Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Huh????? So businesses in Dayton support the schools? With tax dollars? Please provide some clarity.
I think it means people who live here work elsewhere
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Let me elucidate for you. When you make statements like yours that 20% for Dayton children would be "sterling" it is clear that you are a racist! If you not then answer why 20% would be "sterling" for Dayton children.
It is clear by your statements you have no idea who you are addressing or the author's heritage.

Simply by screaming "Racist!" does not win an argument , it is no argument.

You are aware that yellow children, brown children, white children, and mixed heritage also attend Dayton Public Schools?

The fact that only 9/10's of 1% or just 9 children total out of 1023 can pass a basic 8th grade OAA test is not cause for your concern?

The fact that these children are being cheated out of a future is not of concern to you?

These abysmal results is what demonstrates the absolute lack of learning going on in the present school systems across this state, not just Springboro.

Once again, you will be hard pressed to say that all Dayton Public teachers are that incompetent.

Once again, you will be hard pressed to say that all Dayton Public children are that dumb.

Once again, you will be hard pressed to say that it is for lack of money spent on education, Dayton Public Schools spend nearly 2x the amount we do per pupil and get less than 5% of the results.
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Please, full disclosure on who put that document together - most everything the teachers ask for is given the response "Less funds available for other purposes." Well duh let's not buy books or computers or ??? either then we'll have more funds available for other purposes.
Why don't you post an accurate response to the district's proposal. What about their plan to put together a "committee" to review compensation but then are not required to follow the recommendations from the committee. That means, the board can keep anyone's salary the same for an extended period of time and oh by the way, they will also only give a set amount to their medical insurance so if that goes up every year, the teacher's take home pay will get reduced that much every year as well.
So, can you answer questions about their plan to put together a "committee" to review compensation but then are not required to follow the recommendations from the committee...?

What committee are you talking about to "review" compensation?

Are you talking about Lisa Babb's statement in the DDN (as spokesperson for Mr. Petrey's District Parents Council) projecting that the recommendations that she made to Mr. Petrey would be good for the district IF the Board of Education members were REQUIRED to accept and implement Lisa Babb's "recommendations?"
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So, can you answer questions about their plan to put together a "committee" to review compensation but then are not required to follow the recommendations from the committee...?
What committee are you talking about to "review" compensation?
Are you talking about Lisa Babb's statement in the DDN (as spokesperson for Mr. Petrey's District Parents Council) projecting that the recommendations that she made to Mr. Petrey would be good for the district IF the Board of Education members were REQUIRED to accept and implement Lisa Babb's "recommendations?"
The efforts of the union to emasculate the Board of Education can be found Section 1.02 (d) whereby the union strikes out all recognition of the Board of Education as the public's duly elected controlling interest of our school district's management and controlling body.

Instead it appears that they wish to substitute Mr. Petrey's personally anointed "Parent's Council" as the governing body of our school district, effectively controlling the Board of Education with their "recommendations" that are required to be accepted.

Yes, how can this possibly go wrong?
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Please, full disclosure on who put that document together - most everything the teachers ask for is given the response "Less funds available for other purposes." Well duh let's not buy books or computers or ??? either then we'll have more funds available for other purposes.
Why don't you post an accurate response to the district's proposal. What about their plan to put together a "committee" to review compensation but then are not required to follow the recommendations from the committee. That means, the board can keep anyone's salary the same for an extended period of time and oh by the way, they will also only give a set amount to their medical insurance so if that goes up every year, the teacher's take home pay will get reduced that much every year as well.
Wow, medical costs go up and you want someone else to pay for them. Heaven help us if you have to support yourselves the way the rest of us do. Most of us are paying more for less. One look at your plan and I have to wonder what you are crying about.

Try a real high deductible plan that you can afford like so many of your neighbors. High deductible means $2500 per person/$7000 per family, that is a far cry from your $250 per person/$600 per family.

If the cost of gas goes up again will you want us to warrant you so that you don't have to pay anymore for the product?

If the cost of steak goes down, will you be returning part of your salary to the taxpayers?

If you buy a new house and it costs less than your old one you sold will the school district receive the difference?

Anyone else see how ludicrous this argument can become?

Neither the taxpayer, nor anyone else, can or should warrant you from the every one of the possible vagaries of life.

Welcome to our world where uncertainty is a normal condition.
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It is clear by your statements you have no idea who you are addressing or the author's heritage.
Simply by screaming "Racist!" does not win an argument , it is no argument.
You are aware that yellow children, brown children, white children, and mixed heritage also attend Dayton Public Schools?
The fact that only 9/10's of 1% or just 9 children total out of 1023 can pass a basic 8th grade OAA test is not cause for your concern?
The fact that these children are being cheated out of a future is not of concern to you?
These abysmal results is what demonstrates the absolute lack of learning going on in the present school systems across this state, not just Springboro.
Once again, you will be hard pressed to say that all Dayton Public teachers are that incompetent.
Once again, you will be hard pressed to say that all Dayton Public children are that dumb.
Once again, you will be hard pressed to say that it is for lack of money spent on education, Dayton Public Schools spend nearly 2x the amount we do per pupil and get less than 5% of the results.
Still not sure what all this has to do with your statement that 20% for Dayton children would be "sterling." Please just answer the question. WHY WOULD IT BE "STERLING" FOR DAYTON CHILDREN?
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Wow, medical costs go up and you want someone else to pay for them. Heaven help us if you have to support yourselves the way the rest of us do. Most of us are paying more for less. One look at your plan and I have to wonder what you are crying about.
Try a real high deductible plan that you can afford like so many of your neighbors. High deductible means $2500 per person/$7000 per family, that is a far cry from your $250 per person/$600 per family.
If the cost of gas goes up again will you want us to warrant you so that you don't have to pay anymore for the product?
If the cost of steak goes down, will you be returning part of your salary to the taxpayers?
If you buy a new house and it costs less than your old one you sold will the school district receive the difference?
Anyone else see how ludicrous this argument can become?
Neither the taxpayer, nor anyone else, can or should warrant you from the every one of the possible vagaries of life.
Welcome to our world where uncertainty is a normal condition.
Just Watching, why do you even care what happens here? Your posts say you are from this area. Why not go bug people from your neck of the woods and butt out of Springboro's business or better yet get a job and get off this blog. You're a racist, conservative who has no idea what you are talking about you just li,e to complain.
He is from the Boro

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Just Watching, why do you even care what happens here? Your posts say you are from this area. Why not go bug people from your neck of the woods and butt out of Springboro's business or better yet get a job and get off this blog. You're a racist, conservative who has no idea what you are talking about you just li,e to complain.
His name is Doug Weideman
Stop the War of Words

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Just Watching, why do you even care what happens here? Your posts say you are from this area. Why not go bug people from your neck of the woods and butt out of Springboro's business or better yet get a job and get off this blog. You're a racist, conservative who has no idea what you are talking about you just li,e to complain.
Did you know ...The OEA members are some of the worst people I have ever had to deal with as to radical social behavior. They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. This is what the OEA does to people. Stand up to OEA bullies.
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Just Watching, why do you even care what happens here? Your posts say you are from this area. Why not go bug people from your neck of the woods and butt out of Springboro's business or better yet get a job and get off this blog. You're a racist, conservative who has no idea what you are talking about you just li,e to complain.
Sounds like union chief on the war path with scathing attacks of politics of personal destruction! LOL!
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Still not sure what all this has to do with your statement that 20% for Dayton children would be "sterling." Please just answer the question. WHY WOULD IT BE "STERLING" FOR DAYTON CHILDREN?
You tell me, why it wouldn't?
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He is from the Boro wrote:
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His name is Doug Weideman
Duh.
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I wouldn;t exactly call that an outing, Mr. Wiedeman doesn't seem to be afraid to put his name behind his thoughts. Boro must have gone to one of his google docs page links showing the booster accounts balances and the negotiation documents. Pretty impressive detiective work. Care to comment on what he has to say other than calling him a racist?
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Going to the board meeting tonight I hear concern about levies and money that the district needs. We speak about the need for more teachers. I suggest perhaps we stop giving money due to us away. Thus far this year I have witnessed $90,000 donated to the Springboro Youth Basketball,$233,000 in uncollected school fees,$55,000 or so per year taken by the boosters from athletic funding (the amount was most likely double that as no cash was figured into the equation. I mean a guy who has the kahones to write blatant checks to himself is probably not going to worry about taking uncounted cash)

How much stuff would an extra $400,000 per year buy? That would pay for 7 new teachers at the Junior high specializing in math, science, and english.

Or $400,000 would pay for the $95,000 the tech department needs to implement their 21st Century Classroom plus have enough to provide 600 more Chrome Books (laptops for kids)

Or $400,000 would pay for the new women's locker room, the refurbishment of the weight room for the girls, tiling the girls softball field, put a nice downpayment towards the Careflight field turf, redo the track surface, replace the pole vault and high jump pits.

The idea that we go back to the past where we up charged those who were fool enough to pay an additional 25% to get some more money is a certifiable nonstarter.

There is plenty of money in the budget to do most of the things that NEED to be done to enhance our children's learning and experience if we just get serious about husbanding our resources.
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https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0_emPjNYG-pS...

Athletic Booster Spreadsheet that Mr. Holtrey put together to account for booster revenues, expenses, check numbers, dates, description, how much of the fund money went to support the boosters, running fund balances per sport and by the boosters.

You have to scroll through to find your sport, they are in alphabetical order.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0_emPjNYG-pL...

Offer Summary of the union contract proposal

Interesting stuff
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Just Watching wrote:
Going to the board meeting tonight I hear concern about levies and money that the district needs. We speak about the need for more teachers. I suggest perhaps we stop giving money due to us away. Thus far this year I have witnessed $90,000 donated to the Springboro Youth Basketball,$233,000 in uncollected school fees,$55,000 or so per year taken by the boosters from athletic funding (the amount was most likely double that as no cash was figured into the equation. I mean a guy who has the kahones to write blatant checks to himself is probably not going to worry about taking uncounted cash)
How much stuff would an extra $400,000 per year buy? That would pay for 7 new teachers at the Junior high specializing in math, science, and english.
Or $400,000 would pay for the $95,000 the tech department needs to implement their 21st Century Classroom plus have enough to provide 600 more Chrome Books (laptops for kids)
Or $400,000 would pay for the new women's locker room, the refurbishment of the weight room for the girls, tiling the girls softball field, put a nice downpayment towards the Careflight field turf, redo the track surface, replace the pole vault and high jump pits.
The idea that we go back to the past where we up charged those who were fool enough to pay an additional 25% to get some more money is a certifiable nonstarter.
There is plenty of money in the budget to do most of the things that NEED to be done to enhance our children's learning and experience if we just get serious about husbanding our resources.
Any ideas on how to collect the student fees? this makes me angry as a parent who pays my debts!
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Send out a list just like the cities do to every household in the district listing who has paid and who has not.

I bet the once people see their name listed and they forgot or neglected to take care of this, peer pressure, embarrassment, or all of the above would get the cash flowing.
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Right now, as I sit here, I think we paid, but could not answer with any degree of certainty. I would bet that I am not alone.
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Any ideas on how to collect the student fees? this makes me angry as a parent who pays my debts!
Here's a few great ideas!

First thing, send a letter to Mr. Petrey and tell him to stop promoting in public meetings that Springboro is a wealthy community. Tell Mr. Petrey to stop whining in public meetings that he has to "find out what level of service that parents want from already over-burdened local taxpayers and school district voters."
School district voters have sent a clear message to Mr. Petrey that we will fund a quality education for Springboro students, while living within our financial means; and tell Mr. Petrey that his job is to work within the people's "will."

Tell Mr. Petrey to stop promoting Social Justice for Teachers Rights and his current Vote for Revenge "surveys" being conducted by our high school students" (as was projected to the community at last night's public meeting.)

Send a letter to school board member, Mrs. Kuhl, and tell her Thanks for bringing attention at public meetings that everybody in Springboro is not rich; and that parents in this school district owe Springboro taxpayers $225,000.

Send a letter to our school treasurer, Mrs. Jarvis, and tell Mrs. Jarvis to do her job of collecting these fees from parents (who are delinquent in their duties of supporting the education of their own children). Remind Mrs. Jarvis that our existing Board Policy 6152 is in place, and that she is to perform her duties without whining to our "over-worked and under-paid board members" that she needs to be be "told" what to do so that she doesn't have to "take the heat" from parents.
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How about an education that the taxpayers fund, not necessarily one the children find the most fun.

Electives at the Junior High School have not raised the math scores that show 54% of the kids scoring below 63% on the OAA math test in 2012, 2011, 2010, etc,etc.

If you think this year will be any better, of the 7th graders last year, 54% scored below 63% on the OAA 7th grade math test.

Maybe a little less time in fun electives and a little more in the basics would pay dividends. The shortening of the hours of study in the face of results like these must cause one to pause and ponder what were they thinking. Instead of refocusing our attention to a glaring problem area, the union agreed to teach more shorter classes.

The result shortchanges our children who obviously need the instruction, by 18 hours over the course of the year. With just a 6 minute increase in class time from 42 minutes to 48 minutes we would have seen 4.5 weeks worth of extra instruction in a course that we tests results show we are doing poorly.

As Ms. Vincent explained last night, redeploying resources to where they were most needed made sense.
I propose we redeploy some teaching FTE's from the fun electives to the core course of study until we are able to see our children actually make the progress we expect in Math, Science, and English.

We do not have a bad teacher problem, nor a bad student problem, what we do seem to have is a proper resource allocation problem.

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