Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

Feb 1, 2013 Full story: EMS1 2,043

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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focus

Englewood, OH

#262 Mar 16, 2013
focus wrote:
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A cup of coffee a day huh? A different spin on the same smoke and mirror routine the school levy Nazis used, until the public wised up to the nonsense. I am voting NO.
Oh wait...this is for the fire department, not those like me sour about the schools. Accept my apologies, I'll try to find the right forum next time.

Yes to 3!
focus

Englewood, OH

#263 Mar 16, 2013
Wake Up Sleepy Head wrote:
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Wake up and vote no on this May 7 tax increase on our family homes! There are gobs of tax increases coming from the state that those of us in our affluent bedroom communities will NOT have opportunity to say NO. Our township double dipper local government officials are not the only government officials knocking on the door of our bedroom community of "Yes to 3 voters" who are dreaming "hopes of audacity" that important items don't increase in price... Where have you been? Wake up to the reality of our governor's proposed statewide tax increases on everything from hair cuts to funeral expenses (just another reason to vote no to the fire levy/better let grandparents pocked that money to pay their funeral taxes).
Rumor has it that fifteen state government officials are double dippers, Nine with the letter (R) and Six with the letter (D).
Our state wide legislatures will also be voting Yes or No to the governor's budget proposal to indebt Ohio taxpayers to the failing federal government "nobamacare" Medicaid insurance.
Wow...focus....you seem to hate everyone? Not really sure who you're for now, seems your just AGAINST everyone!
focus

Englewood, OH

#264 Mar 16, 2013
focus wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, I have a neighbor who works with the fire dept...he is also voting no.
Nevermind...he works with me at the wastewater department, no wonder we smell like a turds.
focus

Dayton, OH

#265 Mar 16, 2013
can't stand the truth, so you try to decredit me...typical township propaganda. vote no to this crap.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#266 Mar 16, 2013
I am opposed to this fire levy. The township leadership is embracing double dipping, and are using this levy as a ruse.
Wake Up Sleepy Head

Piqua, OH

#267 Mar 16, 2013
focus wrote:
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Wow...focus....you seem to hate everyone? Not really sure who you're for now, seems your just AGAINST everyone!
My right to Vote NO NEW TAXES on my family's home is not "AGAINST everyone." It is just doing what is right FOR everyone.
(even our tunnel vision friends who can't see there is no light at the end of the big government waste tunnel).
unionman

United States

#268 Mar 16, 2013
focus wrote:
can't stand the truth, so you try to decredit me...typical township propaganda. vote no to this crap.
You do a fine job of that yourself with your right wing extremist agenda and your call fo jihad on our local government.
jdpataskla

United States

#269 Mar 16, 2013
I support the fire levy.
fact finder

United States

#270 Mar 17, 2013
I have researched the facts and found this fire levy to be important and well worth the investment. I can't believe the lies being spread to try and reduce our emergency service levels. I'm voting yes on 3 and so should anyone else.
matt koster

United States

#271 Mar 17, 2013
I am voting for Issue 3. It is important to me that our firefighters are there when we need them. I live close to the career center and its important they get here quickly if I need them. I don't want to wait for them to come all the way from springboro.
unionman

United States

#272 Mar 17, 2013
The more the facts come out, the more the naysayers fall silent. Yes to 3!
focus

Dayton, OH

#273 Mar 17, 2013
unionman wrote:
The more the facts come out, the more the naysayers fall silent. Yes to 3!
dream on !
Healthy Choice

Piqua, OH

#274 Mar 17, 2013
Looks like the good old American way of politics
is alive and well in Springboro, as we battle once again in May, our severely misguided leaders who think local government works better for them when the government takes more money from homeowners and then spreads it around to their very own.

Our local government has a great big appetite to fatten up on a sixteen-ounce steak "lifestyle" when all that is necessary for a healthy meal is a steak just about the size of a deck of cards.

Don't allow township government to play us all for fools in their little gamble that we'll vote ourselves increased taxes on our homes!
There is plenty of money to provide needed fire and ambulance services; And if double dealing Picket can shuffle the cards to Gabbard/Wade to spend more money on parks; then Pickett, Gabbard/Wade can exercise the healthy choice of shuffling off that big surplus to spend more of taxpayers money on maintaining our excellent fire and ambulance services, living within our means, with NO NEW TAXES.
unionman

United States

#275 Mar 17, 2013
focus wrote:
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dream on !
....Or come back with two word responses that don't pertain to the topic.
unionman

United States

#276 Mar 17, 2013
Healthy Choice wrote:
Our local government has a great big appetite to fatten up on a sixteen-ounce steak "lifestyle" when all that is necessary for a healthy meal is a steak just about the size of a deck of cards.
Steak comes from cows, but looks like you're just feeding us a line of bull....
No New Taxes

Piqua, OH

#277 Mar 17, 2013
What are the facts?
Did the Township buy Jason Gabbard's property for $1.5 million for a park? Shouldn't a park levy have been the way to ask the citizen's if they wanted to pay for it?
Did the township trustee's refuse to give the taxpayer's a tax holiday as recommended by the fiscal officer for money collected but in her words not needed? Does the Township not have a surplus of cash between $12-14 Million?
The article states: "
"Unlike in other townships, Kidd pointed out his department covers a city and township. As a bedroom community, Clearcreek Twp. also lacks commercial development that can lessen the tax burden on homeowners, he added.
Since 2001, the service area's population practically has doubled, while the department has continued to operate on existing levies and grants, officials said."
Doesn't the city pay the township for this service?
Why does the Township lack commercial development? Unfriendly zoning and over taxation? If the service area's population has doubled, are not the new residents also paying taxes for this service?
If you read the meeting minutes employees are getting raises and new equipment and training are being purchased.
Maybe the Township trustees should do a survey to see how many residents have lost their jobs or taken pay cuts, how many businesses have shut down,how many businesses are struggling, how many residents are struggling, how many foreclosures there are, and how much the property value has fallen.
Is there a Budget posted on the Township website? Why does the 2012 annual financial report have all zeros'?
What are the facts?

....No New Taxes; First, Cut Expenses; Reform the budget; Get to work problem soliving way to continue our excellent fire and ambulance services to the public; living within our means, with NO NEW TAXES.
focus

Dayton, OH

#278 Mar 17, 2013
unionman wrote:
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....Or come back with two word responses that don't pertain to the topic.
you are no Pulitzer prize winner yourself there, inspite of all the aliases you use on this board. You are fooling no one.
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#279 Mar 17, 2013
No New Taxes wrote:
Did the Township buy Jason Gabbard's property for $1.5 million for a park? Shouldn't a park levy have been the way to ask the citizen's if they wanted to pay for it?
Did you exercise your right, as I have, to come to the township trustee's meetings and address issues like this that are important to you? You can't complain if you don't participate and ask questions directly.
No New Taxes wrote:
Doesn't the city pay the township for this service?
No, they don't. Check the city's financial reports. The city residents pay property tax just like we do in the township.
No New Taxes wrote:
Why does the Township lack commercial development? Unfriendly zoning and over taxation?
The residents of the township, myself and my neighbors included, don't want a bunch of big industry out here. That's why we settled here. I moved away from an area in New York that kept popping up factories and all the traffic and noise related to it. People like me do not want lots of commercial development.
No New Taxes wrote:
If the service area's population has doubled, are not the new residents also paying taxes for this service?
No, and they won't until we pass a new levy. It's a quirk in the system. If you don't believe me, call the auditor's office like I did. They'll explain it. Basically, until a new levy is passed the newcomers will never pay what we've been paying since 2001. Once the levy passes the playing field is leveled and it becomes much more fair.
No New Taxes wrote:
If you read the meeting minutes employees are getting raises and new equipment and training are being purchased.
Well, I would hope they are still meeting their obligations. I don't want a bunch of poorly trained men with broken down trucks showing up at my house.
No New Taxes wrote:
Is there a Budget posted on the Township website? Why does the 2012 annual financial report have all zeros'?
The budget and all the monthly financials are up there, I look through every now and then, both the city and the township. You can get the reports from the state auditor too.
No New Taxes wrote:
Get to work problem soliving way to continue our excellent fire and ambulance services to the public
That's exactly what this issue is about, solving the problem of outdated funding, leveling the playing field so we all pay our fair share, and most importantly continuing excellent service like you state. That's why we need a YES on ISSUE 3.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#280 Mar 17, 2013
Funny, but what a coincidence that the mayors' son works for the fire dept...oh boy, more union money thrown into the campaign to pass this levy...that's why the levy STINKS to high heaven. The good ole boy network is in full propaganda mode now.
unionman

Englewood, OH

#281 Mar 17, 2013
NABF wrote:
Funny, but what a coincidence that the mayors' son works for the fire dept...oh boy, more union money thrown into the campaign to pass this levy...that's why the levy STINKS to high heaven. The good ole boy network is in full propaganda mode now.
What's that have to do with anything?

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