Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2048 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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Public Record

United States

#642 Apr 9, 2013
focus wrote:
<quoted text>
no signs in the yard is just as good as a real NO sign..except cheaper.( i see today you are using public record), wonder what you will be using later...hm...maaybe unionman..that seems to be one of your favorites.
BTW..in my whole subdivision, I have seen only 4 pro levy signs out of a community of over 400 homes.
Are you hearing voices again? Just accept you are in the minority.....it will make May 7th much easier for you.

YES on 3!!
Not Funny At All

Cincinnati, OH

#643 Apr 9, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny, I haven't seen one. Where are they?
Not funny at all that public record ridicules any opposition to the government's big tax increase, taunting that responsible citizens who cannot afford tax increases can neither afford to pay for a campaign telling the other side of the levy.
Taxpayers don't stand a chance "publicly opposing" the government's taxpayer-funded biased campaign for increased taxes. The government has all the taxpayer-funded resources needed to get their biased public record out, presenting only one side of the levy -- the government's addiction to TAX AND SPEND our money!
Local government leaders realize (as public record on this blog taunts) that private citizens do not have the money to purchase yard signs nor money to create and launch a website, informing the voters of both sides of the levy.(
Even in our neighborhoods, local firefighters are asking permission to put "yes signs" in yards, sneering and jeering that those who cannot afford increased taxes don't stand a chance defeating this levy because the community is behind the firefighters). Well, we all support the firefighters, but it isn't a fair "fight" when the government turns this tax increase into an emotional issue of division among our citizens.
Never mind the yard signs -- most of them are planted to warn their neighbors of the "shunning" they are going to get IF they dare exercise their rights to freely oppose this unreasonable tax increase.
Responsbile voters who VOTE NO on May 7th can send a clear message of support for firefighters by telling our local government leaders to cut big cost administration expenses FIRST, before cutting the public safety services.
Every responsible citizen should tell Mr. Kidd that NO FIREFIGHTERS NOR EMTs should be fired; but instead, the recently hired fire captain should be let go.
Let's remember our Responsibility to all our Springboro Township citizens and VOTE NO to remind our Township government of their RESPONSIBILITY of ensuring that our community receives public services needed, while keeping the costs to homeowners affordable.
VOTE NO on May 7th! It's the RESPONSIBLE thing to do!
poundsand

Miamisburg, OH

#644 Apr 9, 2013
Unions claim to fame and what they continually state is that they stand for worker rights, higher wages, better work conditions and fairer treatment of workers, They claim to support the underdog and are against class warfare. The ends justify their means. That may have been necessary in the 1900's and is a "front" argument.

America is finally beginning to catch on to the union and government taxation game, and a game is what it is.

Consider the idea that people in public jobs are paying lobbyists and consultants to influence politicians on their behalf. In simpler terms, imagine that you and your boss are colluding to get you the top pay possible, with shareholders unaware of the scheme. That's exactly what's happening; we the taxpayers are being duped by the people we pay.
Public Record

United States

#645 Apr 9, 2013
Not Funny At All wrote:
<quoted text>
Not funny at all that public record ridicules any opposition to the government's big tax increase, taunting that responsible citizens who cannot afford tax increases can neither afford to pay for a campaign telling the other side of the levy.
Taxpayers don't stand a chance "publicly opposing" the government's taxpayer-funded biased campaign for increased taxes. The government has all the taxpayer-funded resources needed to get their biased public record out, presenting only one side of the levy -- the government's addiction to TAX AND SPEND our money!
Local government leaders realize (as public record on this blog taunts) that private citizens do not have the money to purchase yard signs nor money to create and launch a website, informing the voters of both sides of the levy.(
Even in our neighborhoods, local firefighters are asking permission to put "yes signs" in yards, sneering and jeering that those who cannot afford increased taxes don't stand a chance defeating this levy because the community is behind the firefighters). Well, we all support the firefighters, but it isn't a fair "fight" when the government turns this tax increase into an emotional issue of division among our citizens.
Never mind the yard signs -- most of them are planted to warn their neighbors of the "shunning" they are going to get IF they dare exercise their rights to freely oppose this unreasonable tax increase.
Responsbile voters who VOTE NO on May 7th can send a clear message of support for firefighters by telling our local government leaders to cut big cost administration expenses FIRST, before cutting the public safety services.
Every responsible citizen should tell Mr. Kidd that NO FIREFIGHTERS NOR EMTs should be fired; but instead, the recently hired fire captain should be let go.
Let's remember our Responsibility to all our Springboro Township citizens and VOTE NO to remind our Township government of their RESPONSIBILITY of ensuring that our community receives public services needed, while keeping the costs to homeowners affordable.
VOTE NO on May 7th! It's the RESPONSIBLE thing to do!
Please show what evidence you have that supports your claim that the levy is financed with public money. The sign in my yard says "paid for by help us help you committee". I'm sure a simple public records search would provide you that evidence, unless of course, your claim is a LIE and it DOES NOT EXIST because it IS NOT TRUTHFUL.

The show of support by my neighbors and I have nothing to do with extortion by our public employees, it has everything to do with preventing extremists like you from jeopardizing the community we love so much.

The RESPONSIBLE thing is to SAY YES TO 3!
Responsibilities

Cincinnati, OH

#646 Apr 9, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
Please show what evidence you have that supports your claim that the levy is financed with public money. The sign in my yard says "paid for by help us help you committee". I'm sure a simple public records search would provide you that evidence, unless of course, your claim is a LIE and it DOES NOT EXIST because it IS NOT TRUTHFUL.
The show of support by my neighbors and I have nothing to do with extortion by our public employees, it has everything to do with preventing extremists like you from jeopardizing the community we love so much.
The RESPONSIBLE thing is to SAY YES TO 3!
Our greatest responsibility as free American citizens is to look beyond the biased signs and read between the lines:

Responsible citizens VOTING NO TAX INCREASE on May 7th can
see beyond the tunnel vision of "paid for by help us help you committee"....

And clearly see the big scary truth in the words of Ronald Reagan:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are,
'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
Responsibilities

Cincinnati, OH

#647 Apr 9, 2013
poundsand wrote:
Unions claim to fame and what they continually state is that they stand for worker rights, higher wages, better work conditions and fairer treatment of workers, They claim to support the underdog and are against class warfare. The ends justify their means. That may have been necessary in the 1900's and is a "front" argument.
America is finally beginning to catch on to the union and government taxation game, and a game is what it is.
Consider the idea that people in public jobs are paying lobbyists and consultants to influence politicians on their behalf. In simpler terms, imagine that you and your boss are colluding to get you the top pay possible, with shareholders unaware of the scheme. That's exactly what's happening; we the taxpayers are being duped by the people we pay.
Totally Agree! Thank you for telling the truth.

Here is what the Firefighters’ Union stands for:

http://www.firefightersforobama.com/index.cfm...
Responsibilities

Cincinnati, OH

#648 Apr 9, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you hearing voices again? Just accept you are in the minority.....it will make May 7th much easier for you.
YES on 3!!
Those "voices" reminding us of our responsibility to VOTE NO on May 7th are telling us to ignore the rudeness of Public Record ridicule and FOCUS on these wise words whenever we see the signs
of the government wanting us to let them help you...

"Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan

And the biggest problem of the Government is their deep rooted addiction to helping themselves to MORE AND MORE of our money to get an easy fix to their TAX AND SPEND addiction.
borobeef

Cleveland, OH

#649 Apr 9, 2013
Responsibilities wrote:
<quoted text>
Those "voices" reminding us of our responsibility to VOTE NO on May 7th are telling us to ignore the rudeness of Public Record ridicule and FOCUS on these wise words whenever we see the signs
of the government wanting us to let them help you...
"Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan
And the biggest problem of the Government is their deep rooted addiction to helping themselves to MORE AND MORE of our money to get an easy fix to their TAX AND SPEND addiction.
Are you a Medicaid receipt?
Signs

Greenfield, OH

#650 Apr 9, 2013
Signs, Signs, everywhere there's signs!
Mr Right

Middletown, OH

#651 Apr 9, 2013
formersgt wrote:
Cathy Anspach = Lebanon's bargoyle princess. They can keep her!
she was sleeping around with a married firefighter
focus

Springfield, OH

#652 Apr 10, 2013
Mr Right wrote:
<quoted text>she was sleeping around with a married firefighter
and Pickett goes to AA meetings. And Lamb is a Wade stooge, wanting to double dip, just like Pickett.
focus

Springfield, OH

#653 Apr 10, 2013
Signs wrote:
Signs, Signs, everywhere there's signs!
people vote, not signs.
Responsibilities

Cincinnati, OH

#654 Apr 10, 2013
borobeef wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a Medicaid receipt?
No. Our household of voters do not receive medicaid, nor food stamps, nor any form of government welfare. We are aware of how fortunate we are to be financial able caring for ourselves, and others, without the government's assistance, because of our employment in the work place freedom of the private sector.
During recent times of "bad times" of unemployment of our close family relatives, we have been financially able to pick up the cost for a private health insurance, temporarily, until they get back to work, so none of our family relatives are in receipt of any government assistance programs for the poor. Family members who have opportunity should always take care of their own, first, before turning to the government for assistance.
We do know other working families who are just as capable of helping their own relative, but choose to shirk family responsibilities of caring for their own, giving the excuse that "they pay taxes so that's the government's job."
Our household of voters believe it is the "government's job to cut expenses and stop increasing taxes to grow bigger and bigger government costs to the taxpayers."
Please be a responsible, well informed voter on May 7th and just say NO to tax increases. Telling township government that homewoners cannot afford increased taxes on our homes is in support of our firefighters, who certainly can't afford incrased taxes on their salaries. Double dipping government administrators Pickett and his assistant Wilhelm are soaking up taxpayers money
and taxpayers NOW need to STOP the easy flow....
VOTE NO ON MAY 7th to Increased Taxes on our family homes (including our firefighters family homes!)
Send a message to Mr. Kidd and Mr. Pickett that NO firefighters nor EMTs should be fired; but the last hired fire captain should be let go to cut expenses of the fire budget.
Nobama for this mama

Cincinnati, OH

#655 Apr 10, 2013
borobeef wrote:
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Are you a Medicaid receipt?
Absolutely Not, borobeef; and No bull about it, we must contact our Ohio legislatures and tell them to STOP obamacare's big-cost expansion of Medicaid.

"Stop Medicaid Expansion in Ohio"
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-medic...
Nobama for this mama

Cincinnati, OH

#656 Apr 10, 2013
Ultimately it has been America's political leadership that has underminded the values of our great nation, as politicians are more and more than willing to promise that government can solve all our problems.

When the government took responsibility for schools, some parents lost control of their children's education.

When the government took responsbility for the poor, voluntary charity from churches and community groups declined.

When government took responsibility for retirement security, many Americans quit saving.

When government and employers took responsibility for health insurance, individuals became dependent on others for their health care.

Now the traditional values of personal responsibility, hard work, frugality and saving, independence, family, and faith give way to government promises of more security, more income, more health care, more education... more!more! more!

Today, too many Americans look to the federal government to solve all problems for all people; and today, too many Americans have become gullible clients of politicians promising to solve every need.
nuts

Springfield, OH

#657 Apr 10, 2013
Mr Right wrote:
<quoted text>she was sleeping around with a married firefighter
And how does this alleged, smear tactic have anything to do with the fire levy ? You only disgrace yourself with just statements.
poundsand

Miamisburg, OH

#658 Apr 10, 2013
nuts wrote:
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And how does this alleged, smear tactic have anything to do with the fire levy ? You only disgrace yourself with just statements.
That is the classic liberal tactic of 'politics of personal destruction'. When you can't debate the issues, demonize the opposition.

They've got nothing else to talk about.
No Sense Jack

United States

#659 Apr 10, 2013
Jack Chrisman is an idiot who's trying to ruin the fire department like he and Kelly are trying to ruin our schools.
poundsand

Miamisburg, OH

#660 Apr 10, 2013
No Sense Jack wrote:
Jack Chrisman is an idiot who's trying to ruin the fire department like he and Kelly are trying to ruin our schools.
Are you kidding? Get a clue. Please inform us, the great unwashed, what Kohls and the other children-first board members have done that is so horrible for our children?

Held people accountable for doing the jobs they are paid to perform?

Investing in a technology program that addresses the future and provides tangible results for the money spent?

Spent more on text books for our children?

Discovered the ruse that was 'no high school busing' and 'pay to participate' and reduced its costs by 30% and then gave the families that chose to participate another venue by which they could reduce it by another $100?

Hired a new Superintendent that is on the ball?

Hired a new Curriculum Director who is top notch?

Hired an actual Human Resources person who knows what she is doing?

Turned the cameras back on so the community could see what is going on and make up their own minds?

Pushed through a transparency program that now exists on our school website so everyone in the community can see what they see?

Etc, etc, etc

Now which of those tasks do you wish to see undone?
borodad

United States

#661 Apr 10, 2013
The transparency project is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, meaningless numbers thrown up to distract and confuse the public so the board can skew the numbers to their taste. What a waste...which is funny, since I thought Kohls supposedly fights against government waste? Seems hypocritical...

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