Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

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CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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eucher141

United States

#302 Mar 21, 2013
Does anyone know where I can get a Yes to 3 sign for my yard?
focus

Dayton, OH

#303 Mar 21, 2013
eucher141 wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get a Yes to 3 sign for my yard?
already have my vote no levy sign.
Lighten Up

Piqua, OH

#304 Mar 21, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Springboro residents pay the exact same property taxes as a township resident, in theory anyway. Since the city has seen the most residential growth it is true that they don't pay as much as we have over the years. The easy fix for that is a new levy, which will reset the calculations and level the playing field for all, making sure ALL city residents pay exactly what we pay. I agree with you there. That's part of why I am saying Yes To 3.
Just for the record -- is that "playing field" that needs to be leveled with homeowners hard earned "greenbacks" covered with artificial green turf?

It sounds stupid to expect township homeowners to just say yes to hundreds of dollars of tax increases on our homes, just to FIX things for Springboro's growth spurt.

The most stupid growth the city of Springboro has seen is that huge "government center" building costing Springboro residents millions of dollars! Now the city of Springboro expects that Clearcreek Township government just has to force increased taxes on already heavily taxed township homeowners to "level the playing field for Springboro's growth spurt?"

The FIX that local homeowners need is new leadership in Clearcreek Township and City of Springboro. City of Springboro and Clearcreek Towship government administrators need to "level the playing field" by combining resources, cutting expenses, eliminating high cost administrative salaries, and continue serving the public, instead of demanding "an easy fix" of new money from homeowners.

Just Vote No New Taxes! No Easy Fix in May!
focus

Dayton, OH

#305 Mar 21, 2013
Lighten Up wrote:
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Just for the record -- is that "playing field" that needs to be leveled with homeowners hard earned "greenbacks" covered with artificial green turf?
It sounds stupid to expect township homeowners to just say yes to hundreds of dollars of tax increases on our homes, just to FIX things for Springboro's growth spurt.
The most stupid growth the city of Springboro has seen is that huge "government center" building costing Springboro residents millions of dollars! Now the city of Springboro expects that Clearcreek Township government just has to force increased taxes on already heavily taxed township homeowners to "level the playing field for Springboro's growth spurt?"
The FIX that local homeowners need is new leadership in Clearcreek Township and City of Springboro. City of Springboro and Clearcreek Towship government administrators need to "level the playing field" by combining resources, cutting expenses, eliminating high cost administrative salaries, and continue serving the public, instead of demanding "an easy fix" of new money from homeowners.
Just Vote No New Taxes! No Easy Fix in May!
Actually the worst decision the city ever made was to build that sinkhole called Heatherwoode golf course. By the time the course is paid off, the city will lose approximately 3 million dollars.
Public Record

United States

#306 Mar 21, 2013
Lighten Up wrote:
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Just for the record -- is that "playing field" that needs to be leveled with homeowners hard earned "greenbacks" covered with artificial green turf?
It sounds stupid to expect township homeowners to just say yes to hundreds of dollars of tax increases on our homes, just to FIX things for Springboro's growth spurt.
The most stupid growth the city of Springboro has seen is that huge "government center" building costing Springboro residents millions of dollars! Now the city of Springboro expects that Clearcreek Township government just has to force increased taxes on already heavily taxed township homeowners to "level the playing field for Springboro's growth spurt?"
The FIX that local homeowners need is new leadership in Clearcreek Township and City of Springboro. City of Springboro and Clearcreek Towship government administrators need to "level the playing field" by combining resources, cutting expenses, eliminating high cost administrative salaries, and continue serving the public, instead of demanding "an easy fix" of new money from homeowners.
You need to read and understand the issue. When the last levy was passed in 2001, we all paid our share based on our property value. As new people move in, the share they pay is less because the same tax is collected but its spread among more homeowners. We still pay the same we always have. It won't get leveled out until the new levy is passed May 7th. That's part of the reason I am saying yes to 3.
Public Record

United States

#307 Mar 21, 2013
eucher141 wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get a Yes to 3 sign for my yard?
Euchere - you can request one from their website:

yesto3.com/signrequest.php
focus

Dayton, OH

#308 Mar 22, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Euchere - you can request one from their website:
yesto3.com/signrequest.php
And just who is paying for these signs ? I don't see any cost mentioned on your website.
focus

Dayton, OH

#309 Mar 22, 2013
focus wrote:
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And just who is paying for these signs ? I don't see any cost mentioned on your website.
Let me guess....the taxpayers !
Great, using our money to ram down our throats a levy alot of us don't want. Way to go WADE, PICKETT, and GARBARD !
No New Taxes

Piqua, OH

#310 Mar 22, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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You need to read and understand the issue. When the last levy was passed in 2001, we all paid our share based on our property value. As new people move in, the share they pay is less because the same tax is collected but its spread among more homeowners. We still pay the same we always have. It won't get leveled out until the new levy is passed May 7th. That's part of the reason I am saying yes to 3.
No way can we afford to cut more out of our household budget to pay for collective government services. That's the whole reason why we are saying No Way In May to increased property taxes on family homes. We 100% agree with the township trustee who voted NO for increased taxes; We 100% vote for the township government to cut expenses.

Since: Aug 12

Marysville, OH

#311 Mar 22, 2013
Lighten Up wrote:
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Just for the record -- is that "playing field" that needs to be leveled with homeowners hard earned "greenbacks" covered with artificial green turf?
It sounds stupid to expect township homeowners to just say yes to hundreds of dollars of tax increases on our homes, just to FIX things for Springboro's growth spurt.
The most stupid growth the city of Springboro has seen is that huge "government center" building costing Springboro residents millions of dollars! Now the city of Springboro expects that Clearcreek Township government just has to force increased taxes on already heavily taxed township homeowners to "level the playing field for Springboro's growth spurt?"
The FIX that local homeowners need is new leadership in Clearcreek Township and City of Springboro. City of Springboro and Clearcreek Towship government administrators need to "level the playing field" by combining resources, cutting expenses, eliminating high cost administrative salaries, and continue serving the public, instead of demanding "an easy fix" of new money from homeowners.
Just Vote No New Taxes! No Easy Fix in May!
And Heatherwood Golf Course! The city is losing money there so the Township Helps the city with the cost of the library and astro turfing the park fields etc. So if you live in the Township but in Waynesville, Lebanon or Franklin is it fair you have to help pay for Springboro recreations also?
The township has the power to collect taxes for the citizens NEEDS, police and fire/EMT should be FIRST and it can come out of the general fund, 1.5 mill for farmland that won't be a park for heaven knows how long and astro turf are not needs, huge salaries and double dipping when the personal income level in the US drop 3.6%, the most in 20 years.
STOP THE WASTE VOTE NO in May and vote Wade out in November!
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#312 Mar 22, 2013
focus wrote:
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Let me guess....the taxpayers !
Great, using our money to ram down our throats a levy alot of us don't want. Way to go WADE, PICKETT, and GARBARD !
You should do a public record request and find out who paid for them. You could look on the township website when the monthly payments are posted.

I'm pretty sure using public dollars for something like that would be illegal...seems like a pretty far stretch to me.

It's a good thing "a lot of us" likely includes your imaginary friends and multiple personalities.
unionman

Englewood, OH

#313 Mar 22, 2013
Yeah! Yeah! Vote down the fire levy because we don't like astroturf!

Really??

Ridiculous...showing your true side now.
Public Record

Piqua, OH

#314 Mar 22, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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You should do a public record request and find out who paid for them. You could look on the township website when the monthly payments are posted.
I'm pretty sure using public dollars for something like that would be illegal...seems like a pretty far stretch to me.
It's a good thing "a lot of us" likely includes your imaginary friends and multiple personalities.
These double dipping salaries of Township Administrator ($85,000) and Assistant Administrators ($89,020) is for sure a pretty far stretch "into the wallets of township homeowners."
It's interesting to note in the March 14 Springboro Sun news article "public hearing scheduled" that "Warren County has the highest cost of living in Ohio...and Warren County's median income is $68,700 for a family of four. Now why in the world are heavily tax-burdened Township homeowners paying these high cost administrators a salary that is so much more "elite" than the working class people who are "stretching our wallets thin" already to pay for "collective" local government services?

Our Township/Springboro government leaders do not need more money; Township/Springboro citizens need less government to support; and better management of our tax dollars. Just Say No to Increased Taxes on our Family Homes. It is the only way for taxpayers to have our voice heard in our local government.
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#315 Mar 22, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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These double dipping salaries of Township Administrator ($85,000) and Assistant Administrators ($89,020) is for sure a pretty far stretch "into the wallets of township homeowners."
It's interesting to note in the March 14 Springboro Sun news article "public hearing scheduled" that "Warren County has the highest cost of living in Ohio...and Warren County's median income is $68,700 for a family of four. Now why in the world are heavily tax-burdened Township homeowners paying these high cost administrators a salary that is so much more "elite" than the working class people who are "stretching our wallets thin" already to pay for "collective" local government services?
Our Township/Springboro government leaders do not need more money; Township/Springboro citizens need less government to support; and better management of our tax dollars. Just Say No to Increased Taxes on our Family Homes. It is the only way for taxpayers to have our voice heard in our local government.
Interestingly enough, the uninformed contributors are once again making up "facts" to push their agenda and sure enough, its rooted in lies. No surprise here.

The REAL median income for Clearcreek Township is $105,235. The mean income is even more -$121,730! I'll actually link to my data source, since it isn't fictitious:

http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableserv...

I want professional, well paid administrators managing our government. Think things are screwed up now? Try bringing in a $50,000 administrator then tell me what you have to gripe about...much more than artificial turf, I dare say.

Say YES TO 3 on May 7!
focus

Dayton, OH

#316 Mar 22, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Interestingly enough, the uninformed contributors are once again making up "facts" to push their agenda and sure enough, its rooted in lies. No surprise here.
The REAL median income for Clearcreek Township is $105,235. The mean income is even more -$121,730! I'll actually link to my data source, since it isn't fictitious:
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableserv...
I want professional, well paid administrators managing our government. Think things are screwed up now? Try bringing in a $50,000 administrator then tell me what you have to gripe about...much more than artificial turf, I dare say.
Say YES TO 3 on May 7!
so, you're saying pickett deserves the 144k he is bringing down ? are you nuts ?
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#317 Mar 22, 2013
focus wrote:
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so, you're saying pickett deserves the 144k he is bringing down ? are you nuts ?
$85,000 or $144,000?? Now you can't even make up your mind! Pickett makes $20k less than the average township resident. I'm not saying anything about what he deserves or doesn't deserve.
Public Record - The Fake One wrote:
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Now why in the world are heavily tax-burdened Township homeowners paying these high cost administrators a salary that is so much more "elite" than the working class people who are "stretching our wallets thin" already to pay for "collective" local government services?
I'm just making the point that you are misrepresenting the facts and lying to paint a picture that furthers your silly agenda.
eucher141

Englewood, OH

#318 Mar 22, 2013
I'm voting yes to 3, for sure. It only makes sense..
focus

Dayton, OH

#319 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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$85,000 or $144,000?? Now you can't even make up your mind! Pickett makes $20k less than the average township resident. I'm not saying anything about what he deserves or doesn't deserve.
<quoted text>
I'm just making the point that you are misrepresenting the facts and lying to paint a picture that furthers your silly agenda.
he's double dipping....add that and he almost makes as much as the governor of this state. Also, I preferr my administrators not to have drinking problems.
Stand Up To Bullies

Piqua, OH

#320 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Interestingly enough, the uninformed contributors are once again making up "facts" to push their agenda and sure enough, its rooted in lies. No surprise here.
The REAL median income for Clearcreek Township is $105,235. The mean income is even more -$121,730! I'll actually link to my data source, since it isn't fictitious:
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableserv...
I want professional, well paid administrators managing our government. Think things are screwed up now? Try bringing in a $50,000 administrator then tell me what you have to gripe about...much more than artificial turf, I dare say.
Say YES TO 3 on May 7!
Dare to stand up to these wealthy township bully ones earning incomes of $121,730, while promoting Increased Taxes on family homes.
If our rich Township government thinks the system works better for the rich when the rich government leaders over-tax the homes of the "least of these"...(including homeowners who have no big income, but pay taxes on family homes from dipping into dwindling retirement savings) then dare to Vote NO to increased taxes on our homes and question WHY...If the wealth of township citizens is in the big salaries earned; then why doesn't the wealthy government Tax the income earned?
Who Is Telling Lies

Piqua, OH

#321 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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$85,000 or $144,000?? Now you can't even make up your mind! Pickett makes $20k less than the average township resident. I'm not saying anything about what he deserves or doesn't deserve.
<quoted text>
I'm just making the point that you are misrepresenting the facts and lying to paint a picture that furthers your silly agenda.
Stop bullying Public Record.

It is NO LIE that Clearcreek Township Public Records released by Township Assistant Administrator, Ronald L. Wilhlem, states the salary of Dennis A. Pickett, Township Administrator,$85,000,
retired/rehired.

Is the Township LYING to the public by keeping "hidden" the facts of Mr. Pickett's REAL financial gain as big douple dipper wage earner?
__________

More comments about Double Dipping, you can find out how many people in your local schools, local townships and Cities are retired and rehired. Ask for the records of whom is currently a retire rehire and how much they make. It is a public record and is your right to know.

It happened right here in Clearcreek Township. When Dennis Pickett retired July a year ago, Trustee President Mr Ed Wade couldn't wait the 75 days required by law to rehire Mr Picket so he could join the ranks of the double dippers too. With 5,000.00 per month from the township retirement, then add that to his new salary of 85,000.00 and that does not include his car allowance and several other perks, the one I like is he can come to work or not,( no joke ). He can choose to come to work when at his own choice. That comes to about what most of us hard working tax payers make, 144,000.00, RIGHT!
The only way to put a stop to these buzzards flying around the pot of gold is to stop paying taxes. When we all do that then the public workers will come down to earth, like us.

They will never realize that our financial crisis is due to their spending, padding government pockets, protecting each other, taking from the real work force until we stop handing it over to them. Take these spenders out of office, say no to new and existing taxes, downsize your tax burden. We have also have triple dippers in our government.

VOTE NO WAY IN MAY TO INCREASED TAXES ON OUR FAMILY HOMES!

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