Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

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CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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Public Record

Piqua, OH

#282 Mar 17, 2013
Township government must problem solve ways to charge Springboro residents that do not pay for ambulance and fire services; Township could consider charging for the emergency runs to Springboro residents.
The city manager of Springboro voted herself a big salary increase and then sent notice to township residents that our water bill to the city of Springboro would double in cost; because the City of Springboro needed the money.
Water services are just as life saving to township residents dependent on the City of Springboro to provide, as fire and ambulance services provided by the township to Springboro residents.
Therefore, township needs to send a bill to the Springboro resident if more money is needed to provide public services.
We are going to have to shift some responsibility back onto private citizens instead of expecting "collective increased taxes" for services that the majority of individual households, fortunately never have to use.
We are over-insured by the threats of local government to shut down services IF homeowners don't pay up.
VOTE NO WAY IN MAY FOR INCREASED TAXES ON OUR HOMES.
unionman

Englewood, OH

#283 Mar 17, 2013
focus wrote:
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you are no Pulitzer prize winner yourself there, inspite of all the aliases you use on this board. You are fooling no one.
Aliases? That's it...its a conspiracy theory. Whack job..
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#284 Mar 17, 2013
Public Record wrote:
Township government must problem solve ways to charge Springboro residents that do not pay for ambulance and fire services; Township could consider charging for the emergency runs to Springboro residents.
The city manager of Springboro voted herself a big salary increase and then sent notice to township residents that our water bill to the city of Springboro would double in cost; because the City of Springboro needed the money.
Water services are just as life saving to township residents dependent on the City of Springboro to provide, as fire and ambulance services provided by the township to Springboro residents.
Therefore, township needs to send a bill to the Springboro resident if more money is needed to provide public services.
Springboro residents pay the exact same property taxes as a township resident, in theory anyway. Since the city has seen the most residential growth it is true that they don't pay as much as we have over the years. The easy fix for that is a new levy, which will reset the calculations and level the playing field for all, making sure ALL city residents pay exactly what we pay. I agree with you there. That's part of why I am saying Yes To 3.

Since: Aug 09

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#285 Mar 17, 2013
unionman wrote:
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What's that have to do with anything?
Are you really that naive?
pirate

Dayton, OH

#286 Mar 17, 2013
Notice how the pro levy names here copy those that are opposed to the levy...talk about sleazy. How desperate are you people?
unionman

Englewood, OH

#287 Mar 17, 2013
pirate wrote:
Notice how the pro levy names here copy those that are opposed to the levy...talk about sleazy. How desperate are you people?
I believe that to be the other way around...
old man

Dayton, OH

#288 Mar 17, 2013
unionman wrote:
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I'm not familiar with the pizza issue, but with this fire levy most residents would pay less than a senior would pay for a cup of coffee at a restaurant. Since most seniors realize they are the most likely ones to need an ambulance one day I'm sure most will join me in saying YES TO 3!
I am a senior citizen and I will be voting NO to this levy. I cannot afford any more taxes.
unionman

United States

#289 Mar 17, 2013
old man wrote:
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I am a senior citizen and I will be voting NO to this levy. I cannot afford any more taxes.
OK, "old man" aka "focus" aka "NABF" aka "pirate"...I encourage you to do you civic duty and cast your single ballot.
Truth Be Told

Piqua, OH

#290 Mar 18, 2013
unionman wrote:
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I believe that to be the other way around...
Unionman's projected belief, as shown through comments on this issued of increased taxes, reflects the unionmasters indoctrination of unionized politics of personal destruction to attack character of neighbors (who believe differently than union indoctrination politics) in their unionmasters severely misguided attempts to distract from the truth of the issues, and seeking to discredit those who are spreading the truth.

Unionman's comments on this blog hold true to their school of union indoctrination and domination, in the union's severely misguided attempts to silence all public opposition to union indoctrination; AND to take out of public office all elected officials, who hold true their beliefs of Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Govbernment, and Free Markets.
unionman

United States

#291 Mar 18, 2013
Truth Be Told wrote:
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Unionman's projected belief, as shown through comments on this issued of increased taxes, reflects the unionmasters indoctrination of unionized politics of personal destruction to attack character of neighbors (who believe differently than union indoctrination politics) in their unionmasters severely misguided attempts to distract from the truth of the issues, and seeking to discredit those who are spreading the truth.
Unionman's comments on this blog hold true to their school of union indoctrination and domination, in the union's severely misguided attempts to silence all public opposition to union indoctrination; AND to take out of public office all elected officials, who hold true their beliefs of Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Govbernment, and Free Markets.
Then who jerks your strings? The tea party puppet master?
Get Real

Piqua, OH

#292 Mar 19, 2013
Lighten Up, unionman, Warren County voters have proven at the polls that the bark of lapdogs for the union masters is worse than the bite out of our wallets. No New Taxes on our family homes.
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#293 Mar 19, 2013
Get Real wrote:
Lighten Up, unionman, Warren County voters have proven at the polls that the bark of lapdogs for the union masters is worse than the bite out of our wallets. No New Taxes on our family homes.
What's going to bite is when your wallet is inside your burning house along with all your other earthly possessions and the firefighters that are already stretched thin are busy helping someone else on the other side of town.
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#294 Mar 19, 2013
Get the facts - say yes to Issue 3.

http://www.YesTo3.com
Healthy Choice

Piqua, OH

#295 Mar 20, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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What's going to bite is when your wallet is inside your burning house along with all your other earthly possessions and the firefighters that are already stretched thin are busy helping someone else on the other side of town.
Just say no way in May to increased taxes on our homes for protection against the union bullies threats to do us all harm IF we don't give them OUR cup per day of coffee! Encouraging these bullies with NEW MONEY for the fire levy is addictive and they will only come back for more.

Township and city governments have plenty of money; what is missing is transparency and accountability. When it comes to layering up the articifial green on Springboro parks, the union masters in local government work together to get what they want; Now it's time to cut expenses and work together to fund the ambulance and fire protection services need to maintain our same level of excellent services to all taxpaying homeowners, with NO NEW TAXES.
Healthy Choice

Piqua, OH

#296 Mar 20, 2013
Public Record wrote:
Get the facts - say yes to Issue 3.
http://www.YesTo3.com
Just say NO NEW TAXES to the Wade/Gabbard approved fire levy on the May 7 ballot... when the tax increase fails, only then will our government make the choice to cut out threats of stopping services to the public; and just cut expenses and reform the taxpayers budget, living within the means of our community.
Public Record

United States

#297 Mar 20, 2013
Healthy Choice wrote:
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Just say NO NEW TAXES to the Wade/Gabbard approved fire levy on the May 7 ballot... when the tax increase fails, only then will our government make the choice to cut out threats of stopping services to the public; and just cut expenses and reform the taxpayers budget, living within the means of our community.
There is a big difference between a threat and an economic reality. If the money isn't there, they're not going to run the trucks on pretend fuel. There's a point where you have to put your agenda aside and use common sense to approve funding for our local first responders. It just plain makes sense. Who else can say its been over 12 years since they've asked for a levy. Not the schools, for sure. These guys are doing it right and have been responsible. Plus, a new levy means all the newcomers get to help fund the services too. Vote yes on 3 on May 7th!
No New Taxes

Piqua, OH

#298 Mar 21, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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There is a big difference between a threat and an economic reality. If the money isn't there, they're not going to run the trucks on pretend fuel. There's a point where you have to put your agenda aside and use common sense to approve funding for our local first responders. It just plain makes sense. Who else can say its been over 12 years since they've asked for a levy. Not the schools, for sure. These guys are doing it right and have been responsible. Plus, a new levy means all the newcomers get to help fund the services too. Vote yes on 3 on May 7th!
Don't be fooled by this manipulation!

The only common sense vote is NO TAX INCREASE on our family homes.

Clearcreek township homeowners have been over-taxed for years, by the same township government leadership who refused to give Township homeowners a 2013 tax holiday. Our township government leadership ignored the recommendation of the elected fiscal officer, who reported at public meeting that the township government could well afford a tax holiday.

Clearcreek township government leaders refused the cautious reminder the township trustee who pointed to the fact that hiring a second assistant fire chief was not necessary; and that the new employee would need to be let go IF the 2013 tax increase failed.
Concerned citizens from the township spoke in opposition of the additional tax burden of another assistant fire chief.
Clearcreek township government leaders refused to listen to common sense township voters.

Common sense voters are fully educated to the FACTS that the only thing that we can do to get our voices heard by Clearcreek Township Government leaders is to VOTE NO TAX INCREASES ON OUR HOMES. When the levy fails in May, then the government will cut the unnecessary expense of the second assistant fire chief.
Then the $84,515.00 annual salary, plus costly benefits of health/retirement insurance, can be put back into services to the well being of the public (such as purchasing gasoline for emergency vehicles).

Then, after the fire chief puts this
$84,515/plus annual salary (an unnecessary administrators
big expense to the the taxpayers) the fire chief and the towship
government administrators can start problem solvings ways to charge newcomers to Springboro their fair share of taxes for fire and ambulence service.
Dale Lambb chops

Dayton, OH

#299 Mar 21, 2013
Hi folks...Here I am again wanting your support to let me double dip along with Dennis Pickett. I need you to pass this levy so we double dippers can keep our dad's (Wade) township millions used for purposes we want, not you, the taxpayers. I want your vote and your money.
Public Record

United States

#300 Mar 21, 2013
No New Taxes wrote:
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Don't be fooled by this manipulation!
The only common sense vote is NO TAX INCREASE on our family homes.
Clearcreek township homeowners have been over-taxed for years, by the same township government leadership who refused to give Township homeowners a 2013 tax holiday. Our township government leadership ignored the recommendation of the elected fiscal officer, who reported at public meeting that the township government could well afford a tax holiday.
Clearcreek township government leaders refused the cautious reminder the township trustee who pointed to the fact that hiring a second assistant fire chief was not necessary; and that the new employee would need to be let go IF the 2013 tax increase failed.
Concerned citizens from the township spoke in opposition of the additional tax burden of another assistant fire chief.
Clearcreek township government leaders refused to listen to common sense township voters.
Common sense voters are fully educated to the FACTS that the only thing that we can do to get our voices heard by Clearcreek Township Government leaders is to VOTE NO TAX INCREASES ON OUR HOMES. When the levy fails in May, then the government will cut the unnecessary expense of the second assistant fire chief.
Then the $84,515.00 annual salary, plus costly benefits of health/retirement insurance, can be put back into services to the well being of the public (such as purchasing gasoline for emergency vehicles).
Then, after the fire chief puts this
$84,515/plus annual salary (an unnecessary administrators
big expense to the the taxpayers) the fire chief and the towship
government administrators can start problem solvings ways to charge newcomers to Springboro their fair share of taxes for fire and ambulence service.
Don't be fooled by this ignorant comment, this gentlemen obviously doesn't follow the actual minutes and records of the trustees nor does he understand the laws that constrain how government works. A refresher on high school government class would be beneficial.

The Fire Dept has not added a position to the department in 3 years, and those were paramedics not chiefs. There has been three fire chiefs since my son volunteered there over 10 years ago.

The "fiscally conservative" trustee Anspach voted down the tax holiday. Even she could see the facts there. That money would have neber ended up back to the taxpayers, either way.

A new tax levy is the ONLY way, legally, the newcomers will have to pay what we all do. Its plain as that. There is no other way. That's part of why this is so important.

Don't believe the lies of the greedy, self-centered opposition. These radical extremists don't understand or appreciate the needs of our community. Vote Yes on 3 come May 7th.
Truth Hound

United States

#301 Mar 21, 2013
This debate about the levy is comical, the people against it only try to find whatever they can to support their hatred for Mr. Gabbard and Mr. Wade.

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