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Loza

New York, NY

#184 Sep 5, 2013
TonyT1961 wrote:
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Never did Holiday state the were going to run a 2 mile line to Neighborhood Rd., rip out the sidewalks, put public sewer lines in, never - so stop your BS already! If that were to happen, every business owner in MB would have advocated this.
Go FU moron - you know very little - and sound like an uneducated child.
and you sound like a prick who makes up history. YES, they were going to tie in Neighborhood rd. this was the plan where they were going to put in a shopping district on WFP along with the housing complex. Idiots like you f every thing up. Piss off and go ruin Shirley. Sow of hands... Who's sick of Tony sh!t and his mindless ranting?
Smith Point Resident

Manorville, NY

#185 Sep 6, 2013
Loza wrote:
<quoted text>and you sound like a prick who makes up history. YES, they were going to tie in Neighborhood rd. this was the plan where they were going to put in a shopping district on WFP along with the housing complex. Idiots like you f every thing up. Piss off and go ruin Shirley. Sow of hands... Who's sick of Tony sh!t and his mindless ranting?
I am sorry but you are very wrong. I know for a fact that there were several plans including one that did have 3 retail stores on William Floyd however none of those plans were approved. The sewage treatment plant was ONLY for use of the houses at the Links and there was a possibility that the VILLAGE could pay to expand it and run the pipes to Neighborhood Rd. and hook up. At no point was the Holiday Org. going to pay to run to install the pipes and hook up Neighborhood Rd. You need to know what you are talking about before you spout off and insult other people.
Loza

New York, NY

#186 Sep 6, 2013
Smith Point Resident wrote:
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I am sorry but you are very wrong. I know for a fact that there were several plans including one that did have 3 retail stores on William Floyd however none of those plans were approved. The sewage treatment plant was ONLY for use of the houses at the Links and there was a possibility that the VILLAGE could pay to expand it and run the pipes to Neighborhood Rd. and hook up. At no point was the Holiday Org. going to pay to run to install the pipes and hook up Neighborhood Rd. You need to know what you are talking about before you spout off and insult other people.
Well, the village wasn't even a thought when the first plans were drawn up for that land. Those were WAY before the golf course was even built, so sorry, YOU are wrong. They could not have had a "deal" with the village because the village didnt exist at that time. YOU need to think before YOU open your mouth.
Original plan was for housing, stores on WFP, and a sewer line to neighborhood rd only. NOT all of MB, but to neighborhood rd. and it's not that far or hard to run a sewer line from the back of that property to neighborhood rd. what ever. Every one complained, now we have housing going in anyways, no retail on WFP, and a inept village that can't even read to get funding for a sewer system. All right! Way to go guys, you made it great for everyone! So glad you all complained so much, it's WAY better now!
Brady

Stamford, CT

#187 Sep 6, 2013
I see my friend from New York is sharing his wealth of knowledge with you too Mr T.

If you build it, they will come is the expression, but only the shot version. The rest of the sentence is... They will come, take a look, laugh at the price and buy somewhere else.
Loza

New York, NY

#188 Sep 6, 2013
Brady wrote:
I see my friend from New York is sharing his wealth of knowledge with you too Mr T.
If you build it, they will come is the expression, but only the shot version. The rest of the sentence is... They will come, take a look, laugh at the price and buy somewhere else.
oh, you mean the group that built a GOLF COURSE knowing it would fail just so they could build their housing complex later? Yeah. You showed them.
Loza

New York, NY

#189 Sep 6, 2013
It's so weird how you guys will fight off a company that wants to build a housing complex on an empty chunk of land but is willing to destroy the waterfront of MB, which is the only land left on the south shore not over developed, all to make a buck. It's just weird.
I guess if someone else is making money, it's not ok. If YOU are the one benefiting, then it's alright.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#190 Sep 6, 2013
Brady wrote:
I see my friend from New York is sharing his wealth of knowledge with you too Mr T.
If you build it, they will come is the expression, but only the shot version. The rest of the sentence is... They will come, take a look, laugh at the price and buy somewhere else.
Exactly. I really think this poster with an obvious lack of knowledge sounds a lot like Delia - could be wrong, but it sure sounds like that bitter soul.

In any event, there was no way possible to make the initial plans work - I was at a secret meeting held at Dowling College - initial plans, and this was their own words, were condo's starting at $350,000.00 / property taxes of approximately $10,000.00 - not to mention POA charges (maintenance fees) for road clean up and access to their envisioned club house.

Not where those 55 and over would spend hard earned money to retire - it would have remained unsold (look at what happened to real estate since?) They would have applied for a variance, and receive it, making one of the largest rental complexes out here.

And who exactly would fill those vacancies were this to occur?

Not once did Holiday ever state they would run a sewage line to Neighborhood Rd.- and why would they? Mastic Beach had nothing to do with their attempted expansion!

We all know the truth - best to ignore the obviously ignorant.

Funny how the only ones pushing this vehemently were the SPBPOA, Dominick Licata, and Delia. That's why I think this pollster is her.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#191 Sep 6, 2013
Loza wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the village wasn't even a thought when the first plans were drawn up for that land. Those were WAY before the golf course was even built, so sorry, YOU are wrong. They could not have had a "deal" with the village because the village didnt exist at that time. YOU need to think before YOU open your mouth.
Original plan was for housing, stores on WFP, and a sewer line to neighborhood rd only. NOT all of MB, but to neighborhood rd. and it's not that far or hard to run a sewer line from the back of that property to neighborhood rd. what ever. Every one complained, now we have housing going in anyways, no retail on WFP, and a inept village that can't even read to get funding for a sewer system. All right! Way to go guys, you made it great for everyone! So glad you all complained so much, it's WAY better now!
The area the Links are on were never re-zoned as commercial land prior to the original owners proposal to build there over 13 years ago got shot down. This was a mistake by the TOB and local politicians at that time.

No sewer line was EVER proposed. The cost is not cheap either - in your little mind it is, but in reality, you have to destroy roads, re=route traffic while this is being done, and every store will nonetheless have to pay to hook into any sewer system being proposed to be installed.

This is costly and not cheap you imbecile!

No Environmental Impact studies were even performed in 2007, when this was proposed at a SPBPOA meeting hosted on behalf of the Holiday Corp.

The people of this area saw what was to come - and said no. Reviews were also shown illuminating where Holiday had built under the guise of 55 and over, only to have those properties also retain a zoning variance. The complex now houses many Section 8 clientele - these facts were shown to everyone, and are irrefutable, despite your warped claims.

Nice try - facts are hard to disprove.
Brady

Stamford, CT

#192 Sep 6, 2013
To my friend LOZA....I am not trying to "fight off" the company trying to build on the Links. They are simply pricing themselves out of the market.

I also agree with Tony that the project will likely attempt to be degraded to a rental complex bringing in many students to our overcrowded school system, not to mention huge traffic on the Floyd.

They built models yet no sales at all. The gates are locked at night and weekends. This looks like a ploy to get apartments in there (which is against the present zoning).
Loza

New York, NY

#193 Sep 6, 2013
Tony, you are so full of it. I'm done arguing with idiots like you. You helped to destroy the original plan, and you were VERY vocal about bringing a village to MB. Yes, there is proof of both.
Know about you just piss off and leave MB and any plans for it it in the future alone, you've done enough damage as it is. Moron
Brady

Stamford, CT

#194 Sep 6, 2013
Loza wrote:
Tony, you are so full of it. I'm done arguing with idiots like you. You helped to destroy the original plan, and you were VERY vocal about bringing a village to MB. Yes, there is proof of both.
Know about you just piss off and leave MB and any plans for it it in the future alone, you've done enough damage as it is. Moron
Tony was helpful to everyone on here. The original plan called for construction of up to 150+ single family homes which would have been a disaster.
By requiring the developer to negotiate, about 100 acres of land and $1,000,000 was donated to the Town which will be used for public recreation. As far as bringing about the village of MB, he didn't do much in my memory. But, that is not a slight since he doesn't even live there.
The tainted views of a few have irritated me and I want to rest so they can spew their venomous garbage. Let's see how long they can go without mentioning me.(and I don't include Evan Politico who just likes to annoy everybody).

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#195 Sep 6, 2013
Thank you Brady for realizing the situation that would have surely happened were that original project to have materialized.

I had performed extensive research on Holiday's owning's, the projects over the last 15 years they were directly involved with, the outcomes, and naturally, simply looking at local real estate prices, current school attendance (in 2008, roughly 11,000 students - almost 25% coming from transient housing), the long term effects to the school district, and traffic.

Imagine the effects of at minimum, over 450 additional vehicles on Wm. Floyd Parkway heading to work. This area still has only 3 evacuation routes in the event of a catastrophe. 55 and over still work - so classifying this initial endeavor as a "retirement community" was a fallacy, and those with their blinder off reviewed the facts objectively, coming to the right conclusion.

People are very short sighted, seeing only short term gains, without contemplating the larger picture. Limited views bring about catastrophic consequences.

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