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Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2047 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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unionman

United States

#522 Apr 3, 2013
focus wrote:
When you VOTE NO for ISSUE 3..you vote no to "politics as usual"
You also vote no fire trucks, no ambulances, no protection when you or your family need it most. Sure, if you are selfish its not a big deal if your neighbor needs the help. But what if one day its YOU??

A YES vote on ISSUE 3 assures public safety, quick response when it counts, and the same well-protected community we enjoy now well into the future.

VOTE YES on 3!
unionman

United States

#523 Apr 3, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
... don't be taken in by unionman's blaming the governor, all politics are local;
Weird....every 4 years everyone on TV talks about some Presidential election. I guess if everything is local then he must just be president of Franklin or Centerville or something.

I'll have to find that copy of the Constitution I had back in junior high, I guess my teachers must have been all wrong....
focus

Springfield, OH

#524 Apr 3, 2013
unionman wrote:
<quoted text>
You also vote no fire trucks, no ambulances, no protection when you or your family need it most. Sure, if you are selfish its not a big deal if your neighbor needs the help. But what if one day its YOU??
A YES vote on ISSUE 3 assures public safety, quick response when it counts, and the same well-protected community we enjoy now well into the future.
VOTE YES on 3!
of course, it's the Wade creature who is paid to dispute anyone against the levy...how much is wade paying you, droid ?
unionman

Englewood, OH

#525 Apr 3, 2013
focus wrote:
<quoted text>
of course, it's the Wade creature who is paid to dispute anyone against the levy...how much is wade paying you, droid ?
Nothing, Cathy.
focus

Springfield, OH

#526 Apr 3, 2013
unionman wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing, Cathy.
you are dumber than a box of rocks !
unionman

Englewood, OH

#527 Apr 3, 2013
focus wrote:
<quoted text>
you are dumber than a box of rocks !
Ooooh! A nerve! Such a flame...

YES ON 3!!
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#528 Apr 4, 2013
unionman wrote:
<quoted text>
Weird....every 4 years everyone on TV talks about some Presidential election. I guess if everything is local then he must just be president of Franklin or Centerville or something.
I'll have to find that copy of the Constitution I had back in junior high, I guess my teachers must have been all wrong....
Listen up unionman.... Every time our LOCAL government leaders
in Springboro create a false budget crisis promoting increased taxes on LOCAL homeowners; holding homeowners hostage over things like "endangering our family's safety and loss of property"
..just to scare up, emotionally manipulate, and extort INCREASED TAXES on LOCAL homeowners; SO THAT our government union employees can benefit from increased wages and health care/retirement benefits; ON THE BACKS OF LOCAL HOMEOWNERS; it is local vote and NO MANDATE to vote the presidential way.
Now this May 7th vote to INCREASE TAXES on our homes is all about LOCAL POLITICS OF PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES UNIONISM... prevailing over the Safety of Individual Freedom AND private property RIGHTS to just say NO to the governments request for NEW MONEY out of our household budgets.
Just VOTE Smart! Say No to Tax Increases on our homes; and Yes to cutting expenses of local government.
The Voice of Reason

Englewood, OH

#529 Apr 4, 2013
A YES vote on ISSUE 3 will allow the Clearcreek
Fire District to continue providing professional,
24/7 emergency protection to residents of
Springboro and Clearcreek Township.

Despite protecting 9,248 additional residents and
responding to 1,151 more emergency calls for service, your Clearcreek Fire District has not asked for a levy since 2001.

Since 2001 we have lowered response times and increased coverage dramatically and it is imperative to the safety of our community that we maintain that coverage.

VOTE YES ON ISSUE 3!!
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#530 Apr 4, 2013
unionman wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing, Cathy.
It is easy to see why "unionman" tries to discredit township trustee Cathy Anspach and her good service to the public (for whom she was elected to serve in the best interest of ALL Township residents(not exclusively serving "unionman" best interest with our tax dollars).

Last January the Clearcreek Township Trustees held a SPECIAL 4 minute meeting at 8 am. Mr Kidd the fire chief ask for a resolution to put a 4.5 mill levy on the May 7th 2013 ballot. Mr Wade and Mr Gabbard placed resolution 4231 on the agenda and it was voted on. Mr Wade and Mr Gabbard both voted YES, and Trustee Cathy Anspach, the only Conservative trustee we have, voted NO! Mr Kidd ask Ms Anspach why she opposed the new 4.5 mill levy and she simply told him the people of the township can't afford another new tax. Ms Anspach told the chief that according to the fiscal officer, Linda Oda, when he hired the new fire captain last year, that they wouldn't be able to pay him without a levy. Ms Anspach ask the chief what he would do if the levy failed, he told her he would have to lay people off.....
This shockingly high rate of 4.5 mill levy would cost a township home owner $147.00 on every 100K of their home value! Dennis Pickett and fire chief both agreed that a 3.2 mill levy was just NOT ENOUGH to keep all their friends on the payroll....

Now we all know that the FIRST CUT IN EXPENSES after the May 7th Increased Taxes Request FAILS, will be this fire captain Salary that was hired last year. Obviously, township leaders and the city mayor had mistakenly EXPECTED that they could push down voters throats the unnecessary NEED for a NEW fire station in efforts to extort NEW MONEY from LOCAL HOMEOWNERS; and the FIRST STEP of hiring this captain BEFORE the levy is now serving the government's purpose of pushing down voters' throats this "false budget crisis" ...claiming NOW that NEW MONEY is needed just to maintain "services."

Smart Voters need not be fooled by the union's politics of personal destruction, trying to attack the character of these TWO good public servants in Clearcreek Township government leadership who are telling the truth to the public....

Just Spread the thruth that citizens need opportunity to take another look at this Fire Department budget and clear up this disagreement of 2-1 trustees on the NEED for Increased Taxes.

VOTING NO ON MAY 7th is the FIRST step..... on our journey to a more transparent local government for the public;
and greater accountability of our government to the public.
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#531 Apr 4, 2013
unionman wrote:
<quoted text>
You also vote no fire trucks, no ambulances, no protection when you or your family need it most. Sure, if you are selfish its not a big deal if your neighbor needs the help. But what if one day its YOU??
A YES vote on ISSUE 3 assures public safety, quick response when it counts, and the same well-protected community we enjoy now well into the future.
VOTE YES on 3!
Liar! Liar! pants on fire, unionman!

Eleven Million Dollars of tax revenue generated by local homeowners allows our fire department employees to continue their excellent service to the public!
Taxpayers have done our part in paying for these services and are now saying No Way In May will we agree to increased taxes on our homes.
When the lvey fails, it will be Pickett/Kidd and township trustees who SAY NO to our families needing public safety services; due to their poor financial and leadership manangement of our tax dollars.
Will Pickett/Kidd and trustees Gabbard/Wade say NO to our firefighters needs; and yes to Big administrative costs that
only one truthful trustee questioned?
No bama for this mama

Cincinnati, OH

#532 Apr 4, 2013
unionman wrote:
<quoted text>
Weird....every 4 years everyone on TV talks about some Presidential election. I guess if everything is local then he must just be president of Franklin or Centerville or something.
I'll have to find that copy of the Constitution I had back in junior high, I guess my teachers must have been all wrong....
You're probably right in guessing "teachers must have been ALL wrong..."
BUT, do you know that Washington wants to maintain that status quo of union teachers in the classrooms for ....our children and our grandchildren's future..?

Should the White House control what your kids learn?
By Stanley Kurtz
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/07/sho...
Editor's note: this piece is adapted from "Spreading the Wealth: How Obama is Robbing the Suburbs to Pay for the Cities " (Sentinel HC August 2012).
Truthful

Englewood, OH

#533 Apr 4, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
that only one truthful trustee questioned?
That one "truthful" trustee...Cathy Anspach...was convicted of "bribery, obstruction of justice and ethics charges"...why is she still a trustee?
http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/lo...
Now she does anything she can to vote against those who ratted out her illegal behavior.
Good thing she'll be replaced in a few short months!!
focus

Springfield, OH

#534 Apr 4, 2013
Truthful wrote:
<quoted text>
That one "truthful" trustee...Cathy Anspach...was convicted of "bribery, obstruction of justice and ethics charges"...why is she still a trustee?
http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/lo...
Now she does anything she can to vote against those who ratted out her illegal behavior.
Good thing she'll be replaced in a few short months!!
why is wade still in office, his hands are dirty ?
GlockMedic

United States

#535 Apr 4, 2013
The 2001 leavy lasted 13 years. The one before that 14. So in 27 years the Clearcreek Fire District asked for money twice.

In that time the Fire District has grown from a small one station department to one that has three. They have gone from a Volunteer department to a full time / part time department.

Now they are asking for another leavy that will last them 7 to 10 years. That's not bad in my book and should not be bad in anyone book.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
It is easy to see why "unionman" tries to discredit township trustee Cathy Anspach and her good service to the public (for whom she was elected to serve in the best interest of ALL Township residents(not exclusively serving "unionman" best interest with our tax dollars).
Last January the Clearcreek Township Trustees held a SPECIAL 4 minute meeting at 8 am. Mr Kidd the fire chief ask for a resolution to put a 4.5 mill levy on the May 7th 2013 ballot. Mr Wade and Mr Gabbard placed resolution 4231 on the agenda and it was voted on. Mr Wade and Mr Gabbard both voted YES, and Trustee Cathy Anspach, the only Conservative trustee we have, voted NO! Mr Kidd ask Ms Anspach why she opposed the new 4.5 mill levy and she simply told him the people of the township can't afford another new tax. Ms Anspach told the chief that according to the fiscal officer, Linda Oda, when he hired the new fire captain last year, that they wouldn't be able to pay him without a levy. Ms Anspach ask the chief what he would do if the levy failed, he told her he would have to lay people off.....
This shockingly high rate of 4.5 mill levy would cost a township home owner $147.00 on every 100K of their home value! Dennis Pickett and fire chief both agreed that a 3.2 mill levy was just NOT ENOUGH to keep all their friends on the payroll....
Now we all know that the FIRST CUT IN EXPENSES after the May 7th Increased Taxes Request FAILS, will be this fire captain Salary that was hired last year. Obviously, township leaders and the city mayor had mistakenly EXPECTED that they could push down voters throats the unnecessary NEED for a NEW fire station in efforts to extort NEW MONEY from LOCAL HOMEOWNERS; and the FIRST STEP of hiring this captain BEFORE the levy is now serving the government's purpose of pushing down voters' throats this "false budget crisis" ...claiming NOW that NEW MONEY is needed just to maintain "services."
Smart Voters need not be fooled by the union's politics of personal destruction, trying to attack the character of these TWO good public servants in Clearcreek Township government leadership who are telling the truth to the public....
Just Spread the thruth that citizens need opportunity to take another look at this Fire Department budget and clear up this disagreement of 2-1 trustees on the NEED for Increased Taxes.
VOTING NO ON MAY 7th is the FIRST step..... on our journey to a more transparent local government for the public;
and greater accountability of our government to the public.
What are the facts

Cincinnati, OH

#536 Apr 4, 2013
What are the facts?
Did the Township buy Jason Gabbard's property for $1.5 million for a park? Shouldn't a park levy have been the way to ask the citizen's if they wanted to pay for it?

Was this money to pay Jason Gabbard taken out of the township general fund?

Township homeowners know for a fact that under the leadership of Ed Wade, over-collection of taxes have occurred. We do know that general fund has a big surplus; but that Ed Wade told taxpayers that he believed the government could make better use of the over-collection of tax dollars, than the taxpayers who had earned the money.
Now we do know that township general fund 2013 appropriations designate $40,000 "payment to another political subdivision?"
What does that mean?
Does this mean that township is giving the springboro mayor $40,000 of township homeowners money; and Why is this?
As a taxpaying homeowner (and no politician nor lawyer) I would ask is it even legal tor a Township to collect taxes for a said purpose and then because they have the surplus money, just donate that money collected under false pretenses to another government entity?
It is this Ed Wade judgement of "owning our money to use as his own" that appears "unethical" and down right deceitful to taxpayers.
Now Mr. Wade is agreeing that homeowners need to trust his Wade/Gabbard judgment and just say yes to these huge increased taxes on our homes;or else, our public safety and property is endangered by "slower response time" to our citizens' cries for help, and that just does not justify the Fire Department requesting increased taxes to "double" their budget at the expense of homeowners who are already generating $11 million to the government for protection of public safety.
ONE FACT FOR SURE -- We cannot afford additional taxes and that is why responsible citizens should just say NO on May 7.
No Reason At All

Cincinnati, OH

#537 Apr 4, 2013
The Voice of Reason wrote:
A YES vote on ISSUE 3 will allow the Clearcreek
Fire District to continue providing professional,
24/7 emergency protection to residents of
Springboro and Clearcreek Township.
Despite protecting 9,248 additional residents and
responding to 1,151 more emergency calls for service, your Clearcreek Fire District has not asked for a levy since 2001.
Since 2001 we have lowered response times and increased coverage dramatically and it is imperative to the safety of our community that we maintain that coverage.
VOTE YES ON ISSUE 3!!
CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio — Trustees in Clearcreek Twp.- third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

Still, the trustees voted 2-1 on Thursday to ask voters to approve a continuing 4.5-mill property tax levy expected to raise about $4.4 million a year on the May 7 ballot.

If approved by voters, property owners in the township - and the city of Springboro - would pay an additional $137.81 a year for every $100,000 in property valuation, according to the county auditor's office.-DDN-

No Reason at all for taxpaying homeowners already burdened as the third in net property taxes to vote ourselves this "unreasonable tax increase" for public safety that Pickett/Kidd are pushing down taxpayers throats...or else there will be no firefighters and EMTs to answer our cries for help....
Exactly what is the fire department planning to do with the $11 million of revene generated by local homeowners to protect our safety and our property?
Eleven million dollars can make a lot of fire runs and emergency calls; and based on what is posted in the weekly paper on these runs, there is NO REASON at all to "warn" residents of endangering their safety and property by saying NO to increased taxes on our salaries and our family home budgets.

Homeowners cannot afford to pay increased taxes; Pickett/Kidd and Wade/Gabbard CAN afford to get to work for the public, cutting expenses, starting with that unnecessary salary of newly hired fire captain.
Getting Deep

United States

#538 Apr 4, 2013
What are the facts wrote:
What are the facts?
Did the Township buy Jason Gabbard's property for $1.5 million for a park? Shouldn't a park levy have been the way to ask the citizen's if they wanted to pay for it?
Was this money to pay Jason Gabbard taken out of the township general fund?
Township homeowners know for a fact that under the leadership of Ed Wade, over-collection of taxes have occurred. We do know that general fund has a big surplus; but that Ed Wade told taxpayers that he believed the government could make better use of the over-collection of tax dollars, than the taxpayers who had earned the money.
Now we do know that township general fund 2013 appropriations designate $40,000 "payment to another political subdivision?"
What does that mean?
Does this mean that township is giving the springboro mayor $40,000 of township homeowners money; and Why is this?
As a taxpaying homeowner (and no politician nor lawyer) I would ask is it even legal tor a Township to collect taxes for a said purpose and then because they have the surplus money, just donate that money collected under false pretenses to another government entity?
It is this Ed Wade judgement of "owning our money to use as his own" that appears "unethical" and down right deceitful to taxpayers.
Now Mr. Wade is agreeing that homeowners need to trust his Wade/Gabbard judgment and just say yes to these huge increased taxes on our homes;or else, our public safety and property is endangered by "slower response time" to our citizens' cries for help, and that just does not justify the Fire Department requesting increased taxes to "double" their budget at the expense of homeowners who are already generating $11 million to the government for protection of public safety.
ONE FACT FOR SURE -- We cannot afford additional taxes and that is why responsible citizens should just say NO on May 7.
Hope you have your hip waders on...that's got to be the biggest string of bullcrap I've ever seen someone string together. Bravo on your fictitious story telling skills.
focus

Springfield, OH

#539 Apr 4, 2013
Getting Deep wrote:
<quoted text>
Hope you have your hip waders on...that's got to be the biggest string of bullcrap I've ever seen someone string together. Bravo on your fictitious story telling skills.
funny thing, aka, public record..everyone else is wrong except you *** kissers of the corrupt township leadership.
Getting Deep

United States

#540 Apr 4, 2013
focus wrote:
<quoted text>
funny thing, aka, public record..everyone else is wrong except you *** kissers of the corrupt township leadership.
Well, when you blatantly lie...

Who is public record?
focus

Springfield, OH

#541 Apr 4, 2013
Getting Deep wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, when you blatantly lie...
Who is public record?
lie....example? now who's lying?

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