Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2047 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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First Things First

Piqua, OH

#61 Mar 5, 2013
butch 129 wrote:
I personally do not like the idea of new taxes at all but I have researched this and I do find it very interesting that our Fire Department has been able to maintain services on the monies that they asked for some 12 years ago. I know my costs
sure have increased since 2001. If you look at other areas in Ohio that have turned down levy's it has cost the loss of services and I am not willing to risk not having my family protected. If there is misuse by our twp officials then that needs to be addressed, but this levy isn't the place to do that.
I think this may just be one of those times that I need to understand something my father used to say to me "Don't cut of your nose just to spite your face"
We need to support our first responders
hey there butch ... there is a misuse by our twp officials that needs to be addressed right now....BEFORE rewarding this misuse by our twp officials with more of our hardearned money!
And failing this fire levy IS the ONLY place that concerned citizens have to address this misuse-- we need to just say NO WAY IN MAY to increased taxes.
I think this may be one of those times that YOU need to understand something MY father used to say to me: Don't buy silk when you owe for milk.
In fact, some smart voters did tell Wade/Gabbard some time ago that our government leaders should not use taxpayers money to
buy synthetic turf for Wade Field; and then expect homeowners to vote for increased taxes on our homes in 2013.

JUST VOTE NO WAY IN MAY FOR INCREASED TAXES.

And don't you worry, butch, your first responders CAN and WILL do MORE with LESS in their BEST protection for you and your family.

Since: Mar 13

Englewood, OH

#62 Mar 5, 2013
What do the township officials have to do with the guys and girls that show up when you have an emergency? You can argue politics, but when my home was at risk not too long ago it was the firefighters, not the politicians, at my door.

From what Butch129 said, it sounds like the first responders in 'boro have done more with less. 12 years from a 10 year levy? Not bad. There is a certain point where all you can do is LESS with LESS. I'm not going to risk my safety.

Interesting enough, the Dayton Daily Democrat put out an interesting article about property taxes. Clearcreek is down in the middle of the list and Springboro is ever further...check out the article:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/stat...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state-reg...

The firefighters in Springboro were there for me when my family needed them. You can bet I'll be there for them in May.
indeed

Dayton, OH

#63 Mar 6, 2013
springborodad wrote:
What do the township officials have to do with the guys and girls that show up when you have an emergency? You can argue politics, but when my home was at risk not too long ago it was the firefighters, not the politicians, at my door.
From what Butch129 said, it sounds like the first responders in 'boro have done more with less. 12 years from a 10 year levy? Not bad. There is a certain point where all you can do is LESS with LESS. I'm not going to risk my safety.
Interesting enough, the Dayton Daily Democrat put out an interesting article about property taxes. Clearcreek is down in the middle of the list and Springboro is ever further...check out the article:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/stat...
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state-reg...
The firefighters in Springboro were there for me when my family needed them. You can bet I'll be there for them in May.
Really Mr Babb, you ought to keep school issues off this forum, you have enough forums to spout your pro-levy agendas.

Since: Mar 13

Lebanon, OH

#64 Mar 6, 2013
They are not building another station and the population has doubled since 2001. I think they have done a pretty good job!
springborodad2

Piqua, OH

#65 Mar 6, 2013
springborodad wrote:
What do the township officials have to do with the guys and girls that show up when you have an emergency? You can argue politics, but when my home was at risk not too long ago it was the firefighters, not the politicians, at my door.
From what Butch129 said, it sounds like the first responders in 'boro have done more with less. 12 years from a 10 year levy? Not bad. There is a certain point where all you can do is LESS with LESS. I'm not going to risk my safety.
Interesting enough, the Dayton Daily Democrat put out an interesting article about property taxes. Clearcreek is down in the middle of the list and Springboro is ever further...check out the article:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/stat...
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state-reg...
The firefighters in Springboro were there for me when my family needed them. You can bet I'll be there for them in May.
And you can bet the two of us will be right there voting no way in may are we voting ourselves increased taxes on our homes, threatening the financial security of our family first.
Springboro residents are wealthy enough to pay first responders in case of individual emergency needs; instead of these wealthiest residents collectively deamnding more taxes from poorer homeowners. If Springboro is such a caring commuity, then those who care the most should put their money where their mouth is and stop demanding that the less fortunate step up to match their "collective" sense of unionism community.
The Scoffer

Piqua, OH

#66 Mar 6, 2013
indeed wrote:
<quoted text>
Really Mr Babb, you ought to keep school issues off this forum, you have enough forums to spout your pro-levy agendas.
Mr. Babb, wasn't it your Boro for Babb wife standing at the polls alongside the union masters during the 2011 school board election, yelling teachers first, as the drivers of Springboro's emt vehicles passed by giving her the thumbs up for teachers union first?
Wake Up Sleepy head

Piqua, OH

#67 Mar 6, 2013
Knock,Knock....Who's There?

Why it's just our little buddy gabbard and old man wade knocking on our township "bedroom community" door. Time to get out even before November; and get to the polls to vote No Way In May are we sacrificing our household budgets to vote increased taxes on our children's homes.

Clearcreek Township
250,000.00 of our tax dollars gone
Date: 2013-01-13, 11:03AM
At the last township meeting Mr Ed Wade gave 250,000.00 of our tax money to the city of Springboro. He could have paid for the new hired fire chief Mr kidd a retire rehire. I have no doubt that by handing over 250K to the city, by the way he owns and operates Wade insurance company inside the city limits, that he will receive a lot of votes in the next election for himself.
This 250 K could have been used for a tax holiday from just one of the 14 levys we have on us. Make you vote count so we can get back to saving the over taxed payers a few bucks when we can.
And put a stop to double dipping. Call me crazy but isn't this the same as buying votes??
Why isn't the media reporting this?
Look forward to next November when there will be a fire levy on the ballot. Instead of a tax holiday due to over collection of our tax dollars and having an enormous cash reserve they will put a levy on the ballot but first they have to spend down their reserves so they donít look rich.

Just Say No to Wade/Gabbard Fire Levy
No Accountability to Taxpayers
No Vote on the Fire levy in May

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#68 Mar 6, 2013
I have been reading this whole string trying to really make up my mind about this levy and on the no side I keep seeing the same thing. Complain about a couple of our Trustees, therefor we should say no or (take our ball and go home) I have not seen anything that tells me that the Fire Department either does not deserve or need this levy.

What good is financial security when you have a loved one that possibly dies from a slower response, or a home that burns down as you wait for a fire truck to get their because the station across the street is closed because you voted down
something just because of a vendetta?

When a levy like this fails all we have to do is look at what happened just a couple hours north of us in Liberty Township up north of Columbus. I myself am not willing to take that chance just because of a VENDETTA and someone's political aspirations.

Since: Mar 13

Englewood, OH

#69 Mar 6, 2013
Wake Up Sleepy head wrote:
Knock,Knock....Who's There?
Why it's just our little buddy gabbard and old man wade knocking on our township "bedroom community" door. Time to get out even before November; and get to the polls to vote No Way In May are we sacrificing our household budgets to vote increased taxes on our children's homes.
Clearcreek Township
250,000.00 of our tax dollars gone
Date: 2013-01-13, 11:03AM
At the last township meeting Mr Ed Wade gave 250,000.00 of our tax money to the city of Springboro. He could have paid for the new hired fire chief Mr kidd a retire rehire. I have no doubt that by handing over 250K to the city, by the way he owns and operates Wade insurance company inside the city limits, that he will receive a lot of votes in the next election for himself.
This 250 K could have been used for a tax holiday from just one of the 14 levys we have on us. Make you vote count so we can get back to saving the over taxed payers a few bucks when we can.
And put a stop to double dipping. Call me crazy but isn't this the same as buying votes??
Why isn't the media reporting this?
Look forward to next November when there will be a fire levy on the ballot. Instead of a tax holiday due to over collection of our tax dollars and having an enormous cash reserve they will put a levy on the ballot but first they have to spend down their reserves so they donít look rich.
Just Say No to Wade/Gabbard Fire Levy
No Accountability to Taxpayers
No Vote on the Fire levy in May
Sleepy - rub your eyes, grab some coffee, and read the topic of the thread. What does this have to do with our fire department?

Since: Mar 13

Englewood, OH

#70 Mar 6, 2013
Baab, I am not.

I think one thing we can all agree on here is that taxation is out of hand in our society. The feds are scooping up our money left and right. I just did my taxes and I paid three times more federal tax than local taxes. Then we all watch the news and hear stories of waste and such. Money going all over the globe as "economic aid" while we have our own struggles here. It is sickening.

The one thing we all need to keep in mind is that this is a local issue. This isn't some crazy federal spending spree on something you're never going to get any benefit from. This is our first line of defense in our home town. This is our ambulances and fire trucks that come to our neighborhood when there is a problem. That's enough for me, I'm saying YES TO 3!
brainwashed

Dayton, OH

#71 Mar 7, 2013
springborodad wrote:
Baab, I am not.
I think one thing we can all agree on here is that taxation is out of hand in our society. The feds are scooping up our money left and right. I just did my taxes and I paid three times more federal tax than local taxes. Then we all watch the news and hear stories of waste and such. Money going all over the globe as "economic aid" while we have our own struggles here. It is sickening.
The one thing we all need to keep in mind is that this is a local issue. This isn't some crazy federal spending spree on something you're never going to get any benefit from. This is our first line of defense in our home town. This is our ambulances and fire trucks that come to our neighborhood when there is a problem. That's enough for me, I'm saying YES TO 3!
Then Mr Babb, our vote will negate each other, for I am voting NO to another whim of the thugs at the township office.

Since: Mar 13

Englewood, OH

#72 Mar 7, 2013
brainwashed wrote:
<quoted text>
Then Mr Babb, our vote will negate each other, for I am voting NO to another whim of the thugs at the township office.
That is the beauty of democracy! All I can suggest is that you take a few minutes to learn the facts of the issue before jumping to a conclusion. What do you know about the specifics of the fire levy? Have you researched it at all? Or are you just voting against it because that is your default stance on any ballot issue?
brainwashed

Dayton, OH

#73 Mar 7, 2013
springborodad wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the beauty of democracy! All I can suggest is that you take a few minutes to learn the facts of the issue before jumping to a conclusion. What do you know about the specifics of the fire levy? Have you researched it at all? Or are you just voting against it because that is your default stance on any ballot issue?
No one is going to die BECAUSE this levy fails. To suggest or even hint that is nothing short of Obama type scare tactics. VOTE NO !
No Way In May

Piqua, OH

#74 Mar 7, 2013
told ya so wrote:
ah...wade had his boy voted into the township with the help of a gullible public...and your reward? a levy in May for yet another fire station that this community does not need. Hope you ignorant people are happy now.
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." - Frederick Douglass

Just say NO NEW TAXES to wade and his boy; and Just go about town doing good, Just educating Springboro citizens to campaign FOR transparency and accountability in our local government; and Just campaign AGAINST re-electing Ed Wade as Clearcreek Township trustee.
Stay Alert

Piqua, OH

#75 Mar 7, 2013
springborodad wrote:
<quoted text>
Sleepy - rub your eyes, grab some coffee, and read the topic of the thread. What does this have to do with our fire department?
Sitting here enjoying my starbucks even as my fingers do the talking to you blah blah babblers for more dollars out of my already drained wallet.

Now, if our elected township trustees (little buddy gabbard and old man wade) has nothing to do with our fire department; then why is the topic of this newspaper article (on which this blog's comments are based) reporting a conflict in the Clearcreek Township Trustees, splitting YES votes of gabbard/wade FOR big tax increases AGAINST common sense vote of anspich for NOW NEW TAXES needed? More money is NOT needed to provide our community the same level of excellent services that all citizens demand from our local government! More Expertise in Leadership and Financial Management IS what Springboro residents are now demanding from our local government leaders. NO NEW TAXES!

JUST SAY NO TO THE GABBARD WADE FIRE LEVY IN MAY!

JUST SAY NO TO THE RE-ELECTION OF TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE ED WADE IN NOVEMBER 2013!
Say It Again

Piqua, OH

#76 Mar 7, 2013
brainwashed wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is going to die BECAUSE this levy fails. To suggest or even hint that is nothing short of Obama type scare tactics. VOTE NO !
Let's Say It Again - VOTE NO!

These Obama type scare tactics are the same as those swirling around the state during the 2011 unionized frenzy of beating down opportunity for local communities to gain control of these run-away big union labor costs heavily oppressing all local governments across our state.
Now, here we are in 2013, with our local wade/gabbard unionized frenzy of the same old washington-style Obama scare tactics;
IF we don't vote ourselves higher taxes on our homes to pay for big salary increases for our government administrators and union employees.

Let's say it again and again... Vote No!
Enough is Enough

Piqua, OH

#77 Mar 7, 2013
springborodad wrote:
Baab, I am not.
I think one thing we can all agree on here is that taxation is out of hand in our society. The feds are scooping up our money left and right. I just did my taxes and I paid three times more federal tax than local taxes. Then we all watch the news and hear stories of waste and such. Money going all over the globe as "economic aid" while we have our own struggles here. It is sickening.
The one thing we all need to keep in mind is that this is a local issue. This isn't some crazy federal spending spree on something you're never going to get any benefit from. This is our first line of defense in our home town. This is our ambulances and fire trucks that come to our neighborhood when there is a problem. That's enough for me, I'm saying YES TO 3!
So, what's in a name? This is the same old bad babb for boro babble and bitter boeman blogging for higher local taxes because Springboro taxpayers are not paying as much locally as we should be paying because the mean-spirited state and federal government leaders are getting more than our local city/township governments.
The one thing we all need to keep in mind: this is a local issue--we don't need MORE money for our local government services --we need more fiscal responsibility from our local government employees. Already TAXED TO MAX-- that's enough for me. No Way In May should responsible citizens say yes to this huge levy imposed upon ALL homeowners for increased salaries and benefits for union employees. Vote No!
jobless

Dayton, OH

#78 Mar 7, 2013
springborodad wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the beauty of democracy! All I can suggest is that you take a few minutes to learn the facts of the issue before jumping to a conclusion. What do you know about the specifics of the fire levy? Have you researched it at all? Or are you just voting against it because that is your default stance on any ballot issue?
Why is it when folks vote against levies, they are "jumping to conclusions" ? OK,have it your way, I jumpin on the NO VOTE. I have researched it with my wallet, and my wallet also says no, especially since after 4 years without a pay raise, I got laid off.
Family Matters

Piqua, OH

#79 Mar 7, 2013
jobless wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it when folks vote against levies, they are "jumping to conclusions" ? OK,have it your way, I jumpin on the NO VOTE. I have researched it with my wallet, and my wallet also says no, especially since after 4 years without a pay raise, I got laid off.
Thanks for sharing what matters to you.
Family matters are our FIRST responsibility; and it is quite selfish of our neighbors in Springboro, who collectively gather themselves into eliteness against individuals, who just don't buy into the union masters' demands that ALL should sacrifice our own needs to meet the GREED-not-need of local government union employees.
Our family matters come FIRST in our household and we stand firmly with those voters in-the-know of this financial corruptness in local government.
city money

Springboro, OH

#80 Mar 7, 2013
Wake Up Sleepy head wrote:
Knock,Knock....Who's There?
Why it's just our little buddy gabbard and old man wade knocking on our township "bedroom community" door. Time to get out even before November; and get to the polls to vote No Way In May are we sacrificing our household budgets to vote increased taxes on our children's homes.
Clearcreek Township
250,000.00 of our tax dollars gone
Date: 2013-01-13, 11:03AM
At the last township meeting Mr Ed Wade gave 250,000.00 of our tax money to the city of Springboro. He could have paid for the new hired fire chief Mr kidd a retire rehire. I have no doubt that by handing over 250K to the city, by the way he owns and operates Wade insurance company inside the city limits, that he will receive a lot of votes in the next election for himself.
This 250 K could have been used for a tax holiday from just one of the 14 levys we have on us. Make you vote count so we can get back to saving the over taxed payers a few bucks when we can.
And put a stop to double dipping. Call me crazy but isn't this the same as buying votes??
Why isn't the media reporting this?
Look forward to next November when there will be a fire levy on the ballot. Instead of a tax holiday due to over collection of our tax dollars and having an enormous cash reserve they will put a levy on the ballot but first they have to spend down their reserves so they donít look rich.
Just Say No to Wade/Gabbard Fire Levy
No Accountability to Taxpayers
No Vote on the Fire levy in May
Actually, as I understand it, the $250,000 is a portion of inside milage paid by City of Springboro residents to the township. So, it isn't your money - it is City of Springboro residents' money. And the township is sending that back to the City to support leisure time services and City park facilities for everyone to enjoy, including township residents who do not pay ANYTHING for use of City parks. Sounds like a fair and equitable thing for the township to do.

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