Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2048 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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The Scoffer

Cincinnati, OH

#542 Apr 4, 2013
Getting Deep wrote:
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Hope you have your hip waders on...that's got to be the biggest string of bullcrap I've ever seen someone string together. Bravo on your fictitious story telling skills.
Would those "hip" Ed Wade...ers of YOURS be of the over-priced
"union label" brand?
Questions

Cincinnati, OH

#543 Apr 4, 2013
focus wrote:
those corrupt people in the township purposely scheduled the levy for May, hoping to have folks forget they have to vote on this BEFORE November. What scoundrels !
And isn't it true that taxpayers are charged $5500 for this poor leadership decision to just hurry up and get this on the ballot in MAY.... before most residents even realize there IS a tax increase on the ballot?

What was the big rush to hurry into an early morning meeting in January that very few voters were even aware of a special called meeting to discuss the tax increase; and then slap this levy on the ballot in May?

Local government leaders know that most voters tend to skip going to the polls other than during November elections; futhermore, no matter if a levy does pass in May, or August, or any other
time, NO NEW TAXES can be collected by the fire department until the first of the year, 2014.

Could it be that Pickett/Kidd, along with good old boys trustees Gabbard/Wade, already know this tax increase is unreasonable and that homewoners are NOT going to fall for their weak mantra "say yes to 3 for Public Safety" ...but will just Vote No Way In May to increased taxes?

Is that why Pickett/Kidd insisted on the unreasonable high rate of tax increases; knowing it would only "sound the alarm" ... so that when the May levy fails, they will cut it back to the 3.2 plan, and "fool" people into thinking they have listened to "the people" and will propose to over-tax at the lower 3.2 rate?
Is the May levy just a practice run for bringing the levy right back in August...November ....?
focus

Springfield, OH

#544 Apr 4, 2013
Questions wrote:
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And isn't it true that taxpayers are charged $5500 for this poor leadership decision to just hurry up and get this on the ballot in MAY.... before most residents even realize there IS a tax increase on the ballot?
What was the big rush to hurry into an early morning meeting in January that very few voters were even aware of a special called meeting to discuss the tax increase; and then slap this levy on the ballot in May?
Local government leaders know that most voters tend to skip going to the polls other than during November elections; futhermore, no matter if a levy does pass in May, or August, or any other
time, NO NEW TAXES can be collected by the fire department until the first of the year, 2014.
Could it be that Pickett/Kidd, along with good old boys trustees Gabbard/Wade, already know this tax increase is unreasonable and that homewoners are NOT going to fall for their weak mantra "say yes to 3 for Public Safety" ...but will just Vote No Way In May to increased taxes?
Is that why Pickett/Kidd insisted on the unreasonable high rate of tax increases; knowing it would only "sound the alarm" ... so that when the May levy fails, they will cut it back to the 3.2 plan, and "fool" people into thinking they have listened to "the people" and will propose to over-tax at the lower 3.2 rate?
Is the May levy just a practice run for bringing the levy right back in August...November ....?
We should be seeing those fire levy yard signs out any day now...
that could backfire on them...people will be awakening then.
unionman

Englewood, OH

#545 Apr 4, 2013
Questions wrote:
<quoted text>
What was the big rush to hurry into an early morning meeting in January that very few voters were even aware of a special called meeting to discuss the tax increase; and then slap this levy on the ballot in May?
HOW DARE THEY! Actually hold an election on a day defined by the Ohio Revised Code!

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3501

They sure are being sneaky...following the LAW and all.

Too bad they didn't cover that for you in GED class.
The Voice Of Reason

Englewood, OH

#546 Apr 4, 2013
Will this be our own community next?

http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/hamilton-...

I sure hope not...that's why I am voting YES on 3.
focus

Springfield, OH

#547 Apr 5, 2013
VOTE NO on 3 for pay rasies !

VOTE WADE OUT in November.

KEEP LAMB OUT..he's another WADE GOON !
Kelly Daughtery

Englewood, OH

#548 Apr 5, 2013
The Clearcreek Fire District is what it is today because of the 2001 levy. That level of service must be maintained. While you can argue about the township all day long, the fact is that the fire department has "kept the promise", moving from a small department to the flagship of Warren County.

Even with my trifocals, I can see this levy is necessary. I support Issue 3!
No Reason At All

Cincinnati, OH

#549 Apr 5, 2013
The Voice Of Reason wrote:
Will this be our own community next?
http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/hamilton-...
I sure hope not...that's why I am voting YES on 3.
No Reason at all to post these "fire alarms" in efforts to justify this unreasonable tax increase on local homeowners! No need
to worry that our capable fire department cannot do their jobs living within the means of the community members for whom the fire department works.
Eleven million dollars of revenue generated by local homeowners
taxes to pay for the services of the fire department ALLOWS our community to Just Relax and Just Say No to Increased Taxes
on May 7th. Local homeowners simply cannot afford to pay increased taxes to local government. No Reason At All has been given to the public by township fire department proving with financial facts that this big tax increase is necessary simply to "maintain existing services."

from DDN --CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio Trustees in Clearcreek Twp.- third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.
Still, the trustees voted 2-1 on Thursday to ask voters to approve a continuing 4.5-mill property tax levy expected to raise about $4.4 million a year on the May 7 ballot.
If approved by voters, property owners in the township - and the city of Springboro - would pay an additional $137.81 a year for every $100,000 in property valuation, according to the county auditor's office.-DDN-
No Taxes - No Service

Columbus, OH

#550 Apr 5, 2013
Seems pretty clear to me that we need to pass this levy to maintain the services we are currently receiving from the dedicated men and women of the Clearcreek Township Fire Department. Obviously, this is a personal decision we must each be prepared to make on May 7th.
Decisions have consequences, good or bad. I, for one, would hate to see the consequences of this levy failing. I will be voting YES on Issue 3!
"The Clearcreek Fire District is seeking a 4.5 mill operating levy during the May 7, 2013 election. The levy appears as "Issue 3" on the ballot. In 26 years, two prior levies have been approved and we made the current 10 year levy last 12 years.
This levy will support the continued operation of your local fire department at current service levels. In order to keep the millage as low as possible, no additional or expanded services (such as new fire stations or positions) are proposed through this levy.
The Clearcreek Fire District is currently operating on funding from a 2001 tax levy. In 2001, the department served approximately 21,017 people and responded to 1,584 emergencies.
Today, the department serves approximately 30,265 people, which is an increase of 44% from 2001. Crews responded to 2,735 emergencies in 2012, up 58% from 2001 counts. The fact is simple - the fire department cannot provide adequate service to a steadily growing population experiencing an increasing number of emergencies with the same funding level used in 2001.
In 2001 the Clearcreek Fire District promised not to come back to voters for additional funds for at least ten years. That promise has been kept, and as we look forward we commit to the voters not to seek additional operating funds for a period of at least eight years if this levy is approved."
Excuse Me

Cincinnati, OH

#551 Apr 5, 2013
No Taxes - No Service wrote:
Seems pretty clear to me that we need to pass this levy to maintain the services we are currently receiving from the dedicated men and women of the Clearcreek Township Fire Department. Obviously, this is a personal decision we must each be prepared to make on May 7th.
Decisions have consequences, good or bad. I, for one, would hate to see the consequences of this levy failing. I will be voting YES on Issue 3!
"The Clearcreek Fire District is seeking a 4.5 mill operating levy during the May 7, 2013 election. The levy appears as "Issue 3" on the ballot. In 26 years, two prior levies have been approved and we made the current 10 year levy last 12 years.
This levy will support the continued operation of your local fire department at current service levels. In order to keep the millage as low as possible, no additional or expanded services (such as new fire stations or positions) are proposed through this levy.
The Clearcreek Fire District is currently operating on funding from a 2001 tax levy. In 2001, the department served approximately 21,017 people and responded to 1,584 emergencies.
Today, the department serves approximately 30,265 people, which is an increase of 44% from 2001. Crews responded to 2,735 emergencies in 2012, up 58% from 2001 counts. The fact is simple - the fire department cannot provide adequate service to a steadily growing population experiencing an increasing number of emergencies with the same funding level used in 2001.
In 2001 the Clearcreek Fire District promised not to come back to voters for additional funds for at least ten years. That promise has been kept, and as we look forward we commit to the voters not to seek additional operating funds for a period of at least eight years if this levy is approved."
Excuse Me, with all due respect to your personal decision to increase taxes on your home, as for me and my household of voters, we cannot afford to pay increased taxes for "public safety services." Despite the "promises" of the government NOT to seek another "fix" for their "addiction to OUR household earnings for eight more years?....there's NO VOTE FOR INCREASED TAXES coming in May from our household of voters. It that SIMPLE...Our family cannot afford eight more years of "government addiction" coveting more of our husehold earnings; so that government employees can have increased salaries and greater benefits, on the backs of local homeowners.
.... is there even a presentation of the fire department's current financial records and proposed budget for use of this NEW Money that they are asking for? Is anything posted on the website other than this weak one-sided emotional plea to "say yes to issue 3 for public safety?" That simple isn't reason enough for our household of voters to vote ourselves increased taxes on our "heavily-mortaged" homes.
That's why we're Saying No Way In May to Tax Increases on our homes. With an $ll million fire department budget, it is time for our leadership team to get to work within that budget, and PRIORITIZE needs on which to spend OUR money; serving the public while living within the community resources, with NO NEW TAXES!
It's is time for Mr. Pickett and Mr. Kidd to listen to BOTH sides of this levy; and cut expenses FIRST, before asking for this big unreasonable tax increase on homeowners.
Excuse Me

Cincinnati, OH

#552 Apr 5, 2013
No Taxes - No Service wrote:
Seems pretty clear to me that we need to pass this levy to maintain the services we are currently receiving from the dedicated men and women of the Clearcreek Township Fire Department. Obviously, this is a personal decision we must each be prepared to make on May 7th.
Decisions have consequences, good or bad. I, for one, would hate to see the consequences of this levy failing. I will be voting YES on Issue 3!
"The Clearcreek Fire District is seeking a 4.5 mill operating levy during the May 7, 2013 election. The levy appears as "Issue 3" on the ballot. In 26 years, two prior levies have been approved and we made the current 10 year levy last 12 years.
This levy will support the continued operation of your local fire department at current service levels. In order to keep the millage as low as possible, no additional or expanded services (such as new fire stations or positions) are proposed through this levy.
The Clearcreek Fire District is currently operating on funding from a 2001 tax levy. In 2001, the department served approximately 21,017 people and responded to 1,584 emergencies.
Today, the department serves approximately 30,265 people, which is an increase of 44% from 2001. Crews responded to 2,735 emergencies in 2012, up 58% from 2001 counts. The fact is simple - the fire department cannot provide adequate service to a steadily growing population experiencing an increasing number of emergencies with the same funding level used in 2001.
In 2001 the Clearcreek Fire District promised not to come back to voters for additional funds for at least ten years. That promise has been kept, and as we look forward we commit to the voters not to seek additional operating funds for a period of at least eight years if this levy is approved."
Excuse Me, Forgot to ask... IF there are NO SERVICES without
NEW TAXES.... when this Tax Increase fails to pass..... Will homeowners be REFUNDED the $11 million dollars of revenue for the Fire Department services that have already been generated by local taxpaying homeowners?
Getting Deep

United States

#553 Apr 5, 2013
Excuse Me wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse Me, Forgot to ask... IF there are NO SERVICES without
NEW TAXES.... when this Tax Increase fails to pass..... Will homeowners be REFUNDED the $11 million dollars of revenue for the Fire Department services that have already been generated by local taxpaying homeowners?
Where do you get the $11 million figure? It looks like the DDN is reporting an annual expense of $5.4 million for our FD. Since they get $4.5 mill a year from the levy, seems there's a deficit there....
No Excuses

United States

#554 Apr 5, 2013
The made up numbers and rhetoric only speak to the respiration of the naysayers.

The fact is that the fire department has only sought funding from the taxpayers twice in 26 years. Find another governmental agency that can say that.

Also, all the talk about being "over-taxed"...what about the Dayton Daily article from this past weekend that says Clearcreek is 6TH FROM THE BOTTOM when it comes to property taxes regionally? Who wants to tackle that little fact?

The facts show the fire department has been responsible and that leads me to believe they will in the future. Making a 10 year levy last 13 - again, show me another community that has done that.

The voters of this area need to move past their short-sighted arguments based on corruption at the federal level and realize that this is a local issue with real potential local impacts.

SAY YES TO 3!
focus

Springfield, OH

#555 Apr 5, 2013
KEEP you hard earned dollars by...

VOTE NO on 3..pay raises

VOTE WADE out in NOVEMBER

FIRE PICKETT..another double dipper

KEEP LAMB OUT..another WADE goon.
Not another tax

Dayton, OH

#556 Apr 5, 2013
Last January the Clearcreek Township Trustees held a SPECIAL 4 minute meeting at 8 am. Mr Kidd the fire chief ask for a resolution to put a 4.5 mill levy on the May 7th 2013 ballot. Mr Wade and Mr Gabbard placed resolution 4231 on the agenda and it was voted on. Mr Wade and Mr Gabbard both voted YES, and Trustee Cathy Anspach, the only Conservative trustee we have, voted NO! Mr Kidd ask Ms Anspach why she opposed the new 4.5 mill levy and she simply told him the people of the township can't afford another new tax. Ms Anspach told the chief that according to the fiscal officer, Linda Oda, when he hired the new fire captain last year, that they wouldn't be able to pay him without a levy. Ms Anspach ask the chief what he would do if the levy failed, he told her he would have to lay people off.....
This shockingly high rate of 4.5 mill levy would cost a township home owner $147.00 on every 100K of their home value! Dennis Pickett and fire chief both agreed that a 3.2 mill levy was just NOT ENOUGH to keep all their friends on the payroll....

Now we all know that the FIRST CUT IN EXPENSES after the May 7th Increased Taxes Request FAILS, will be this fire captain Salary that was hired last year. Obviously, township leaders and the city mayor had mistakenly EXPECTED that they could push down voters throats the unnecessary NEED for a NEW fire station in efforts to extort NEW MONEY from LOCAL HOMEOWNERS; and the FIRST STEP of hiring this captain BEFORE the levy is now serving the government's purpose of pushing down voters' throats this "false budget crisis" ...claiming NOW that NEW MONEY is needed just to maintain "services."

Smart Voters need not be fooled by the union's politics of personal destruction, trying to attack the character of these TWO good public servants in Clearcreek Township government leadership who are telling the truth to the public....

Just Spread the thruth that citizens need opportunity to take another look at this Fire Department budget and clear up this disagreement of 2-1 trustees on the NEED for Increased Taxes.

VOTING NO ON MAY 7th is the FIRST step..... on our journey to a more transparent local government for the public;
and greater accountability of our government to the public.
Public Record

United States

#557 Apr 5, 2013
focus wrote:
KEEP you hard earned dollars by...
VOTE NO on 3..pay raises
VOTE WADE out in NOVEMBER
FIRE PICKETT..another double dipper
KEEP LAMB OUT..another WADE goon.
Thanks Cathy. And "No Sense" Jack!
Getting Deep

United States

#558 Apr 5, 2013
The Oda and Anspach goons and their self rightous savior of the taxpayer aura...maybe we can all take notice that Oda is the TRUE double dipper, holding two public positions at once (she's not retired/rehired folks, she supposedly works full time at both)...then she hires and pays a big old staff so she doesn't have to do anything personally...
Maybe Anspach wouldn't hate those guys so much if they hadn't been the ones to expose her corrupt and illegal activity in office...like paying off a policeman to keep her kid from being arrested, then firing him to keep it quiet.
And the firemen haven't asked for a levy in 12 years.
NOW WHO'S CONSERVATIVE???
focus

Springfield, OH

#559 Apr 5, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Cathy. And "No Sense" Jack!
cathy ? jack ? LMAO..you couldn't find your *** with both hands, AKA unionman,getting deep.
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#560 Apr 5, 2013
Getting Deep wrote:
The Oda and Anspach goons and their self rightous savior of the taxpayer aura...maybe we can all take notice that Oda is the TRUE double dipper, holding two public positions at once (she's not retired/rehired folks, she supposedly works full time at both)...then she hires and pays a big old staff so she doesn't have to do anything personally...
Maybe Anspach wouldn't hate those guys so much if they hadn't been the ones to expose her corrupt and illegal activity in office...like paying off a policeman to keep her kid from being arrested, then firing him to keep it quiet.
And the firemen haven't asked for a levy in 12 years.
NOW WHO'S CONSERVATIVE???
...and maybe "Getting Deep" would not project such hostility on this blog toward township trustee Ms. Anspach, IF she had
agreed with Mr. Gabbard and Mr. Wade to support the proposed Tax Increases on local homeowners.

Mrs. Oda had no vote on the decision of the three trustees; so why is Getting Deep so hostile toward her service as a double dipper; but fails to "take notice" that both Mr. Pickett and Mr. Wilhelm are double dippers?

Obviously, Getting Deep only has hostility AGAINST double dippers in the township government who are against the good old boys big old tax increase proposal.

It does appear that enough disfunction in our Township government has been "noticed" by taxpayers that it really is our responsibility to just say NO to this tax increase in May...

...and this will send a clear message to Mr. Pickett and Mr. Kidd to please get to work for the people cutting expenses and reforming the fire department budget and invite the community to be a part of this government process.

We're all grown ups here and we all know that we can't have it all... The "buck" stops with Mr. Pickett and Mr. Kidd to support our hard-working public safety employees, that's what Mr. Pickett and Mr. Kidd get paid the BIG BUCKS to do... so we voters should vote no new money at this time, and this will allow Mr. Pickett and Mr. Kidd to get started on the hard work of "budgeting" within our community resources by giving the greatest needs priority.
Voting Increased Taxes just because it is "Time" is Really No Reason At All to Vote at this time.
unionman

United States

#561 Apr 5, 2013
focus - you are so far from reality I doubt that medication would work, but please try. Turn off fox news, back away from the computer, visit your doctor, and then go try and pick up some job applications.

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