Parents split on cheating response

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The graduation-canceling Centerburg school board braced itself for the worst when it met yesterday afternoon.
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A Teacher

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Jun 9, 2009
 

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When do we finally say enough? Stop the whining and investigate. Find those students who cheated and have them retake the tests that are questionable. As a teacher, I usually know which students are cheating and when. Weren't these teachers and administrators even a little suspicious? Why did it even make it all the way to the school board? Couldn't the teachers and principals have imposed punishment? What consequences for cheating were in place when the 2008-2009 school year began? The only thing that taking away graduation accomplished was to once again promote this country's reoccurring mantra, "It's ok if you don't get caught!" A warning to those who cheated...life has a way of catching up with you one way or another! And finally, if this is happening in a little town in Ohio, you can bet it's happening in bigger cities with larger schools! Wake up!!!
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Jun 9, 2009
 
I would like to see a follow-up to this story at the time of the CHS Class of 2009 five year reunion. A sort of "Where are they now?" featuring all 97 students. By then it will have been determined who did or did not do what. That should be included too. In 2014 many of these kids will be a year out of college and just entering the work force. I'd like to hear from them about job interviews and whether the subject of the scandal was raised. I'd like to hear, in their own words, the thoughts they have had about the scandal during the five years since graduation. Has it affected them in their college work and their search for employment since? Do they have regrets? If they were innocent how did they feel in 2009? How do they feel now?
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The school knew the cheating was going on since November. They did nothing to fix the security breach and they let the cheating continue. You cannot convict people who have been accused by the ones who admitted it and then gave names out. The ones who admit it will get less punishment if they give names. Does it mean the names are true? We don't know. Because we don't know they are innocent. Unless you get them to admit it, catch them in the act, get it on video tape or get an audit trail on who was on the file, you have no evidence. Some of these blogs are made by mindless individuals who have nothing better to do then to play scratch off lotto tickets and watch Jerry Springer.
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By the way the ones who admitted cheating still got their diplomas. They should have not gotten them and they should have had to retake the test. Why did the board cancel graduation and then give the diplomas to the cheaters?(The ones who admitted to it) Once again another example of a board who is living on an island. The others should have had their graduation as planned.
If a baseball player is guilty of taking steroids does it mean that ALL baseball players are guilty? Get a brain you simpletons.
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Jun 9, 2009
 
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The parents knew of the cheating and did nothing too. Teach the children to stand up and admit they did wrong. Some of the best and the hardest life lessons are doing the right thing and admitting your wrongdoings. hail hail to the school board for taking a stand. Too bad the 47 who didnt cheat had to pay the price for their peers.
CAT- you are clueless. We don't know if the parents knew or not. The school knew what was going on and were too stupid to tighten their security.
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I would like to see a follow-up to this story at the time of the CHS Class of 2009 five year reunion. A sort of "Where are they now?" featuring all 97 students. By then it will have been determined who did or did not do what. That should be included too. In 2014 many of these kids will be a year out of college and just entering the work force. I'd like to hear from them about job interviews and whether the subject of the scandal was raised. I'd like to hear, in their own words, the thoughts they have had about the scandal during the five years since graduation. Has it affected them in their college work and their search for employment since? Do they have regrets? If they were innocent how did they feel in 2009? How do they feel now?
These kids will probably make alot more than you will.
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Jun 9, 2009
 
A Teacher wrote:
When do we finally say enough? Stop the whining and investigate. Find those students who cheated and have them retake the tests that are questionable. As a teacher, I usually know which students are cheating and when. Weren't these teachers and administrators even a little suspicious? Why did it even make it all the way to the school board? Couldn't the teachers and principals have imposed punishment? What consequences for cheating were in place when the 2008-2009 school year began? The only thing that taking away graduation accomplished was to once again promote this country's reoccurring mantra, "It's ok if you don't get caught!" A warning to those who cheated...life has a way of catching up with you one way or another! And finally, if this is happening in a little town in Ohio, you can bet it's happening in bigger cities with larger schools! Wake up!!!
I agree with you teach. If you had thought there was cheating you would change the tests and change your passwords to the files.
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Punish the guilty along with the innocent. Those of you who believe that we are teaching these children an important lessons, preciously what is that lesson? Hypothetically suppose you have a twelve year work history as a loyal and well respected employee of your current employer. Unknown to you one of your co-workers has been caught stealing from the corporation. To "teach a lesson" upper management decides to fire the guilty party and you, to illustrate stealing is wrong. Will you then place all of your belongings into an empty box of copier paper and "hold you head high" as security escorts you off of the property? If you do not see the similarity then you are dumb. Have a goodnight.
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These kids will probably make alot more than you will.
I am retired. I certainly hope they make more than me. I've helped carry them for 13 years with my taxes. It's time they walked on their own.
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#30
Jun 9, 2009
 
A man more cynical than myself may suggest that the true moral of this story is not that cheating is wrong. Rather, that if you have the opportunity to cheat you should. Either you will get away with it, or if you are caught you will endure the punishment that everyone else gets anyway. The really ironic part is that the student who reported it got punished too, now that is just cold.
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Punish the guilty along with the innocent. Those of you who believe that we are teaching these children an important lessons, preciously what is that lesson? Hypothetically suppose you have a twelve year work history as a loyal and well respected employee of your current employer. Unknown to you one of your co-workers has been caught stealing from the corporation. To "teach a lesson" upper management decides to fire the guilty party and you, to illustrate stealing is wrong. Will you then place all of your belongings into an empty box of copier paper and "hold you head high" as security escorts you off of the property? If you do not see the similarity then you are dumb. Have a goodnight.
You make no sense. Get your crayons out and paint a pretty picture while you watch cartoons.
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Jun 9, 2009
 
I am retired. I certainly hope they make more than me. I've helped carry them for 13 years with my taxes. It's time they walked on their own.
Congratulations, you did something positive in your life
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#33
Jun 9, 2009
 
Graduation should not have been canceled. In this country, a person is innocent until s/he is proven guilty. Admittedly, something happened regarded cheating, but who was responsible has yet to be proven or even named. Shame on school administrators and the cheaters for flaunting the law and causing this problem in the first place. I feel terribly sorry for the honest kids who were deprived of their rights and honors.

You are an admirable person and have great common sense. God bless you!
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#34
Jun 9, 2009
 
I sincerely hope this destroys Centerburg as a community. I hope it pits neighbor against neighbor and family member against family member. I hope it ruins friendships, wrecks marraiges and bankrupts the city. All this seems a small price to pay for your commencement.

Another example of wasted youth.
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#35
Jun 9, 2009
 
The school board did the right thing. As a professor at the University of Cincinnati, I have dealt with six cases of academic misconduct this term alone. The students who cheated should not receive degrees, and their transgressions should be recorded on their transcripts so that they never step foot in my college classroom. Thank you, school board, for having the courage that is desperately needed to confront issues of academic dishonesty.
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Jun 9, 2009
 
The Centerburg Board of Education needs to be commended for their stand for honesty in a world that doesn't value integrity very much anymore. If my child had been in this class I would still support their decision. What a life lesson for them! Other people's wrongdoing does effect each of us....and if they were not involved they can still hold their heads high. Their only other option was to ignore the situation and that would have been wrong. The Board did not know until there was no other option and it was at least half the class! Be careful what you are teaching your children by throwing this fit. "The only thing needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" To the Board, I applaud your stand for honesty. You have more supporters than you know.

The board knew 3 months ago. Good lord, go watch your cartoons.
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Jun 9, 2009
 
I too applaud the boards decision to cancel graduation commencement. It is so sad that the students who did not participate in the cheating had to give up their graduation but they will get over it and move on with their lives. I simply cannot beleive the parents who are so short-sighted as to not see this is the only decision the board could have made. Otherwise it would appear the board was condoning the cheating. I think the parents who do not accept responsibility for their childs actions in the cheating are as guilty as the child. I learned right from wrong when I was a kid. My conscience tells me right from wrong. If I do something I know is wrong it eats at me inside. These parents have not raised their kids to accept the consequences of wrong decisions have only pointed them in the wrong direction in life. Todays society has way too many people who are in huge hurry to exclaim, "I didn't do it!" or "It's not my fault." Trust me people, if you knew anything about it and didn't say anything to the right people it is your fault. Get over it

You are clueless, let me tell you just how high up on he ignorance fence you set, you walk by two men fighting. Unless you get in the fight, you do not have to anything unless you participate. If you go the cops one or both of those men might come back to assault or hurt you. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
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#38
Jun 9, 2009
 
The American educational system is a joke; it's run like a corporation. It's all about how things look, not how they really are. There is no integrity--- teachers are pressured to pass athletes, students cheat, many teachers are not academically inclined, and there is a mentality that says a person should be passed merely for showing up and acting nice.
No wonder members of our government are compromised and in the pockets of special interests instead of serving the people. Maybe if we can restore integrity in the schools, it will spread to other areas of our culture.

I bow down to you for your exquisite response.
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#39
Jun 9, 2009
 
To all of you who supported the students- May God bless you. To the others, The school identified 4-10 students who ADMITTED CHEATING. All but one got their diplomas. Why did that happen? The 4-10 students gave names who when those people were questioned denied it. 4-10 students whose credibility is now tarnished is stating names of others to save themselves. That makes sense that all of you would take the word of 4-10 cheaters. Yeah right. On 6/4/09, the board met and did not take into consideration the community, the parents whose kids did NOT CHEAT. Why didn't the board ask how may people admitted cheating? The number is given. Those people do not get their diplomas and they retake the test. The rest, without proof, walks. The school knew about the cheating since last fall and were too clueless to beef up security on their computers until recently. Give me a break! Adults which are the Principal and the school board let the cheaters continue to run the school. The school had the tests on a SHARED DRIVE! Unbelievable. The select admitted cheaters and the school are solely responsible. DO NOT PUNISH THE INNOCENT.
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Jun 9, 2009
 
The school board did the right thing. As a professor at the University of Cincinnati, I have dealt with six cases of academic misconduct this term alone. The students who cheated should not receive degrees, and their transgressions should be recorded on their transcripts so that they never step foot in my college classroom. Thank you, school board, for having the courage that is desperately needed to confront issues of academic dishonesty.

I agree as long as it does not punish the innocent

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