Springboro Schools To Consider Arming Staff

Jan 10, 2013 Full story: WKRC-TV Cincinnati 18

The Springboro School Board is hosting an open discussion with the Springboro community about whether they should allow their staff members with concealed carry permits to carry weapons on school grounds.

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Anonymous

Dayton, OH

#1 Jan 10, 2013
Doing a root cause analysis, the answer is NOT putting more guns inside our schools (reactive), but in strengthening preventative measures based on the original problems (proactive). The guns used in the Columbine shootings were originally purchased at a gun show where background checks are not required. The Sandy Hook shooter obtained his guns from his mother’s arsenal of weapons. He had known mental health issues, yet his mother took him to rifle ranges as a way to “get closer to her sons.” Her weapons, stockpiled in for her protection in case of an economical collapse, did not protect her...they were used to kill her. In the majority of cases involving youths with guns, the guns were obtained from a relative. Problem solving needs to begin with addressing the root cause: greater incidence of shootings done by youths/young adults ages 17-20; weapons obtained from parents/relatives; no background checks at gun shows; and a lack of available mental health services throughout our country.

David Hemenway, a professor of public health at Harvard University who has studied gun violence, said that teachers with guns would not prevent violence in schools.
"We know that where there's more guns, there's more deaths," Hemenway said. "The evidence is overwhelming."

And...
The report, a synthesis of prior research and analysis conducted by researchers with the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, includes the following key findings:
Easy access to firearms with large-capacity magazines facilitates higher casualties in mass
shootings.“Right-to-carry” gun laws do not reduce violent crime. Prohibiting high-risk groups from having guns–criminals, perpetrators of domestic violence, youths under age 21, substance abusers, and those with severe mental illnesses–and closing loopholes that enable them to have guns are integral and politically feasible steps to reduce gun violence.

http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-ins...

Source of Firearms in Youth Suicides

Among the most tragic suicides are those by young people. Too often youths use their parents’ guns. An NVISS study of firearm suicides among youths ages 17 and under occurring over a two-year period in four states and two counties found that 82% used a firearm belonging to a family member, usually a parent. When storage status was noted, about two-thirds of the firearms had been stored unlocked. Among the remaining cases in which the firearms had been locked, the youth knew the combination or where the key was kept or broke into the cabinet.
Parents may believe that their guns are adequately “hidden” or that their kids would never use them in a suicide attempt. But studies show parents sometimes underestimate their children’s experience handling guns at home. In a study by Baxley and Miller, among gun-owning parents who reported that their children had never handled their firearms at home, 22% of the children, questioned separately, said that they had.
Safe storage makes a difference.
While the risk of youth suicide is lowest in families with no firearms at home, among gun-owning families, youths living in homes in which all firearms are stored unloaded and locked are at lower risk for suicide than those living in homes in which firearms are stored less securely (Grossman 2005).
Read the Consensus Statement on Youth Suicide by Firearms, developed by a multi-disciplinary consortium of experts in 1996.(summary)(full document)
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Baxley F, Miller M. Parental misperceptions about children and firearms. Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine. 2006;160(5):542-7.
Grossman DC, Mueller BA, Riedy C, et al. Gun storage practices and risk of youth suicide and unintentional firearm injuries. JAMA. 2005;293(6):707-14.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/mean...
it could happen here

Germantown, OH

#2 Jan 10, 2013
Boroalumni wrote:
David Hemenway, a professor of public health at Harvard University who has studied gun violence, said that teachers with guns would not prevent violence in schools.
Prof. Hemenway obviously missed or neglectled 50% of the point. Half of the reason for concealed carry in school is to deter an attack. The other half is having ready access to a gun for those type of attackers who aren't easily deterred.
Anonymous

Dayton, OH

#3 Jan 10, 2013
it could happen here wrote:
<quoted text>
Prof. Hemenway obviously missed or neglectled 50% of the point. Half of the reason for concealed carry in school is to deter an attack. The other half is having ready access to a gun for those type of attackers who aren't easily deterred.
And teachers with a handgun are going to protect everyone against assailants with 30 round assault weapons how??
cannotbelievemye yes

Dayton, OH

#4 Jan 10, 2013
This school board is going to be the down fall of Springboro!!! They have only their OWN agendas in mind - only 1 of the board members has their OWN child go to school in the district. The rest do not have kids in school or home school their own kids.. REally and we want you making decisions for our kids?

You are opening up a whole set of other issues now!!! Do what is best for the KIDS not yourselves!!!
Twp resident

Germantown, OH

#5 Jan 10, 2013
cannotbelievemyeyes wrote:
This school board is going to be the down fall of Springboro!!! They have only their OWN agendas in mind - only 1 of the board members has their OWN child go to school in the district. The rest do not have kids in school or home school their own kids.. REally and we want you making decisions for our kids?
You are opening up a whole set of other issues now!!! Do what is best for the KIDS not yourselves!!!
The board having an open community discussion regarding what it takes to protect our teachers and children can hardly be described as "the downfall of Springboro."
spin

Dayton, OH

#6 Jan 10, 2013
cannotbelievemyeyes wrote:
This school board is going to be the down fall of Springboro!!! They have only their OWN agendas in mind - only 1 of the board members has their OWN child go to school in the district. The rest do not have kids in school or home school their own kids.. REally and we want you making decisions for our kids?
You are opening up a whole set of other issues now!!! Do what is best for the KIDS not yourselves!!!
oh please>>> you're begining to sound like the obama administration. Mrs. Babb & like minded clan..stop your b.s.
Springboro Senior

Cincinnati, OH

#7 Jan 10, 2013
cannotbelievemyeyes wrote:
This school board is going to be the down fall of Springboro!!! They have only their OWN agendas in mind - only 1 of the board members has their OWN child go to school in the district. The rest do not have kids in school or home school their own kids.. REally and we want you making decisions for our kids?
You are opening up a whole set of other issues now!!! Do what is best for the KIDS not yourselves!!!
I'm a student at Springboro High School and I completely agree with this. I am a senior and am extremely happy because I no longer have to deal with this board. It's pretty sad that I'm more happy to be a senior so I can get away from our board instead of wanting to graduate and go to college.

Since: Dec 08

Alpharetta, GA

#8 Jan 11, 2013
Boroalumni wrote:
<quoted text>
And teachers with a handgun are going to protect everyone against assailants with 30 round assault weapons how??
How does an unarmed teacher prevent an assault against an assailant with 30 rounds...or 10 rounds...or even 1 round? They can't. Even if the teacher has a mere handgun at least that give them a chance. Without it they have no chance - just like the sandy hook victims.
all of the above

Germantown, OH

#9 Jan 11, 2013
Lerxst wrote:
<quoted text>
How does an unarmed teacher prevent an assault against an assailant with 30 rounds...or 10 rounds...or even 1 round? They can't. Even if the teacher has a mere handgun at least that give them a chance. Without it they have no chance - just like the sandy hook victims.
Just like all events in history, the events at Sandy Hook are coulda woulda shoulda. And of course no one can predict events of the future.

However you're 100% correct. A minimum of three Sandy Hook staff members were in a good place to defend themselves as well as many students in their immediate vicinity... IF those staff members had been trained and armed with concealed carry.
They are the Sandy Hook principal, the psychologist and a first grade teacher, all of which were killed placing themselves in a line of fire.

We all know that placing "Gun Free Zone" stickers on public doors isn't working. In fact these stickers are probably making a lot of us sitting ducks. Can we help curb this school violence problem by adding services for mentally ill? Sure!
But increasing treatment and services for mentally ill isn't in and of itself a warranty that can save our nations schools from potential future gun attacks.

To borrow a current popular political cliche, we collectively should be implementing an "all of the above" approach.
We should of course be looking for individuals with mental issues, as well as streamlining social programs that can help detect such problems before they occur.
There is no practical civilain use for the weapons used at Sandy Hook. A focus should be put on getting semi-automatic weapons put back onto the battlefield where they belong.
Local law enforcement agancies nationwide must work closely with school districts to develop contingency plans to prepare for the possiblity of a gun emergency such as Columbine or Sandy Hook.
At these and other school shootings, we must not forget that police officers haven't been the ones at the scene when the bullets started flying.
School staff were the ones there.

So it's logical for those staff that might volunteer to be licensed concealed gun holders (many already have) that they be permitted by their respective school boards to carry their weapon (concealed ON their body) for the purposes of defense in the unlikely yet potential event of an attack.

As an example let's take Springboro Schools. There are currently 6 instructional buildings in operation. Suppose there might be either 2 or 3 concealed carry staff per building (allowing leeway for teacher absenteeism, etc.).
Six times three is 18.
This means that in the event of a shooting, any one of these 18 concealed carry school staff in this district would need to be immediately visually recognizable by local police as "friendly fire" the instant police might enter the scene of an active shooting. Many within law enforcement both locally and nationally believe scenarios such as this would be very accomplishable.

Student 4 Concealed Carry

Germantown, OH

#10 Jan 16, 2013
all of the above wrote:
<quoted text>

We all know that placing "Gun Free Zone" stickers on public doors isn't working. In fact these stickers are probably making a lot of us sitting ducks. Can we help curb this school violence problem by adding services for mentally ill? Sure!
But increasing treatment and services for mentally ill isn't in and of itself a warranty that can save our nations schools from potential future gun attacks.
To borrow a current popular political cliche, we collectively should be implementing an "all of the above" approach.
We should of course be looking for individuals with mental issues, as well as streamlining social programs that can help detect such problems before they occur.
There is no practical civilain use for the weapons used at Sandy Hook. A focus should be put on getting semi-automatic weapons put back onto the battlefield where they belong.
I agree with president Obama that the manufacturing of certain categories of assault weapons has to stop. But at the same time, while honest citizens may (or MAY NOT) comply with an assault weapon ban, don't expect a whole lot of cooperation from the criminal element.

I listened to what president Obama had to say this morning. I liked some of it, especially making background checks more stringent overall.

There was also a statement Obama made that his administration... "will help schools hire more resource (police) officers... IF they want them."
Our president Obama wants to "help" schools hire resource (police) officers? Those of us who understand the evil workings of liberals know very well that whenever the word "help" is uttered especially by a liberal, an expensive new bureacratic SOCIAL PROGRAM can be expected to be announced soon.

Our nation's fiscal cliff - How it affects improving security in our schools.
__________
Each and every one of us, each man woman and child, is responsible for a MINIMUM of $52,000 of this nation's national debt.
Last November, a majority of voting Americans re-elected an Obama administration that's dedicated to stimulating this ecomony by spending increasing amounts of capital it doesn't have. How does the FED find new money to spend? That's easy! They print it!.....(-;
And as more and more dollars flood into our economy, the value of the overall currency continues to weaken. This is the key reason the United States still struggles to recover from 2008.
Most of us understand nothing is ever really "free-of-charge".

Certainly there is nothing "free" about allowing the FEDS to involve themselves in the security of school districts. If FEDS start to subsidize (pay for) police officers in our schools, each and every one of us will ultimately pay for that in the form of higher federal taxes.
Then of course after these FED-subsidized officers are hired and trained, we would be taxed again, this time on the LOCAL level in order to retain their perennial services.

So why don't we take our schools' security issues into our own hands? if we do this, we'll be cutting out the "middleman" Uncle Sam!
As a community, let us decide to manage the defense of our schools by using licensed concealed carry in the form of volunteer school staff.
http://concealedcampus.org/
a smart idea

Germantown, OH

#11 Jan 17, 2013
Butler County school days may soon include armed substitute teachers watching over students.
Under a proposal announced today by Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones, retired police officers can be trained to work in schools as substitute teachers – teaching in any of the county’s 10 school districts or private schools.

It would be a first among the region’s schools and possibly in the nation.“It's two for one and it's cost effective,” Jones said during a press conference. The proposal, described by Jones as a “fresh idea, outside the box” still requires the approval of each of Butler County's 10 school boards.

He said two public districts and one private school have initially agreed to the plan, but he declined to name them. He said Lakota Schools did not respond to his proposal made two weeks ago. If approved by local districts, the program could be in place later this school year.

Ohio schools and most nationwide are designated non-gun zones where firearms are not allowed.

But police officers – even retired – would be allowed to be armed working as substitute teachers. In Ohio, anyone with a college degree can be a sub with some instructional training.

Retired Mason police officer Scott Miller came up with the idea and joined Jones at the press conference.

The idea is the latest and most aggressive move by a Greater Cincinnati school and law enforcement officials in response to last month’s shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary that left 20 students and six school workers dead in Newtown, Conn.

Some other school district officials in other southwest Ohio counties are also formulating plans to increase the presence of armed police officers in their school buildings. Mason schools in Warren County recently installed a new program to do visitor background checks at their high school before allowing entry. In Cincinnati Public Schools, the region’s biggest and third largest in Ohio, Cincinnati Police-trained school “resource” or armed security officers have offices in 10 schools and most schools have a designated security office where the police can do paperwork. New Richmond School officials in Clermont County are considering using off-duty police at its schools. And officials at Three Rivers Schools in Hamilton County say they’re discussing a greater police presence as part of an ongoing school safety discussion.

Most Northern Kentucky schools also use armed school resource officers during part or all of the class day.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130117/N...
Anonymous

Dayton, OH

#12 Jan 19, 2013
From: www.momsrising.org

STATEMENT OF KRISTIN ROWE-FINKBEINER, Executive Director of MomsRising, On NRA Response to Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting


December 21, 2012

Today, Wayne LaPierre blamed everything except guns for the tragic deaths of 20 children and seven adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. He even went so far as to suggest arming school personnel to avoid gun violence, and putting armed security in every school in the nation.

Instead of putting guns in our schools and forcing our children to live in fear every day, we should let them focus on learning -- and demand that our leaders worry about keeping dangerous weapons off the streets, out of schools, and away from our children.

All of Mr. LaPierre’s arguments and finger pointing are merely ways of deflecting the primary source of gun violence in our country. That source is guns. That’s why MomsRising is renewing its call for Congress to pass common sense gun policies.

Today, the NRA once again abdicated its responsibility for the gun violence that plagues our country by bringing to bear every resource it has to oppose even minimal, low bar, common sense efforts to improve gun safety, like ending the gun show and internet purchasing loopholes, and taking deadly assault weapons and high capacity magazines off the streets.

Putting more guns in schools isn't the answer, as LaPierre so cynically recommends. We need common sense gun violence prevention laws that include:
Universal background checks for all gun purchases, including gun shows and on the Internet.
An assault weapon ban, which also limits high capacity magazines.
A federal gun trafficking statute with real penalties to stop the illegal sales of guns between state-to-state and international jurisdictions.

Wayne LaPierre asked why we don’t cherish our children more than money. We absolutely do. We cherish our children above all else. We want to know why Mr. LaPierre does not cherish our children more than his guns.

At MomsRising, we have more than a million members, many of whom are also members of the NRA. We're hearing from people across the political spectrum that it's time for more logical thinking about our gun safety policies.

Today, we got an unequivocal message from the NRA that it is not truly committed to ending gun violence and will do anything it can to continue to support the manufacture and sales of the guns that are killing our children. We send back an unequivocal message that we will not give up until common sense gun laws prevail.
common sense

Germantown, OH

#13 Jan 19, 2013
Boroalumni wrote:
From: www.momsrising.org
STATEMENT OF KRISTIN ROWE-FINKBEINER, Executive Director of MomsRising, On NRA Response to Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
December 21, 2012
Today, Wayne LaPierre blamed everything except guns for the tragic deaths of 20 children and seven adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. He even went so far as to suggest arming school personnel to avoid gun violence, and putting armed security in every school in the nation.
Instead of putting guns in our schools and forcing our children to live in fear every day, we should let them focus on learning -- and demand that our leaders worry about keeping dangerous weapons off the streets, out of schools, and away from our children.
All of Mr. LaPierre’s arguments and finger pointing are merely ways of deflecting the primary source of gun violence in our country. That source is guns. That’s why MomsRising is renewing its call for Congress to pass common sense gun policies.
Today, the NRA once again abdicated its responsibility for the gun violence that plagues our country by bringing to bear every resource it has to oppose even minimal, low bar, common sense efforts to improve gun safety, like ending the gun show and internet purchasing loopholes, and taking deadly assault weapons and high capacity magazines off the streets.
Putting more guns in schools isn't the answer, as LaPierre so cynically recommends. We need common sense gun violence prevention laws that include:
Universal background checks for all gun purchases, including gun shows and on the Internet.
An assault weapon ban, which also limits high capacity magazines.
A federal gun trafficking statute with real penalties to stop the illegal sales of guns between state-to-state and international jurisdictions.
Wayne LaPierre asked why we don’t cherish our children more than money. We absolutely do. We cherish our children above all else. We want to know why Mr. LaPierre does not cherish our children more than his guns.
At MomsRising, we have more than a million members, many of whom are also members of the NRA. We're hearing from people across the political spectrum that it's time for more logical thinking about our gun safety policies.
Today, we got an unequivocal message from the NRA that it is not truly committed to ending gun violence and will do anything it can to continue to support the manufacture and sales of the guns that are killing our children. We send back an unequivocal message that we will not give up until common sense gun laws prevail.
How many Springboro students have died as a result of our resource officer's gun?
Another Question

Piqua, OH

#14 Jan 23, 2013
common sense wrote:
<quoted text>
How many Springboro students have died as a result of our resource officer's gun?
If Springboro Schools' Resource Officer has his gun with him on school property, then why doesn't the school take down the sign advertising "gun free zone" (which is claimed by some to be a magnet for disaster) and post a sign telling it like it is: Our schools are protected by armed security guards?
gun free practice ranges

Girard, OH

#15 Jan 23, 2013
Another Question wrote:
<quoted text>
If Springboro Schools' Resource Officer has his gun with him on school property, then why doesn't the school take down the sign advertising "gun free zone" (which is claimed by some to be a magnet for disaster) and post a sign telling it like it is: Our schools are protected by armed security guards?
If Springboro Schools' Resource Officer has his gun with him on school property, then why doesn't the school take down the sign advertising "gun free zone" (which is claimed by some to be a magnet for disaster) and post a sign telling it like it is: Our schools are protected by armed security guards?

To add to these very valid points...
What sense does it make to have one (1) resource officer trying to defend the occupants of six (6) separate buildings?
way to go Huskies

Girard, OH

#16 Jan 24, 2013
SWEET HOME, ORE.-- Sweet Home School District policy clearly states that staff members with concealed carry licenses can bring firearms on campus.

The district says they it hasn't been approached by teachers about the policy. Instead, it was the parents of students calling to ask if it was allowed and it comes on the heels of the tragedy in Connecticut.

"If it causes a disruption in the educational process, obviously we need to take a look at it. Then I'm sure our board would look at our policy, but at this point it hasn't,” said Sweet Home School District Superintendent Don Schrader.

Schrader said he doesn't want to be the superintendent that is arming the staff, he is just following policy. Parents we spoke with like the idea of teachers arming themselves and say they feel safer knowing their kids are protected.

"It makes me feel safe as a parent knowing that if someone walked in to cause harm, that my child would be safe and the teacher would save my child or other peoples' children," said Sweet Home parent Crystal Duncan.

We spoke with people and business owners in Sweet Home, all of which supported teachers arming themselves in the classroom.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Sweet-Ho...
were BIDEN our time

Girard, OH

#17 Feb 1, 2013
VP Joe Biden has expressed that he's very much against putting more guns in our schools.

Yesterday, America experienced yet another school shooting, this time in Atlanta GA. Fortunately no one was killed. What prevented this from escalating into something worse than injury?......

VP JOE BIDEN, ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?

...... The teenage shooter was successfully disarmed by an off-duty police officer who moonlights as a resource officer at this Georgia middle school.

http://news.yahoo.com/least-one-wounded-atlan...

WE IN THIS COMMUNITY OF SPRINGBORO own the responsibility of providing security for, and defending each and every one of our children in the unlikely event of an attack on one of our schools.

Write / e-mail your Congress representative. Tell them exactly what you think about Obama and Biden who both share long term intentions to completely disarm all American civilians.

“Tin Foil Hat applied to lower ”

Since: Jul 08

Allegeny

#18 Feb 2, 2013
Honestly from such a brand name town and yes I live here I would expect much more from our paid police forces to be the ones to provide protection, but alias they are too busy doing traffic enforcement 24/7 and the court system here shows it in Lebanon they just push them in like cattle to pay pay pay.. where does all that money go? evidently not into our community schools security enforcement. I say arm the teachers who have extensive time behind the barrel,

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