Vote against Centerville levy

Vote against Centerville levy

There are 4 comments on the Dayton Daily News story from Apr 25, 2009, titled Vote against Centerville levy. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

Vote no on Issue 11. The Centerville school board is asking for more of your after-tax income to support administrators and teachers who earn a great deal more than the average worker while only working 180 days a year.

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aguyindayton

Cincinnati, OH

#1 Apr 27, 2009
I am also having trouble supporting the Centerville School levy. Excellence in education is mostly the role of the parent enforcing the information and concepts learned in school.

57% more students are now involved in the "arts" due to the new PAC; what does that work out to per student if the cost of the building was 9 million dollars or so. If we/Centerville need all of the physical attributes the school has to produce ďexcellentĒ student; how has our society accomplished all that it has up to this point?

The entire economy is stressed and many are losing their jobs or taking significant pay cuts; and yet it seems that the school just canít function without additional funding. Perhaps the school system should concentrate on academics and not be concerned with all of the other attributes; all the mental health services, donít we pay for them through the county? School of Possibilities for those that could not or would not function in the ďregular schoolĒ; there are GED programs available throughout the county for those that donít want a traditional education. Seems to me that many of the services being provided by the school system are available through other publicly funded organizations; are we paying twice for serviced rendered.

Now, there is talk of dropping foreign language training/classes from the middle schools; that makes no sense to me. Punish the talented students and continue to fund the ones that do not want to learn. Everyone I know is cutting back and adjusting to the current economic situation; why does the school system find that so difficult comprehend.
anonymous

Dayton, OH

#2 May 5, 2009
Posts like this show absolute ignorance. It is a known fact that we need better educated individuals not less educated ones. Without passing the levy the majority of programs that will be reduced and cut are those for the above average student taking advanced and honors courses. Those students that "don't want to learn": They are covered under the "American's with Disability Act". The school district (thus YOU) are required by law to educate those students--they are removed from the "regular" classroom to increase their chance that they can succeed. The district does get some additional funds from the state to educated those kids. Those programs can't be cut! You want those kids to go get a GED. I volunteer in a community service organization in Dayton. Our GED class is full as are many of the others around the county. It actually costs more to educate a student through GED than it does to educate them through the public school program. Additionally their chance at success once leaving high school without a diploma dramatically drops. Many GED students are collecting gov't assistance in some form because they don't have enough education to get a job. Bottom line--you are going to pay either way. Why not pay up front--it will end up costing you less in the long run and maybe, just maybe one of those kids that get educated at the School of Possibility goes on to college and finds a cure for cancer. Who knows? Certainly not you! I have children that benefit from those advanced and honor classes. I moved to Centerville from Kettering so they could have that better education. I have worked with kids that need the School of Possibility. All of them need to be educated. The costs to society of not doing so are great and long term. Like I said, either way, YOU end up paying. I chose to pay NOW!
jwspringboro

Hamilton, OH

#3 May 6, 2009
We moved from Centerville to Springboro a few years ago, and supporting the schools in both communities is expensive. This isn't because of teachers being over-paid (more on that later). It's because these communities demand high performing schools in many ways. That's a good thing. If we don't care what kind of education our children get, then that's a problem.

Where do we draw the line? Well, that's up to the community. If you're willing to pay for more, then the schools can provide more services. If not, then some things don't get done, and it's pretty clear that the school boards in these cities do a great job of cutting things that will have the least impact on student learning. But let's not kid ourselves. Any cuts will impact someone, whether it's the lack of foreign language instruction or the lack of busing that contributes to some students missing more school than they would otherwise.

The acceptable level of service is bound to change over time, particularly when we're experiencing economic downturns. But, we shouldn't turn on our schools. We need to think long and hard about where the acceptable line is for us individually and for the community. Schools do affect property values, too, and other things, so there's more to it than student education. The community shouldn't treat the schools as adversaries. The schools are there to provide a service to us, and we have to trust that they are making good decisions with the money. Both communities provide opportunities for citizens to help set the direction and tone, choose programs, and input into decision-making. We either need to trust them or get involved and help.

Teacher pay - what kind of comment was that? I've worked in industry and in the schools, so I think I can make a decent comparison. While teachers are at school, they spend nearly all of their time with students. Their "free" time is the only time they have to develop lesson plans, contact parents, help students catch up, grade papers, etc. When teaching, getting ready for class means spending nights and weekends preparing. Please - walk in the shoes of a teacher before making such callous comments about teachers pay and hours!
aguyindayton

Cincinnati, OH

#4 May 21, 2009
I have been a teacher in a high school and I have been a teacher in a community college. I have also been an educator for a corporation, so I do realize the extra effort that it entails. I see that deputies are being laid off in law enforcement and WSU is downsizing. For sure we need better educated youth and I am all for that. We pay County taxes and many other taxes to handle the students that donít want to participate in regular schools. I spend a lot of time with the students that should not be in the ďgeneral populationĒ; students that really donít CARE. If you donít think there are disruptive students in classes in our schools ask your children. There are legitimate children that IDEA and NCLB are designed to help, but there are many children that do not or will not learn because they ďdonít want toĒ. The GED classes I assist in are full also; full of adults that need a new job and can not find one without a high school degree. But, these are serious students; they know the value of an education. The ones that donít get it usually do not return from the first break. If we are paying the county or the city to educate the ones that donít fit in our schools, why pay again for programs in the school system. Students spend all of 182 days in school and only 7 hours of each day. If they do not have the desire to learn or the motivation then the outlook is dismal. I donít mind paying now; I just donít want to pay twice.

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