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LOL Really

Dayton, OH

#25785 Jul 16, 2013
Boro Backer, I think you're over analyzing Doug's posts. The way I read them, the schools aren't necessarily failures but they aren't doing nearly as well as they could or should be. I agree based on the stats he posts.

Regarding the teachers being greedy... The union heads control the contract deals... The teachers union benefits exceed those that we receive in the private sector. So who's the greedy one?

Being lazy, surely not all but some. I could name a 1/2 dozen or so, based on comments and opinions from my own children and friends of theirs.

I know a 7th grade math teacher in particular, who constantly sent my kids classroom to Penda and Study Island to do math homework. This is an epic 'fail' in my opinion. It's no wonder Match scores are so low.
Technology

Dayton, OH

#25786 Jul 16, 2013
LOL Really wrote:
Boro Backer, I think you're over analyzing Doug's posts. The way I read them, the schools aren't necessarily failures but they aren't doing nearly as well as they could or should be. I agree based on the stats he posts.
Regarding the teachers being greedy... The union heads control the contract deals... The teachers union benefits exceed those that we receive in the private sector. So who's the greedy one?
Being lazy, surely not all but some. I could name a 1/2 dozen or so, based on comments and opinions from my own children and friends of theirs.
I know a 7th grade math teacher in particular, who constantly sent my kids classroom to Penda and Study Island to do math homework. This is an epic 'fail' in my opinion. It's no wonder Match scores are so low.
Isn't that what the board is pushing - technology in the classroom? Maybe you should complain to them.
Oh Yeah

Cincinnati, OH

#25787 Jul 16, 2013
Technology wrote:
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Isn't that what the board is pushing - technology in the classroom? Maybe you should complain to them.
Oh yeah ... complain to the board? you betcha .... just as soon as we get our great education gods, Malone and Stucky, on the "other side of the table"... you betcha! Let the complaints to the board begin! Finally when we get Malone and Stuckey in the board room hot seat, we will learn the truth about just "which one is lying." If we can get the pro-union lovers of tax and spend
"herded" into the BOE "interrogation" room, then we finally turn up the heat and really "burn out" that old has been a high school principal, Ron Malone.
Stand Up For Kids

Cincinnati, OH

#25788 Jul 16, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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That would not help all of the other children mired in a system that you describe. I have never described our teachers as you have so derisively. I have criticized, and will continue to criticize, a system that forgoes its primary mission in place of semantic achievement.
To pretend that PROFICIENT means anything less than FAILURE is to practice a degree of intellectual dishonesty I am not prepared to embrace.
If the 32% scored on the math achievement assessment test is good enough for the state, why are we worried about a brain drain of teachers in Springboro? Do you really need to be that talented to get your students up to answering 1 question out of 3 correctly?
I have not seen many schools lining up to recruit those levels of educational attainment for college.
We can, and must, do better for ALL the children, not just mine, but ALL the children.
And that, my friend, is who I am fighting for on this blog.
Will you stand up for kids and run for school board election?
Our kids need three good parents, who are cool enough to see through the smoke screen of hot air generated in the board room,
to stand strong for our children first.
LOL Really

Dayton, OH

#25789 Jul 16, 2013
Technology wrote:
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Isn't that what the board is pushing - technology in the classroom? Maybe you should complain to them.
Right. All those teachers, with all those MASTERS degrees ought to know better, yet, rely on 'technology' to do the heavy lifting.

I don't hear any complaints from the brains of the SEA. Don't they know what's best for our children??
More Questions

Cincinnati, OH

#25790 Jul 16, 2013
LOL Really wrote:
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Right. All those teachers, with all those MASTERS degrees ought to know better, yet, rely on 'technology' to do the heavy lifting.
I don't hear any complaints from the brains of the SEA. Don't they know what's best for our children??
Has anyone on this blog actually read the negotiations updates on the Springboro schools website? All of the SEA demands are focused on giving the union more power and control of everything over the superintendent and the board members; there are so many rules and regulations that are so petty! You will notice that pages and pages of these boring demands never mention one benefit to our students; just rules and more rules for the building principals and school administrators to be folded into the union agenda of more power and control for themselves. Parents really need to get into this and better understand exactly what we are buying into with the proposed renewal levy. If parents are not getting improved service from the union teachers, and the union teachers are shutting parents out of their union business with the terms of this new contract, then why should we parents vote to renewal levy of big bucks for nothing in return?
Stand Up For Kids

Cincinnati, OH

#25791 Jul 16, 2013
Technology wrote:
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Isn't that what the board is pushing - technology in the classroom? Maybe you should complain to them.
Maybe you should inform yourself of the State Department of Education laws that are pushing technology in the classroom. Our children first board members are merely doing what's right for our children's 21st century education; but obviously our collective bargaining laws of our State giving teachers the legal right to walk out on our children's classroom education are the only state laws the SEA/union activists are "pushing." Too bad none of the teachers will stand up for kids. But that's just the kind of union teacher in every classroom is mandated by law for S-U-R-E.
What

Lebanon, OH

#25792 Jul 16, 2013
Technology wrote:
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Isn't that what the board is pushing - technology in the classroom? Maybe you should complain to them.
Are you insane, technology is a tool for the skilled craftsman to utilize. CAD stands for Computer Aided Design, the key word is aided. The machine still needs to be set to run by what we call a human.
Just logging out of a class and dialing it in is not using technology as a tool, but instead as a way to get out of doing your job.
TV Land

Cincinnati, OH

#25793 Jul 16, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Reading my morning copy of the Dayton Daily I note that Mr. Budd missed the point of the policy proposal being discussed regarding controversial issues.
Little did anyone know that the policy dealing with controversial issues that arise in the classroom would itself be controversial.
The main crux of the policy is to require teachers to present both sides of an issue to the students when they arise in the course of normal classroom activities.
The policy in NO way, shape, or form advocates the teaching of creationism any more than it promotes abortion. It simply requires teachers to not advocate one side over the other, but to present both sides of an issue to the children
The list of topics the board feels would benefit from a free and open discourse of ideas from both sides of an issue include:
sex education
legalization of drugs
evolution/creationism
pro-life/abortion
contraception/abstinence
conservatism/liberalism
politics
gun rights
global warming
global cooling
climate change
sustainable development
Who but the union and its supporters would have a problem with both sides of an issue being presented for debate and discussion?
As anyone who has lived a longer life, their are seldom issues that present themselves in strictly black and white terms. Life is filled with the grey area which makes it interesting. Teaching our children to begin the process of analyzing and interpreting various points and counterpoints in presentations will make them more confident in their ability to understand life in general.
ONe final side note is the fact Mr. Budd failed to mention the most salient point of the night. The notice given by the Budget and Finance Committee that it would support a renewal levy in November seems to have been lost in the psuedo issue described above.
Too bad, because that was really the big news of the night.
Too bad for the Springboro Education Association that their negotiating tactics played out so negatively in front of the TV news cameras. Their bad behavior expressing such greed, with absolutely no thanks nor gratitude for the good wages and benefits that they already possess, certainly gives pause to one's response on whether or not to "pay up" at the polls with this renewal levy vote in November. Why in the world would Springboro citizens for responsbile spending even consider rewarding the Springboro Education Association for such inappropriate behavior? Our school children deserve better role models. Our community has already paid enough and what have we received in return? Why should taxpayers reward such poor performance of educators with more money? They will only come back for more in two years, with the same old emotionally blackmail with the same old threats of striking against Springboro homeowners for more money.
There is no end to the union bridge leading nowhere; just an endless waste of taxpayers dollars.
Technology

Dayton, OH

#25794 Jul 16, 2013
What wrote:
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Are you insane, technology is a tool for the skilled craftsman to utilize. CAD stands for Computer Aided Design, the key word is aided. The machine still needs to be set to run by what we call a human.
Just logging out of a class and dialing it in is not using technology as a tool, but instead as a way to get out of doing your job.
Well I'm not insane but I am informed - much more than you claim to be. Technology and CAD are two completely different things. Computer Aided Design is specifically used in the manufacturing world to design parts, not to mention other engineering fields. The fact that you think CAD has anything to do with computers is quite shameful. Playing games, using Microsoft tools, scanning the internet, writing on this blog, and using the computer for learning games, is completely different than CAD work. In fact I would bet that Springboro doesn't even have a computer that has any CAD software on it - you would have to go to the career center for that - even though it is something that any future engineer should know when they get to college.

As for getting out of doing a job by allowing the students to work on the computers - I agree, I would much rather see a teacher teach. Although, take a look at the far right side of politics, they don't think the teachers can teach so they are pushing for kids learning from computers. So which is it, should the kids learn from computers, or from teachers or from both? I would prefer teachers teach with a little bit of online help - maybe some teachers take advantage of this but then others don't use it all.
Thanks Doug

Dayton, OH

#25795 Jul 16, 2013
TV Land wrote:
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Too bad for the Springboro Education Association that their negotiating tactics played out so negatively in front of the TV news cameras. Their bad behavior expressing such greed, with absolutely no thanks nor gratitude for the good wages and benefits that they already possess, certainly gives pause to one's response on whether or not to "pay up" at the polls with this renewal levy vote in November. Why in the world would Springboro citizens for responsbile spending even consider rewarding the Springboro Education Association for such inappropriate behavior? Our school children deserve better role models. Our community has already paid enough and what have we received in return? Why should taxpayers reward such poor performance of educators with more money? They will only come back for more in two years, with the same old emotionally blackmail with the same old threats of striking against Springboro homeowners for more money.
There is no end to the union bridge leading nowhere; just an endless waste of taxpayers dollars.
Doug, I hope you are happy. Now that you have completely smeared the education that is received at Springboro those on this site believe that the renewal levy is not needed and the students will be better served without the money.

Maybe if when you are smearing the Springboro education system you could at least include the rest of the state and identify the state's failed students. By comparison we are not that bad, furthermore, for what we are getting, we are paying far less for it. But then you would only want people to believe that Springboro is the only community with this problem - shame on you.

Maybe a reminder that a failed renewal levy would hurt every single child in the district (going against everything the BOE stands for) and would cause the school to be taken over by the state. Do you think that the state can do better? Does anyone on this site truly believe that the district can be sustained without the renewal levy? Ask any member of the BOE - they all believe a renewal is necessary!
Big Loud And Rich

Cincinnati, OH

#25796 Jul 16, 2013
Thanks Doug wrote:
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Doug, I hope you are happy. Now that you have completely smeared the education that is received at Springboro those on this site believe that the renewal levy is not needed and the students will be better served without the money.
Maybe if when you are smearing the Springboro education system you could at least include the rest of the state and identify the state's failed students. By comparison we are not that bad, furthermore, for what we are getting, we are paying far less for it. But then you would only want people to believe that Springboro is the only community with this problem - shame on you.
Maybe a reminder that a failed renewal levy would hurt every single child in the district (going against everything the BOE stands for) and would cause the school to be taken over by the state. Do you think that the state can do better? Does anyone on this site truly believe that the district can be sustained without the renewal levy? Ask any member of the BOE - they all believe a renewal is necessary!
lol! how fearful you sound! It would probably amaze everyone on this site to learn firsthand just exactly how much can be accomplished without much money. Most likely it would sharpen up those necessary problem solving skills that are so necessary for our students to survive in the real world.
TV Land

Cincinnati, OH

#25797 Jul 16, 2013
Thanks Doug wrote:
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Doug, I hope you are happy. Now that you have completely smeared the education that is received at Springboro those on this site believe that the renewal levy is not needed and the students will be better served without the money.
Maybe if when you are smearing the Springboro education system you could at least include the rest of the state and identify the state's failed students. By comparison we are not that bad, furthermore, for what we are getting, we are paying far less for it. But then you would only want people to believe that Springboro is the only community with this problem - shame on you.
Maybe a reminder that a failed renewal levy would hurt every single child in the district (going against everything the BOE stands for) and would cause the school to be taken over by the state. Do you think that the state can do better? Does anyone on this site truly believe that the district can be sustained without the renewal levy? Ask any member of the BOE - they all believe a renewal is necessary!
My name isn't Doug. But I am Happy! And smart enough to know that the the STATE taking over Springboro schools could never be as harmful to our children's future as this hostile Springboro Education Association take-over that we now see happening.
Whether or not the renewal levy passes, it is just "kicking the can" down the road for two more years; and then we are right back with the threat of teachers strike, again, if we don't pass a new levy to increase teachers pay. No matter who wins, our children lose with this failed State plan of blackmailing for dollars, holding our parents hostage for increased pay for teachers.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25798 Jul 16, 2013
Technology wrote:
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Well I'm not insane but I am informed - much more than you claim to be. Technology and CAD are two completely different things. Computer Aided Design is specifically used in the manufacturing world to design parts, not to mention other engineering fields. The fact that you think CAD has anything to do with computers is quite shameful. Playing games, using Microsoft tools, scanning the internet, writing on this blog, and using the computer for learning games, is completely different than CAD work. In fact I would bet that Springboro doesn't even have a computer that has any CAD software on it - you would have to go to the career center for that - even though it is something that any future engineer should know when they get to college.
As for getting out of doing a job by allowing the students to work on the computers - I agree, I would much rather see a teacher teach. Although, take a look at the far right side of politics, they don't think the teachers can teach so they are pushing for kids learning from computers. So which is it, should the kids learn from computers, or from teachers or from both? I would prefer teachers teach with a little bit of online help - maybe some teachers take advantage of this but then others don't use it all.
Technology to a chimp is a rock used to bash something or someone. Technology (from Greek &#964;&#941;&#967; &#957;&#951;, techne, "art, skill, cunning of hand"; and -&#955;&#959;&#947 ;&#943;&#945;,-logia[1 ]) is the making, modification, usage, and knowledge of tools, machines, techniques, crafts, systems, and methods of organization, in order to solve a problem, improve a preexisting solution to a problem, achieve a goal, handle an applied input/output relation or perform a specific function. It can also refer to the collection of such tools, including machinery, modifications, arrangements and procedures. Technologies significantly affect human as well as other animal species' ability to control and adapt to their natural environments. The term can either be applied generally or to specific areas: examples include construction technology, medical technology, and information technology.

The human species' use of technology began with the conversion of natural resources into simple tools. The prehistorical discovery of the ability to control fire increased the available sources of food and the invention of the wheel helped humans in travelling in and controlling their environment. Recent technological developments, including the printing press, the telephone, and the Internet, have lessened physical barriers to communication and allowed humans to interact freely on a global scale.

Utilizing the existing technology in concert with old fashion teaching methods can have a positive synergistic effect on learning.

And in the end isn't that what we are all searching for in this conversation.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25799 Jul 16, 2013
Thanks Doug wrote:
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Doug, I hope you are happy. Now that you have completely smeared the education that is received at Springboro those on this site believe that the renewal levy is not needed and the students will be better served without the money.
Maybe if when you are smearing the Springboro education system you could at least include the rest of the state and identify the state's failed students. By comparison we are not that bad, furthermore, for what we are getting, we are paying far less for it. But then you would only want people to believe that Springboro is the only community with this problem - shame on you.
Maybe a reminder that a failed renewal levy would hurt every single child in the district (going against everything the BOE stands for) and would cause the school to be taken over by the state. Do you think that the state can do better? Does anyone on this site truly believe that the district can be sustained without the renewal levy? Ask any member of the BOE - they all believe a renewal is necessary!
I have only reported the state of affairs as they exist sans the state sanctioned veneers. Friendly sounding euphemisms like PROFICIENT make FAILURE sound down right acceptable. FAILURE is not an option which is acceptable for these children.

Pretending that all is well in education just because everyone else is saying it's so is cowardly.

Making believe that 42% on the Ohio Graduation Test in math is preparing a student for life in the working world is a disservice the child will learn to rue.

Falsely claiming that learning less than half the material over a nine year educational effort is somehow good enough cheats our children and our taxpayers.

Cheering the fact that 93% of our children scored better than 42% on the Ohio Graduation Test is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty only Mr. Malone could admire.

We cannot do a thing for the rest of the state.

We can, however, do something right here right now in Springboro, OH.

The children deserve an honest effort.
Glockman

Farmington, CT

#25800 Jul 16, 2013
One Change - Fat Chance wrote:
Yes, Mr. Williamson's information should be sent to the local media. It would be very enlightening if the general public would realize this...
Springboro schools are just too tax happy and need to realize that the taxpayers are NOT their personal ATM.
They should collect Leon Harrison's back taxes.
Facts vs Opinions

Cincinnati, OH

#25801 Jul 17, 2013
Big Loud And Rich wrote:
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lol! how fearful you sound! It would probably amaze everyone on this site to learn firsthand just exactly how much can be accomplished without much money. Most likely it would sharpen up those necessary problem solving skills that are so necessary for our students to survive in the real world.
Contrary to the opinions of some who protest "it takes more money" to educate our children, facts have now proven that it takes Good Stewardship of our money, ensuring a quality classroom education for all students, living within our children's first budget framework, by adhering to responsible spending.

During the past five years, Springboro parent Kelly Kohls has worked tirelessly throughout our neighborhoods and schools, educating Springboro voters "Yes We Can" afford financial fairness to both the SEA/SCEA union members, and the Springboro community of taxpayers (who generously support union members employed in our school district in a most excellent with distinction manner.)
Last night for the first time ever, Springboro BOE President, Kelly Kohls, presented to the public, a contract with pay increases for teachers, and a renewal levy on the November ballot, with a tax reduction for every Springboro family!
Thanks, Kelly!..... This Says It All!
Good Neighbor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#25802 Jul 17, 2013
Vote For Success wrote:
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We will Remember in November how things used to be "left behind" for our children's classroom education by previously BOE elected officials and former school district administrators.
We have marked our calendar for Tuesday, November 5th and sending a clear message to Springboro parnts and taxpaying homeowners why we all should VOTE FOR SUCCESS and re-elect board representative, Kelly Kohls! Springboro loves our children first! We Love Kelly!
We can see no reason at all why Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners should not vote for Kelly Kohls and Our Children First success in on November 5, 2013! What's Not To Love!
Why would anyone who cares about our children's education join the Vote for Revenge campaign of the OEA/SEA, whose only agenda is their strong opposition to our school district's new leadership and financial philosophy of "children first budgeting!"
We will Remember in November that The time has come to Support Our Success of Our Fiscally Responsible Springboro Schools Board of Education representatives. Under the leadership of our BOE president, Dr. Kelly Kohls, our board prioritizes our Kids in every decision.
Before Dr. Kohls got on this school board, this school district projected a $30 million deficit.
Now, this school district projects a $5 million surplus, AFTER replacing many things taken from the children during the levy campaigns.
This school board has now added many curriculum and safety measures for the children of our district.(And all of this without new money out of taxpayers pockets). What Changed?
Simply put, our children first budgeting school board representatives have become much more efficient! This board is now holding people accountable and the school board and school district leaders are making ALL decisions using what is good for education and our children as our priority!
Why would any Springboro parent not say Thank You to our board representatives for putting "our children's 21st century education" FIRST?
Kids First Academic Investments -
The past five-year budget forecast did not include textbooks. This year, this school board purchased $400,000 in new textbooks for the K-5 levels, and we the board has budgeted $2 million over the next 4 years for future textbooks. Under the leadership of fiscally responsible board president, Dr. Kohls, this board has now budgeted for more materials and supplies to the classroom, more special education, and gifted services.
Our children first budgeting plan IS working!
Why would any taxpayer not support our success by voting YES for November School Renewal Levy and Vote YES for FOUR more years of successful leadership of our BOE president, Dr. Kelly Kohls!
Thank You, Dr. Kohls, for helping our schools and community be a WAY BETTER place to live, learn, work, and Play Sports!
G-O P-A-N-T-H-E-R-S!
Springboro Parent, Kelly Kohls, presiding as board president at the July 16 Springboro Board of Education Meeting - Special;
delivered great news to our schools and community, as our
school children and their teachers look forward to the beginning of a new school year....You can go to the school website and click on the Board of Education heading; then the July 16 Board of Education Meeting Agenda to learn details of the Springboro Education Association Tentative Agreement Presented to Membership July 15, 2013; AND Resolution Declaring It Necessary to Renew A Portion of An Existing Tax Levy in Excess of the Ten-Mill Limitation.
Thanks Doug

Dayton, OH

#25803 Jul 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
I have only reported the state of affairs as they exist sans the state sanctioned veneers. Friendly sounding euphemisms like PROFICIENT make FAILURE sound down right acceptable. FAILURE is not an option which is acceptable for these children.
Pretending that all is well in education just because everyone else is saying it's so is cowardly.
Making believe that 42% on the Ohio Graduation Test in math is preparing a student for life in the working world is a disservice the child will learn to rue.
Falsely claiming that learning less than half the material over a nine year educational effort is somehow good enough cheats our children and our taxpayers.
Cheering the fact that 93% of our children scored better than 42% on the Ohio Graduation Test is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty only Mr. Malone could admire.
We cannot do a thing for the rest of the state.
We can, however, do something right here right now in Springboro, OH.
The children deserve an honest effort.
What are you suggesting?(A bulleted list would be preferred).
Picture It

Cincinnati, OH

#25804 Jul 17, 2013
Stay Alert Voters wrote:
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The public has now been given a clear picture of the on-going board and policy violations of the Boosters Board officials' contempt for "doing booster business within legal requirements" as agreed between Springboro Taxpayers BOE elected officials and athletic boosters board officials.
So why do we have Booster Board Official, Tiffany Carlisle, in public meetings advising our Budget/Finance Committee chairman on how our school tax dollars should be spent; when she is so inept and irresponsible in her financial duties to protect our children's best interest in sports activities and our school's overall athletic program?
Voters will remember that during the 2011 school board campaign that Tiffany Carlisle (among other Babb for Boro supporters) was grandstanding in public meetings and throughout our neighborhoods against our children first budgeting school board candidates, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano, falsely accusing that sports would be cut if Lisa Babb was not elected as board representative.
What hypocrites are these Springboro parents who have continued
their war of words, campaigning against our children first budgeting BOE majority and Springboro taxpayers.
Voters should stay alert and refuse to be deceived by parents of the activist group Springboro United for Responsible Education who are now falsely accusing board representatives of "having no respect for teachers." This is mainly the same group of parents that rallied with Booster board officer Tiffany Carlisle at North Park last summer, in their efforts to hold on to their power and control of this big financial scam that now has been brought to light by the good work of board representatives Mrs.Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr. Rigano.
Now that we have a new school superintendent and a new athletic director who are a good "fit" with our school district's new philosophy of children first in every financial decision of our BOE, Springboro taxpayers should stay alert and stay engaged in the "education business" of our school children.
Inquiring minds would like to see the new athletic director give regular Accountability reports to the public during the public school board meetings.
Listen Up people... picture the public behavior of bad Babb for Boro rallying up vote for revenge! Picture Lisa Babb behaving just as badly as a public official of the Springboro Board of Education
as she behaves as a failed school board candidate. Now let's ask ourselves "can a woman burned badly by scorn and defeat ever learn to be cool enough to warm our hearts as our elected school board representative?

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