i think christians are delusional.
wow.

Georgetown, IN

#143 Jun 7, 2012
faith wrote:
<quoted text>I am sorry for the pain and suffering of your child, and for you as a parent. We will not have all these answers in our lifetime but it does not mean that there is no God. I lost a child myself, and there is no worse suffering than a parent losing a child, as far as my heart is concerned, but I have never lost my faith. In fact I turned TO God and not away from HIM. I rely and trust God totally. We cannot answer why some are healed and some are not, and some children die and others live to a ripe old age. We can never understand why bad things happen to good people. All I know is the Bible says the rain will fall on the just and the unjust alike, which means suffering and death. We cannot see the future but God does. Some things we will never know until we stand before Him and by then it won't matter. God's ways are not our ways and he has mysteries about him that he does not share. He does not even see death as we do. We know very little, but I do know there is a God and I do know His Son, Jesus, died for us so we might have everylasting life. Those are two questions that I got answers for long ago.
Mark 11:24 god will answer your prayers if you believe it.
..
So if your prayers arent answered we must assume there is no god
faith

United States

#144 Jun 10, 2012
[QUOTE who="wow. "]<quoted text>
Mark 11:24 god will answer your prayers if you believe it.
..
So if your prayers arent answered we must assume there is no god[/QUOTE]

I never ASSUME anything. No, it does not mean there is NO God. For someone who believes there is NO God, you sure spend a lot of time on the subject. What do you care what others believe? It is a choice I made long ago and I stand by it. You are free to believe whatever you want to.
truth

Georgetown, IN

#145 Jun 10, 2012
faith wrote:
[QUOTE who="wow. "]<quoted text>
Mark 11:24 god will answer your prayers if you believe it.
..
So if your prayers arent answered we must assume there is no god"

I never ASSUME anything. No, it does not mean there is NO God. For someone who believes there is NO God, you sure spend a lot of time on the subject. What do you care what others believe? It is a choice I made long ago and I stand by it. You are free to believe whatever you want to.
True.
But you responded to the "I think Christians are delusional" so why do you care?
People can believe whatever they want right??
truth

Georgetown, IN

#146 Jun 11, 2012
faith wrote:
[QUOTE who="wow. "]<quoted text>
Mark 11:24 god will answer your prayers if you believe it.
..
So if your prayers arent answered we must assume there is no god"

I never ASSUME anything. No, it does not mean there is NO God. For someone who believes there is NO God, you sure spend a lot of time on the subject. What do you care what others believe? It is a choice I made long ago and I stand by it. You are free to believe whatever you want to.
If it doesn't mean there isn't a god it definitely means the bible lies.
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Since: Apr 10

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#147 Jun 11, 2012
Yes

[QUOTE who="wow. "]Do you?[/QUOTE]

Since: Apr 10

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#148 Jun 11, 2012
"I am a strong full of faith Christian! I have nothing to loose by living this way" Except waste your effort, time, money and resources living a lie.

"I will have lived my life with good character, strong values, good morals, taught my children the difference of right and wrong" If that's true, you do it contrary to your religion. Have you read the Bible? It is unfit for a child to read. R-rated.

[QUOTE who="your little men!!!"]<quoted text>
I am a strong full of faith Christian! I have nothing to loose by living this way, if by some very tiny chance Heaven does not exist, but I am positive it does then I will have lived my life with good character, strong values, good morals, taught my children the difference of right and wrong, the importance of family, friends, and community. So what you see as delusional I see as a strong morales for great living and teachings.[/QUOTE]

Since: Apr 10

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#149 Jun 11, 2012
"I can think of nothing stranger than the fact the world is here and we exist in it, we reason, we have conscience, and no other species does this."

I'm not sure that's true...the claim that no other animals have a conscience. Where is your evidence?
faith wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't have to call on a higher power. It is your choice to believe however you wish. Faith is no small thing my friend, and I choose faith and fellowship with Christ. Truth is always stranger than fiction and I can think of nothing stranger than the fact the world is here and we exist in it, we reason, we have conscience, and no other species does this. They merely exist. Good enough for me.

Since: Apr 10

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#150 Jun 11, 2012
"I notice the "troll"...says there is no proof to ascertain the existence of God." It's true that there is no evidence for any god.

"Yet, he/she must then claim to know all the facts and every conceivable way to prove or disprove God's existence." No. If there is no evidence for your god, there is no good reason to believe in he/she/it. You cannot disprove pink fairies, but do you believe in them? Why or why not?
Douglas C Hendrix wrote:
I notice the "troll" that started this topic says there is no proof to ascertain the existence of God. Yet, he/she must then claim to know all the facts and every conceivable way to prove or disprove God's existence. What facts is the "troll" looking for? What kind of proof does he/she seek? He/she also promotes books that are supposed proof to the lack of existence of God. Do they feel justified to have faith in these writings?
He/she is good at asking questions so maybe he/she would be so inclined to answer a few questions without getting militantly angry. Who proved God does not exist? What methods were used? How were these methods established? What are the parameters of such experiments conducted, if any? What were the variables used in this testing? What data gained from these experiments gave conclusive evidence of God not existing?
1. Does the person that created this particular thread know all things?
2. Would this person accept proof of Gods existence or are they so stuck in their own belief system of presuppositions against the existence of God that they would still fall back on their books that they have faith in, such as the list of reading material that they so fervently endorse?
3. Why do you believe your preposition against the existence of God is a justifiable position to hold?
4. Is the existence of God solely to be based on the application of the scientific method?
5. Is there a purpose for mankind?
6. If there is a purpose for mankind, what are the deciding factors that make-up such a purpose?
7. Do you feel the world would be better off without all forms of religion?
9. Where does morality come from?
10. Are their such things as moral absolutes?
11. What would be considered, in your eyes, as concrete proof to Gods existence?
I am just curious to see the responses they would give. These are not questions to prove the existence of God but to better help me understand where these people are coming from.
When I get time in a few days I will come back and check to see if there are any intellectual replies instead of a bunch of rants and railings.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#151 Jun 11, 2012
"Jesus is love and hope for all Christians." Burning people for eternity is not love.

"The end is near." Where's your evidence?

"The bible predicts of a time such as now when man will believe his own intelligence over the word of God." You know you're dealing with a scam when believing it requires the suspension of Reason...the turning off of your brain.

"God help us all" It's naive to call for the help of a genocidal maniac, especially an invisible sky tryant.
GOD HELP US wrote:
Jesus is love and hope for all Christians. The end is near. You can just see how wicked people are and how their minds are corrupted. The bible predicts of a time such as now when man will believe his own intelligence over the word of God.
God help us all
wonderin

United States

#152 Jun 11, 2012
Nobody has answered any of my questions....

GOD IS NOT REAL!

Does god decide when there is going to be a storm, hurricane, earthquake etc? Since he created everything it must be him that is causing them right? If he created the earth, why did he put all of those awful things here? It is bcuz no super being created earth.... Everything happens bcuz that is how the earth is suppose to operate in nature--- naturally not magically.
Iknow4fact

Lakeville, MN

#153 Jun 13, 2012
He doesn't limit himself to crippled people. I know a couple of people personally that have been pronounced dead and the family prayed and the Lord brought them back to life. One was my brother-in-law so I know that it is true. I don't know why every prayer isn't answered but God does. I do know that he loves us very much and that we need him to make it through this life. We also need him so that we can live forever in Heaven and not in Hell in torment. Don't know about you, but this world has enough torment in it for me and I don't want to spend eternity in more!! The Devil walks around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, that's why this world is the way that it is. God didn't cause it to be this way, the Devil did by confusing people,to try to destroy them. Sadly, it has worked on so many! God help us!! Not all of my prayers are answered either, but I've learned that God knows what is best for us and in the end, it always works out.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#154 Jun 13, 2012
"He doesn't limit himself to crippled people." Why doesn't your god answer the prayers of amputees?

"I know a couple of people personally that have been pronounced dead and the family prayed and the Lord brought them back to life." Then they didn't really die. Have your family pray and revive a man who has been dead for a week. That will be impressive.

"I don't know why every prayer isn't answered but God does." If your god is going to do whatever he wants, what's the point in praying? Also, it's a fact that we all will die, so that means that eventually your prayers/luck will run out.

"I do know that he loves us very much and that we need him to make it through this life." He doesn't seem to have much love for the starving, thirsty, diseased children in Africa.
Iknow4fact wrote:
He doesn't limit himself to crippled people. I know a couple of people personally that have been pronounced dead and the family prayed and the Lord brought them back to life. One was my brother-in-law so I know that it is true. I don't know why every prayer isn't answered but God does. I do know that he loves us very much and that we need him to make it through this life. We also need him so that we can live forever in Heaven and not in Hell in torment. Don't know about you, but this world has enough torment in it for me and I don't want to spend eternity in more!! The Devil walks around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, that's why this world is the way that it is. God didn't cause it to be this way, the Devil did by confusing people,to try to destroy them. Sadly, it has worked on so many! God help us!! Not all of my prayers are answered either, but I've learned that God knows what is best for us and in the end, it always works out.
Nobama

Cadiz, KY

#155 Jun 13, 2012
Anti-theist wrote:
"He doesn't limit himself to crippled people." Why doesn't your god answer the prayers of amputees?
"I know a couple of people personally that have been pronounced dead and the family prayed and the Lord brought them back to life." Then they didn't really die. Have your family pray and revive a man who has been dead for a week. That will be impressive.
"I don't know why every prayer isn't answered but God does." If your god is going to do whatever he wants, what's the point in praying? Also, it's a fact that we all will die, so that means that eventually your prayers/luck will run out.
"I do know that he loves us very much and that we need him to make it through this life." He doesn't seem to have much love for the starving, thirsty, diseased children in Africa.
<quoted text>
There you go blaming God again for what WE have caused. God will do away with all these things but until He does, we have to suffer for the things we brought among ourselves. I don't believe the God will burn people for an eternity, that is NOT the way I have read it or understand it. The bible tells that all things wicked will be cast into a lake of fire. This lake of fire is symbolic. How can the this lake of fire be hell, when it says that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. The true meaning of hell is the grave as it is the original definition of it in the Greek language. This lake of fire is an instant destruction of all things cast into it. They will be no more. A fire that burns from sulfur and brimstone burns so hot that anything that is cast into it will vaporize. That tells me that it is not a torture but an end. Satan wants people to believe that God would do that and satan also wants people to believe God is to blame for all the evil that goes on in this world but in reality it is he and the wicked people that are to blame.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#156 Jun 13, 2012
"There you go blaming God again for what WE have caused." I don't blame your god for anything because your god is make-believe. That would be like blaming Spiderman.

"I don't believe the God will burn people for an eternity, that is NOT the way I have read it or understand it." Jesus of the New Testament rants and raves about lakes of fire and burning furnaces. He threats those who refuse to follow him. You should read it.

"The true meaning of hell is the grave as it is the original definition of it in the Greek language." Oh, rewriting the Bible are you? Well, that's progress of a kind, considering that not so long ago your "interpretation" of hell was practically unheard of in the Christian world. At least you have a conscience.

I find death, a dreamless, endless sleep, far more preferable than an eternity in the Christian "heaven," prostrating and groveling, worshiping the Eternal Slave Master forever and ever. That sounds like hell to me.
Nobama wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go blaming God again for what WE have caused. God will do away with all these things but until He does, we have to suffer for the things we brought among ourselves. I don't believe the God will burn people for an eternity, that is NOT the way I have read it or understand it. The bible tells that all things wicked will be cast into a lake of fire. This lake of fire is symbolic. How can the this lake of fire be hell, when it says that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. The true meaning of hell is the grave as it is the original definition of it in the Greek language. This lake of fire is an instant destruction of all things cast into it. They will be no more. A fire that burns from sulfur and brimstone burns so hot that anything that is cast into it will vaporize. That tells me that it is not a torture but an end. Satan wants people to believe that God would do that and satan also wants people to believe God is to blame for all the evil that goes on in this world but in reality it is he and the wicked people that are to blame.
godless

United States

#157 Jun 13, 2012
Iknow4fact wrote:
He doesn't limit himself to crippled people. I know a couple of people personally that have been pronounced dead and the family prayed and the Lord brought them back to life. One was my brother-in-law so I know that it is true. I don't know why every prayer isn't answered but God does. I do know that he loves us very much and that we need him to make it through this life. We also need him so that we can live forever in Heaven and not in Hell in torment. Don't know about you, but this world has enough torment in it for me and I don't want to spend eternity in more!! The Devil walks around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, that's why this world is the way that it is. God didn't cause it to be this way, the Devil did by confusing people,to try to destroy them. Sadly, it has worked on so many! God help us!! Not all of my prayers are answered either, but I've learned that God knows what is best for us and in the end, it always works out.
God didnt bring your brother in law back to life the doctors & nurses did. If it hadnt of been for them, he would have died.
wow.

Georgetown, IN

#158 Jun 13, 2012
Nobama wrote:
<quoted text>There you go blaming God again for what WE have caused. God will do away with all these things but until He does, we have to suffer for the things we brought among ourselves. I don't believe the God will burn people for an eternity, that is NOT the way I have read it or understand it. The bible tells that all things wicked will be cast into a lake of fire. This lake of fire is symbolic. How can the this lake of fire be hell, when it says that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. The true meaning of hell is the grave as it is the original definition of it in the Greek language. This lake of fire is an instant destruction of all things cast into it. They will be no more. A fire that burns from sulfur and brimstone burns so hot that anything that is cast into it will vaporize. That tells me that it is not a torture but an end. Satan wants people to believe that God would do that and satan also wants people to believe God is to blame for all the evil that goes on in this world but in reality it is he and the wicked people that are to blame.
How is there free will when he is all powerful and all knowing?
pagan

Owensboro, KY

#159 Jun 13, 2012
I'm curious if god knows all then why make Lucifer? He knew he what he would do so why make him?
Iknow4fact

Lakeville, MN

#161 Jun 13, 2012
Godless- to your comment that the doctors and nurses brought my brother-in-law back. They wasn't working on him anymore and had come out to tell the family that he had died. Several minutes later, while the family was praying, they went back in to do what they had to do to unhook whatever was hooked up, he started breathing again. It was God that brought him back!

Anti-theist- to your comment that God does what ever he wants to do- yes he does because he knows what's best for us. Sometimes we pray for things that are not the best thing for us. As far as amputees, I know that God can heal them just as easy as he did my brother-in-law and I'm sure that he has before, we just haven't heard about it. He also has more love than anybody else for the starving and sick all over the world. Alot of that stuff has been brought on by themselves. Alot hasn't. Most of the time we have noone but ourselves to blame for alot of stuff that we go through in this life because of bad decisions.
Old teller

United States

#162 Jun 13, 2012
Iknow4fact wrote:
Godless- to your comment that the doctors and nurses brought my brother-in-law back. They wasn't working on him anymore and had come out to tell the family that he had died. Several minutes later, while the family was praying, they went back in to do what they had to do to unhook whatever was hooked up, he started breathing again. It was God that brought him back!
Anti-theist- to your comment that God does what ever he wants to do- yes he does because he knows what's best for us. Sometimes we pray for things that are not the best thing for us. As far as amputees, I know that God can heal them just as easy as he did my brother-in-law and I'm sure that he has before, we just haven't heard about it. He also has more love than anybody else for the starving and sick all over the world. Alot of that stuff has been brought on by themselves. Alot hasn't. Most of the time we have noone but ourselves to blame for alot of stuff that we go through in this life because of bad decisions.
Lol so are u telling me that praying for my arm to come back do I can hold my kids, play baseball, etc is not good for me ? U do know the bible is the cliff notes of the Jewish bible which is 4 times larger, do u know that over the years people have rewritten it? King James the 3rd forced the church to rewrite it so he can devorce his wife, who knows how many revision this things had, over the years,

Since: Apr 10

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#163 Jun 13, 2012
"Anti-theist- to your comment that God does what ever he wants to do- yes he does because he knows what's best for us. Sometimes we pray for things that are not the best thing for us." Apparently, your god thinks that the best thing for African children is starvation, disease and death. What a great guy.

"As far as amputees, I know that God can heal them just as easy as he did my brother-in-law and I'm sure that he has before, we just haven't heard about it." Give one example of an amputee growing a limb back as a result of prayer. Lots of luck.

"He also has more love than anybody else for the starving and sick all over the world" No, because much of the world is sick and starving. Your god is either all-powerful and doesn't care or caring and impotent. Which is it?

"Most of the time we have noone but ourselves to blame for alot of stuff that we go through in this life because of bad decisions." What have African children done to deserve their misery? What have amputees done to make your god hate them?
Iknow4fact wrote:
Godless- to your comment that the doctors and nurses brought my brother-in-law back. They wasn't working on him anymore and had come out to tell the family that he had died. Several minutes later, while the family was praying, they went back in to do what they had to do to unhook whatever was hooked up, he started breathing again. It was God that brought him back!
Anti-theist- to your comment that God does what ever he wants to do- yes he does because he knows what's best for us. Sometimes we pray for things that are not the best thing for us. As far as amputees, I know that God can heal them just as easy as he did my brother-in-law and I'm sure that he has before, we just haven't heard about it. He also has more love than anybody else for the starving and sick all over the world. Alot of that stuff has been brought on by themselves. Alot hasn't. Most of the time we have noone but ourselves to blame for alot of stuff that we go through in this life because of bad decisions.

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