Gay Migration or End of an Era?

Aug 20, 2013 Full story: EDGE 12

The announcement that Splash, the bar most closely associated with Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood, would close this month put a period not only on the area's transformation but also on the ideal gay male type in the popular imagination.

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#1 Aug 20, 2013
As we mainstream, gay ghetto establishments will fade.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#2 Aug 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
As we mainstream, gay ghetto establishments will fade.
Agree, and the article (of course, coming from the gay press, which may also fade as gay people mainstream) did not mention that but rather just suggested the previous pattern of the "floating gay ghetto."

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Aug 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
As we mainstream, gay ghetto establishments will fade.
This has already happened. People who go to gay venues probably still have land lines.

Gays will not form ghettos because they don't come from ghettos. Gay ghettos can be perpetuated only by inward migration. And gays comfortable in their current surroundings will have little reason to migrate.

On the other hand, I think the gay experience will still have some unique features. Nobody grows up expecting to be gay when they hit puberty. Parents and family expect kids to be straight, and they're right at least 95% of the time. Emergent feelings will still be difficult to vet, no matter how accepting society becomes. It will still be difficult for a sixteen year old boy to find a boyfriend when there is only one other gay boy in his class.

Does this mean that there will continue to be a gay culture that binds us? I think so. But I wouldn't try to guess how it will manifest itself among today's newborn gays and lesbians.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#4 Aug 21, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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This has already happened. People who go to gay venues probably still have land lines.
Gays will not form ghettos because they don't come from ghettos. Gay ghettos can be perpetuated only by inward migration. And gays comfortable in their current surroundings will have little reason to migrate.
On the other hand, I think the gay experience will still have some unique features. Nobody grows up expecting to be gay when they hit puberty. Parents and family expect kids to be straight, and they're right at least 95% of the time. Emergent feelings will still be difficult to vet, no matter how accepting society becomes. It will still be difficult for a sixteen year old boy to find a boyfriend when there is only one other gay boy in his class.
Does this mean that there will continue to be a gay culture that binds us? I think so. But I wouldn't try to guess how it will manifest itself among today's newborn gays and lesbians.
I have a land line and rarely use a cell phone. Call me old fashioned. Also, I have a home security system that needs it.

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#6 Aug 21, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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This has already happened. People who go to gay venues probably still have land lines.
Gays will not form ghettos because they don't come from ghettos. Gay ghettos can be perpetuated only by inward migration. And gays comfortable in their current surroundings will have little reason to migrate.
On the other hand, I think the gay experience will still have some unique features. Nobody grows up expecting to be gay when they hit puberty. Parents and family expect kids to be straight, and they're right at least 95% of the time. Emergent feelings will still be difficult to vet, no matter how accepting society becomes. It will still be difficult for a sixteen year old boy to find a boyfriend when there is only one other gay boy in his class.
Does this mean that there will continue to be a gay culture that binds us? I think so. But I wouldn't try to guess how it will manifest itself among today's newborn gays and lesbians.
Don't put down landlines. Unlike cell towers, they still work when the power goes out and are more difficult to tap.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#8 Aug 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Don't put down landlines. Unlike cell towers, they still work when the power goes out and are more difficult to tap.
Unfortunately, I switched to ip-based phone service a while ago. I just couldn't justify the cost of the traditional land-line anymore--especially since cell phones now work well enough to provide backup.

If the Verizon tower went dark, I'd probably get BETTER service roaming...

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#9 Aug 22, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Unfortunately, I switched to ip-based phone service a while ago. I just couldn't justify the cost of the traditional land-line anymore--especially since cell phones now work well enough to provide backup.
If the Verizon tower went dark, I'd probably get BETTER service roaming...
Cell networks saturate far faster than wired.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#10 Aug 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Cell networks saturate far faster than wired.
That's really not an issue around here. We just worry about getting a cellular signal. You need to be in one of the larger towns (more than 2500 people) or on a hill, like me.

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#11 Aug 22, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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That's really not an issue around here. We just worry about getting a cellular signal. You need to be in one of the larger towns (more than 2500 people) or on a hill, like me.
When the power goes out, where do those cell towers get their power?

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#12 Aug 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
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When the power goes out, where do those cell towers get their power?
I am not sure what standards cell towers meet for backup power. Don't you think they have to have batteries or generators?

A better question is whether I have charged my own phone recently.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#13 Aug 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
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When the power goes out, where do those cell towers get their power?
According to Huff Post: Most cell towers -- but not all -- have backup battery power, ranging from several hours to a few days, according to Chris Guttman-McCabe, vice president of regulatory affairs for the CTIA. After Hurricane Sandy, the carriers relied on generators to keep the cell sites running, but expressed concern about fuel shortages.

This article seems to imply that cell tower reliability is only an issue in major disasters, such as Hurricane Sandy. I suspect that lots of people found themselves with no land line service during that fiasco, as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/wire...

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#14 Aug 23, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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I am not sure what standards cell towers meet for backup power. Don't you think they have to have batteries or generators?
A better question is whether I have charged my own phone recently.
Generally, they do not have any. Further, they rely on the wired grid for routing.

There IS a telecom theory that would make every cellie a router/repeater, but the tech isn't there yet.

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