of the teaching staff and hiring inexperienced teachers right out of school is not a solution to any problem indicated in the article.
This is NOT how any successful business would go about improving its staff.
The answer is D: None of the above!
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NWGuy wrote:
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Did the students show up to class?
Do they speak English proficiently?
Is there a standard of behavior at the school that is supported by the administration, including the principal?
Are the parents ensuring that homework is done, that there kids show up, or that the kids value progress in school?
This idea that it is the fault of the teachers if the students refuse to be educated is total nonsense. Teachers do have a part in it, but a wholesale firing of the teaching staff and hiring inexperienced teachers right out of school is not a solution to any problem indicated in the article.
This is NOT how any successful business would go about improving its staff.
Reading the story answers most of those questions.

"Just under half of residents in the city of nearly 19,000 people identify themselves as Hispanic, and the majority do not speak English at home."

"At Avila's last school, she said, students who repeatedly showed up late received detentions. Not so in Central Falls."

"If teachers are responsible for student performance, so are parents, said Beatriz Rosa, 32. Her daughter, 14-year-old Tashunna Perez, is a freshman. Rosa said it's not uncommon to see high schoolers wandering the downtown during the school day.

"Where are the parents?" she said. "I think the parents are half responsible for what's going on."

Yet it seems everyone skipped over this part of the story;

"Rhode Island's education commissioner identified the high school in January as one of the six worst in the state and ordered its leaders to pick from one of four reform plans. When talks with the teachers' union broke down, Central Falls School Superintendent Frances Gallo chose the most extreme option, to fire the staff. No more than half can return under federal rules."

In other words, the "UNION" would not allow the FIREING of the bad teachers and forced the Superintendent to FIRE all of the teachers!

“silly conspiracy theory HA”

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What is the part of the girls sign that is cut off?
'why arent you deporting?' or something else. Deporting would be right, but I doubt that is what she was saying. Google the school and you will see this:

"According to the NECAP results (New England Common Assessment Program), of the Central Falls High School students who participated in the assessments, 22% were identified with Limited English proficiency with English as their second language compared to 3 % for the state. Twenty-three percent had an IEP (individualized education plan designed for students with special needs) compared to the state average of 17% and 85% were classified as economically disadvantaged compared to the state average of 35%."
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Of course, the parents are responsible for their children's education, but if only 11% of a class is prepared to move to the next year's class, the teachers must accept some responsiblity. And if none of your teachers are doing their job they must be fired. For too long the teachers Unions have covered for second rate teachers. Our children deserve better. Now Obama wants to dismantle the NCLB Act, and make if over in his image, with the help of Secy of Education, Arne Duncan. Arne will do for all out schools what he did for the Chicago schools. Nothing. They are deplorable.

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Pete wrote:
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Reading the story answers most of those questions.
"Just under half of residents in the city of nearly 19,000 people identify themselves as Hispanic, and the majority do not speak English at home."
"At Avila's last school, she said, students who repeatedly showed up late received detentions. Not so in Central Falls."
"If teachers are responsible for student performance, so are parents, said Beatriz Rosa, 32. Her daughter, 14-year-old Tashunna Perez, is a freshman. Rosa said it's not uncommon to see high schoolers wandering the downtown during the school day.
"Where are the parents?" she said. "I think the parents are half responsible for what's going on."
Yet it seems everyone skipped over this part of the story;
"Rhode Island's education commissioner identified the high school in January as one of the six worst in the state and ordered its leaders to pick from one of four reform plans. When talks with the teachers' union broke down, Central Falls School Superintendent Frances Gallo chose the most extreme option, to fire the staff. No more than half can return under federal rules."
In other words, the "UNION" would not allow the FIREING of the bad teachers and forced the Superintendent to FIRE all of the teachers!
I may be wrong. but my guess is - we're dealing with a bunch of illegal aliens here.

the solution is simple - DEPORT them.
NWGuy

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Pete wrote:
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"Rhode Island's education commissioner identified the high school in January as one of the six worst in the state and ordered its leaders to pick from one of four reform plans. When talks with the teachers' union broke down, Central Falls School Superintendent Frances Gallo chose the most extreme option, to fire the staff. No more than half can return under federal rules."

In other words, the "UNION" would not allow the FIREING of the bad teachers and forced the Superintendent to FIRE all of the teachers!
I don't see any specification of the 4 reform plans in this article.

Did they all identify teachers as the problem that had to be solved?

I see no evidence that an unbiased examination of the problems at this school would identify the teaching staff as the problem. Many serious problems ARE identified where they have nothing whatsoever to do with the teachers.

And, with the result being that the school will hire a set of newly graduated, inexperienced teachers, why would anyone think that this wholesale firing will achieve a stronger teaching staff?

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NWGuy wrote:
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I don't see any specification of the 4 reform plans in this article.
Did they all identify teachers as the problem that had to be solved?
I see no evidence that an unbiased examination of the problems at this school would identify the teaching staff as the problem. Many serious problems ARE identified where they have nothing whatsoever to do with the teachers.
And, with the result being that the school will hire a set of newly graduated, inexperienced teachers, why would anyone think that this wholesale firing will achieve a stronger teaching staff?
Young teachers can be brought in and manipulated. I've seen it done!
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I may be wrong. but my guess is - we're dealing with a bunch of illegal aliens here.
the solution is simple - DEPORT them.
"Deport them" is always fun to say, but it is never going to happen.

There are simply too many reasons that an acceptable plan for rounding up and deporting 15M residents is never going to be found.

Republicans know this. Democrats know this. Congress and every recent administration knows this. The Supreme Court knows this.

It's time we move on to solutions that might actually get implemented.
ladydi

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I may be wrong. but my guess is - we're dealing with a bunch of illegal aliens here.
the solution is simple - DEPORT them.
Can't "fire" the students or their parents for doing a poor job...so I guess the "next best thing" is to fire ALL the teachers!!...Have 100% of the blame put on the shoulders of the teachers working with these challenge students...sure beats acknowledging that homework was not done...schooldays are spent in the mall...parents are out getting wasted.
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"Deport them" is always fun to say, but it is never going to happen.
There are simply too many reasons that an acceptable plan for rounding up and deporting 15M residents is never going to be found.
Republicans know this. Democrats know this. Congress and every recent administration knows this. The Supreme Court knows this.
It's time we move on to solutions that might actually get implemented.
Don't be ignorant. All that needs be done is set up SS numbers like Visa or MC ... with a data base of SS numbers and full names. Then when someone applies for a job, school, or low income housing, you type in the name and SS #... and it is instantly verified or rejected. If illegals can't work or get government benefits, they will deport themselves. The politicians are doing a snow job ... the democrats want them here ... and if republicans object, they are smeared as racists.
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Young teachers can be brought in and manipulated. I've seen it done!
Yes, and they are cheaper, too!

So many times we see "education solutions" that are really just budget solutions - with no intention or possibility of doing anything positive for education.
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Did the students show up to class?
Do they speak English proficiently?
Is there a standard of behavior at the school that is supported by the administration, including the principal?
Are the parents ensuring that homework is done, that there kids show up, or that the kids value progress in school?
This idea that it is the fault of the teachers if the students refuse to be educated is total nonsense. Teachers do have a part in it, but a wholesale firing of the teaching staff and hiring inexperienced teachers right out of school is not a solution to any problem indicated in the article.
This is NOT how any successful business would go about improving its staff.
No ,it isn't how any business would operate. Like all the others they would close shop and head out of the country.

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

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Gee ... maybe Rhode Island should have done what the state of New York did: Just lower the passing proficiency score in all areas of study to 44% and see your graduate rate spike 288 percent in one year, and then all school administrators received a 75% increase in bonuses for "creating innovative solutions" to the state's decades-long dismal failure rate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/19/nyregion/19...

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