Is Ohio next on right-to-work battlefront?

Dec 12, 2012 Full story: WKYC-TV 183

As neighboring Michigan became the 24th state Tuesday to enact laws that prohibit agreements requiring workers to join a union or pay dues, Ohio groups that support the laws say the Buckeye State has to follow suit or watch jobs leave.

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Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#122 Feb 5, 2013
I'm sure it'll be union. Being in a RTW stage doesn't mean it can't be union.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#123 Feb 5, 2013
As much as it makes derays ears bleed, the only thing RTW does is guarantee the unions are doing their damn job for the workers or else the workers don't have to pay their union dues. In other words, folks don't have to put up with their unions BS.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#124 Feb 5, 2013
deray wrote:
The best thing for everyone is to push for federal laws that will put minimums on how low companies and corporations can go one wages and benefits for everyone. Bare minimum must be above poverty level $10.00 per hour is the edge of the poverty level here in the US and it must be adjusted up according to inflation. They say that would be allot better than the $7.25 the federal government has been stuck on for years now.
As far as benefits, health insurance for the individual and family should be a given, dental and eyes for children in particular should be a given. How they decide to do this paid by the company to the insurance or to the government really make no difference as long as its done.
In my view the best arrangement would be a written contract between the employer and employee agreement set by federal government guidelines what the minimums would be under each job description and what the rewards would be for doing the job according to the contract. The government already have job descriptions for every job that is done in the United States it would be a simple thing.
If either the employer or employee broke the contract, say employer not paying overtime than steep penalties should be applied paid to the employee and the government. If an employer breaks the law on hiring illegals than very steep penalties should be applied. A employee should not have to get an attorney programs should be in place by the government.
Employees should also have a proper penalty against them if they break a contract, addiction to drugs for instance, treatment could be provided according to some companies policies, but the cost must be born over time by the employee. Late for work than they should have to stay over and work on the next shift. Ever how it is spelled out in the contractual agreement. All these contractual agreements should be set by the government and the same for everyone in the job classifications. This would solve allot of problems for everyone involved.
Damn man.... You got obamacare.... What more do you want???? They (companies) ain't there to make you rich.... What don't you understand?
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#125 Feb 5, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
I'm sure it'll be union. Being in a RTW stage doesn't mean it can't be union.
Of course....just asking if you knew. But you don't. Some one does of course.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#126 Feb 5, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
I'm sure it'll be union. Being in a RTW stage doesn't mean it can't be union.
yeap and their starting to realize here in Indiana that employees have more of a voice now before Indiana was a non RTW state because now if employee isnt happy with union representation they can protest by refusing to pay union dues which the national unions dont like union employees having that right.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#127 Feb 5, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>yeap and their starting to realize here in Indiana that employees have more of a voice now before Indiana was a non RTW state because now if employee isnt happy with union representation they can protest by refusing to pay union dues which the national unions dont like union employees having that right.
EXACTLY.... But you notice deray doesn't want to even acknowledge that.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#128 Feb 5, 2013
Deray is gonna come with some dumbass talking points like pay being cut a couple of percent while assuming no one notices the payroll tax just ate up another 2% and if that ain't enough Caesars dumbass keystone pipeline policy is cutting into a whopping 4% of peoples income. Heard that report just this morning.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#129 Feb 5, 2013
Not just the Keystone Warren Buffet cronyism, but also the dumbass moratorium on drilling in the gulf is contributing to the eating of peoples paychecks at the pump. Let alone destroying thousands of jobs.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#130 Feb 5, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Not just the Keystone Warren Buffet cronyism, but also the dumbass moratorium on drilling in the gulf is contributing to the eating of peoples paychecks at the pump. Let alone destroying thousands of jobs.
right the drilling moratorium is designed to raise prices which in turn increases tax revenue for the State and Federal Governments which looking for more revenue.
Toledo Dad

AOL

#131 Feb 5, 2013

Unions were good 50 years ago but now they are just organized gangs of extortionists.

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#132 Feb 6, 2013
They have high paid reps to affect the laws both local, state and federal that is true. We need somehow to put a end to that kind of thing, make all laws affecting employer / employee relationships a federal one, nothing else should interfere, country wide everyone working under the same contract. Everyone receiving the just benefit from their labor.
As it is a quagmire now with all the different laws, one would have to be rich to defend themselves in the court system as an individual.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#133 Feb 6, 2013
GAWD you just refuse to get it.... What do you need a lawyer for????

If you got a job, you're going to your job to work..... Not sue the shit out of your employer.....

Do you NOT understand states are sovereign?

Your whole attitude is a cancer in Ohio and why Ohio will continue to suck the hind tit.

Since: Aug 12

Taylorsville, GA

#134 Feb 6, 2013
Deray.... It's like this..... I think you actually do understand why wages are what the market will bear.... It's because of supply and demand. Supply of workers are A plenty. This country is awash in available workers. Labor participation is at low point we haven't seen in 60 years.

Why would anyone offer to pay more than 'WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR?'

You simply are not in ANY POSITION AT ALL to dictate to an employer what you are to be paid or what you're worth. If you're worth more than what an employer is willing to pay, then you should imediately go find work elsewhere or start your own business. Economics 101.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#135 Feb 6, 2013
deray wrote:
They have high paid reps to affect the laws both local, state and federal that is true. We need somehow to put a end to that kind of thing, make all laws affecting employer / employee relationships a federal one, nothing else should interfere, country wide everyone working under the same contract. Everyone receiving the just benefit from their labor.
As it is a quagmire now with all the different laws, one would have to be rich to defend themselves in the court system as an individual.
More tripe from another loser who cannot compete in the workplace on their merits and needs the union to justify their excessive wages for their meager productivity.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#136 Feb 6, 2013
Toledo Dad wrote:
Unions were good 50 years ago but now they are just organized gangs of extortionists.
yeap and that is what the national unions have turned into which is why the national unions are against RTW States which union employees have one more right than in a non RTW state which at least in a RTW if you not happy with the union representation at least you can quit paying dues to demostrate dissatisfaction with the union representation.
Bob Lewis

AOL

#137 Feb 6, 2013
The States that are in the very worst financial condition have excessive numbers of public employees who pay little toward their own retirements. Politicians Colluding with the Public Empl unions in return for campaign support has increasing the numbers and costs of public workers crippling Illinois and California's financials. The "Bluer" the State politically, the worse the States finances. CA is most in debt, NY is second, IL is third in the race to leave the next generations drowning in the Public Empl Pension Debt tsunami
Social Worker

Dayton, OH

#138 Feb 6, 2013
deray wrote:
They have high paid reps to affect the laws both local, state and federal that is true. We need somehow to put a end to that kind of thing, make all laws affecting employer / employee relationships a federal one, nothing else should interfere, country wide everyone working under the same contract. Everyone receiving the just benefit from their labor.
As it is a quagmire now with all the different laws, one would have to be rich to defend themselves in the court system as an individual.
I have never met a union member who did not have an ego like a blimp. You are NOT a gift to your employer and the labor force; in fact, your cocky attitude makes you a hindrence to real productivity. The union bosses need you to stay angry with management so they tell you management cannot do without you and doesn't appreciate you. Were you to quit you would be replaced in an hour with another just like you.
None of you union guys are worth your paycheck and neither are the products you produce.

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#139 Feb 6, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Deray.... It's like this..... I think you actually do understand why wages are what the market will bear.... It's because of supply and demand. Supply of workers are A plenty. This country is awash in available workers. Labor participation is at low point we haven't seen in 60 years.
Why would anyone offer to pay more than 'WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR?'
You simply are not in ANY POSITION AT ALL to dictate to an employer what you are to be paid or what you're worth. If you're worth more than what an employer is willing to pay, then you should imediately go find work elsewhere or start your own business. Economics 101.
Mostly awash with illegal immigrant workers, at least that is what is going on in this state. The should pay at least above the poverty level it is called morals, people and businesses used to have a little morals, they don't have them anymore.

Why law suits you say, example, lady gets her arm crushed in machinery, they use every strategy they can to get rid of the burden or dead wood as they call it, they person is damaged for the rest of her life because of improper machine design. She is abandoned by the workman's comp, she is abandoned by the company she worked for years, 30 years if I remember right, she would be homeless and on the street living no telling where if it was not for her children. Real life story there and seen with my own eyes.

Next example older man working for a food packaging company, they for years say he is one of their best workers, has receive rewards of various kinds for the last five years or more. Problem that he has dealt with for last three years is he has a heart problem, he is able to do his work and do everything he needs to do on the job. One day one of the other employees decides not to come in for work and the new supervisor tells him you will have to cover for the missing person an operate your equipment and share in operating the other missing persons equipment.

Three different equipment groups spread out over a large area is involved. when the other operator gets ready to go to lunch the man tells them he can not operate the equipment over such a large area, up and down stairs and across catwalks. He tells them over and over that he can not physically able do it, they know he has heart problems.

The new supervisor tells him to go ahead an run the three machine groups that are usually run by three operators, to make a long story short he has a heart attack out on the floor that almost kills him, in the hospital over the week end, when he gets home they call him and fire him, they fight work mans comp, they fight unemployment, they fight him all the way down the line. The only thing he was able to get is some unemployment. He is still unemployed, still having serous problems with his heart now, he gets nothing for being injured by their greed, people were available for break relief.

Two real experiences, two real people, both injured by the company they worked for. Both should be able to bring a law suit but of course neither one has the money to do anything like that now. That is what working in a RTW state is like, you have no rights. All the right to work states follow rules that tend to lean toward the employer, the employee has no support and what little you do you need a lawyer to even understand because it is put in such vague language.

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#140 Feb 6, 2013
Another example in a right to work state. In one of the factory group I worked at they had a fork lift operator who was working in one of their dry goods warehouses. Well he showed up for work that day and four others did not, instead of getting him some help, even temporary help they said for him to load / unload trucks by himself.

He tried his best to do what they asked, but that morning he had a stroke from all the stress of trying to do five men jobs. He laid on the dock for over eight hours before anyone went to check on him. During that time he may have had a massive heart attack.

They hospitalized him and now he is at home for several years bed ridden, the company has fought him tooth and nail he has not got one dollar yet for any of his medical treatment or any of the other problems he is having now because of what they did to him.

They are trying to say they had nothing to do with his problems and such. He has had a law suit but they keep saying he can not prove what they did caused his stroke. He will have to take it on to the federal level to have a chance of any relief, the only reason he can do that is a outside organization is representing him legally. That is a RTW state....

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#141 Feb 6, 2013
Bob Lewis wrote:
The States that are in the very worst financial condition have excessive numbers of public employees who pay little toward their own retirements. Politicians Colluding with the Public Empl unions in return for campaign support has increasing the numbers and costs of public workers crippling Illinois and California's financials. The "Bluer" the State politically, the worse the States finances. CA is most in debt, NY is second, IL is third in the race to leave the next generations drowning in the Public Empl Pension Debt tsunami
Also adding to that are the massive illegal immigrants sucking the life out of these states government systems. Just about every state that has a large illegal immigrant population is in serous trouble financially. All you have to do is look at a map with the illegal immigrant population on it and these states stand out like the proverbial sore thumb.

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