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LAWRENCE: School board votes to shutter Number Six

There are 27 comments on the Newsday story from Mar 25, 2009, titled LAWRENCE: School board votes to shutter Number Six. In it, Newsday reports that:

After delaying a highly anticipated decision on whether to close a school, the Lawrence board of education last night voted to shutter Number Six Elementary.

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Geri Ellner

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Mar 25, 2009
It is not a suprise that the Number Six School would be closed. It has a mentoring program tied to the high school where high school students mentor the younger students. Many of the high school teams practice or play on the Number Six School fields and gym. It is newer and has more to offer such as a full-size gym. It is a great loss to the public school students and parents. That is why the Number Six School was closed.
What a surpise

Jackson, NJ

#2 Mar 25, 2009
The orthodox community is looking out for itself. That a Board should be composed of people who do not have kids of connection to the schools may be legal, but it is morally wrong.
JMO

Jackson, NJ

#3 Mar 25, 2009
I will bet a nickle that one of the yashiva's has its eyes on the building or fields. No other district but one controlled by these thugs would close their newest building.
Robert NY

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Mar 25, 2009
I cannot believe that the state will not step in and help the parents of the public schools. The board members appeared as though they were not even listening to the community at the board meeting. The parents need to take their children to albany and demand the state step in. Parents also need to contact other towns and let them know what's been going on and ask them to call albany and their elected officials and demand they step in and help these children that will now have 25 children in a class. They need to make alot of noise about these cruel and heartless board members.
LHS 94

Dover, NJ

#5 Mar 25, 2009
The sentiment around the district seems to be that in this economy, many of the private ("Orthodox") school parents will begin to send their children to the public schools. This of course, takes a huge financial burden off of them as they now pay tuition as well as their taxes. With a school board comprised of ALL members of that "community" (not "mostly" comprised as the article's author wrote) there is no reason for them not to do it. But, just wait until their children show up to class and realize that the melting pot that is part of the charm of the district, is now in full effect. The child will sit next to an Irish Catholic, a Muslim, an African American and a reformed Jew. At this point, I'm guessing they call a board meeting and create a public yeshiva school. What a mess. Albany won't step in because the majority of the district IS Orthodox and our local reps do not want to get on their bad side and lose re-election. Why is it that no one in public office has even attended a BOE meeting when they've know this has been on the table for close to a year, now?
BEFORE IT IS TO LATE

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Mar 25, 2009
It is a sad sad day for the Lawrence Public school district made up of a great deal of African Americans and Hispanics.You would think in 2009 dicrimination would no longer exist but it is alive and well here in this district. The innocent African American and Hispanic children are being treated so unfairly because of the color of their skin!! Don't seem suprised look at the situation 1) a few years ago number 1 school was closed( which they still have surplus from). 2) now they choose to close the largest of the three remaining schools (which is closest to the area where they reside) By the way number 5 school doesn't even have grass the children play on blacktop that looks like a parking lot. 3)It was revealed at the board meeting an attorney (Mr. D'Agistino)who is suppose to represent the Lawrence public schools was at the town meeting with the attorney representing the private school Schulamith School for all girls which is looking to reloctate from Brookyn to Inwood and build a state of the art five building campus. Whose side is he on?? What are the minority parents suppose to think? I advise our public officials to reach out to those whose are feeling left out in the cold!!! This community is a ticking time bomb with a short fuse. I urge you to help before you have a race war on your hands. The board tactics are phase out the minority so they can be the majority.... but wait isn't that what Hitler tried to do?? THIS DISTRICT NEEDS HELP BEFORE IT IS TO LATE!!!
Sophia Coleman

Highland, NY

#9 Mar 25, 2009
I was at this Board of Ed meeting and it is a disgrace to see how the Lawrence School District has fallen. I recieved my elementary education at No. 6 School and Graduated from Lawrence High School in 1986 when it was a badge of honor to say that you were a graduate of the Lawrence School District.

We've had a community come in that only cares for their own, as a child I was taught not to cut off my nose to spite my face, and that's exactly what this Board Of Ed and the Superintendent have done. When the public school system fails in your district, property values decrease as well so for all of the residents of district 15 who no longer have children in the schools who think this isn't their problem guess what it is. Once this Board has totally destroyed the public schools true and sell your home and see what the value becomes.

This Board as well as the Superintendent are wicked, wicked people to say the very least. There should be no them and us when it comes to children there should only be ours. The best interest of all of the children be they public or private school attendees should be the number one priority for all.

Not one the the current Board members has a child attending the Lawrence Public Schools so what does it matter to them what happens to children in the public schools. No one is taking into consideration the safety of these younger children being thrust into the Middle School in the fifth grade or the fact that this will be the third time that the children of No. 6 school have to endure such confusion. Remember when No. 1 School was closed that entire school was added to No. 6 School, and now this Board want to uproot these innocent children again and cram them into the remaining two schools.

Something else that's not being taken into consideration is the fact that parents of private school children are rapidly finding themselves unemployed and will no longer be able to afford the cost of private schools, what will happen the these children have to attend public schools that will already have 25 students per class, where do these children end up?

I'm not of a mind set to try and understand the reasons behind this decision because there is nothing to understand. This Orthodox Board cares about no one but their own and that's exactly who they are taking care of.

I would say shame on the Board and Superintendent, but in order do have shame you would first need to have a heart and conscience and they've clearly shown that they have neither.
LHS 68

West Babylon, NY

#10 Mar 26, 2009
What a sad state of affairs! I was a kindergarten student in 1955 when Number Six School first opened. Over the years, my parents, who remained in Woodmere and gladly paid their school taxes for another 20 years after their children had graduated from LHS, would tell us of the deterioration taking place in the district where my sister and I had received a top notch education. My parents--liberal Jews who could have afforded to send us to private school, but firmly believed in the value of a public school education--finally moved out in 1998, after 43 years as taxpayers, because the neighborhood in which they were once pioneer homeowners had alienated them and those of their generation who had built this once renowned school district.
Woodmere NY

Valley Stream, NY

#11 Apr 3, 2009
The racism of the above comments is what stands out here. Falling GDP, 8.5% unemployment, rampant bank failures, and major corporations shuttering their doors fill our newscasts each day, but evidently the readership of this newspaper is illiterate. It is just juicier to interpret cost cutting and downsizing within the context of a steadily shrinking Public School population, as a product of Jewish imperialism. I suppose, that when General Motors makes massive concessions of all kinds to the Federal Government to avoid or streamline a bankruptcy process in order to subsist, it will be interpreted as being due to President Obama's Black Rage, right? This thinking reflects the thinly veiled racism of the writers, rather than the rationale of a frugal and prudent school board. Perhaps the District will make Protocals of the Elders of Zion as required reading next term so as to 'educate' their young to think like their parents.
Sophia Coleman

Highland, NY

#12 Apr 5, 2009
The problem with Woodmere NY comment is all of the current economic problems sited have just recently come to light within the last 6-7 months, the issues of this school board go back a few years. As stated before not one member of the school board has a vested interest in the public school system because they have no children attending the public schools. This is a we matter and you don't issue with this board. Quality education be it public or private should afford those who attend the benefit of playing on a level playing field and that's not happening. For example the Lawrence Senior High School was just removed from the states list of schools that need improvement. Tell me how is cramping 25 students in a class with one teacher going to afford the same advantage to the children attending district 15 public schools. There have been studies conducted on this matter and this board was advised that none of the schools in this district should be closed. It's also been found that the middle school lunch room isn't large enough to handle the additional 200 students that would be in the school if the 5th graders were put into the middle school. So all of your grandstanding about the readership of the newspaper being illiterate you can shove that and I don't think I need to tell you where. Enrollment in the schools isn't shrinking it's actually at a stand still with a projected rise in enrollment due too all of the economic downfalls that you've stated in your comment. Alot of private school parents are being hit with the reality of no longer being able to pay thousands of dollars in tuition and are going to have to enroll their children in the districts public school system, once again with 25 children already in a class where are these children supposed to fit in? The NYC public school system is a prime example of how large class sizes fail and destroy the quality of education recieved. If you look around now the City is building new schools at a record pace to try and correct the situation. We've run out of land to build homes in our area if you close the schools and realize later that they're needed where are you going to put them. Number 1 school was closed and eventually torn down, that's a building gone forever. Why continue this downward spiral that is ultimately going to come back and haunt us, because by that time these board members will be long gone and so will the superintendent.
DAST

Brampton, Canada

#13 Apr 15, 2009
i have a dabte tomorrow and i have nothing top wright on this topic
Realist

AOL

#14 Apr 15, 2009
Sophia Coleman wrote:
The problem with Woodmere NY comment is all of the current economic problems sited have just recently come to light within the last 6-7 months, the issues of this school board go back a few years. As stated before not one member of the school board has a vested interest in the public school system because they have no children attending the public schools. This is a we matter and you don't issue with this board. Quality education be it public or private should afford those who attend the benefit of playing on a level playing field and that's not happening. For example the Lawrence Senior High School was just removed from the states list of schools that need improvement. Tell me how is cramping 25 students in a class with one teacher going to afford the same advantage to the children attending district 15 public schools. There have been studies conducted on this matter and this board was advised that none of the schools in this district should be closed. It's also been found that the middle school lunch room isn't large enough to handle the additional 200 students that would be in the school if the 5th graders were put into the middle school. So all of your grandstanding about the readership of the newspaper being illiterate you can shove that and I don't think I need to tell you where. Enrollment in the schools isn't shrinking it's actually at a stand still with a projected rise in enrollment due too all of the economic downfalls that you've stated in your comment. Alot of private school parents are being hit with the reality of no longer being able to pay thousands of dollars in tuition and are going to have to enroll their children in the districts public school system, once again with 25 children already in a class where are these children supposed to fit in? The NYC public school system is a prime example of how large class sizes fail and destroy the quality of education recieved. If you look around now the City is building new schools at a record pace to try and correct the situation. We've run out of land to build homes in our area if you close the schools and realize later that they're needed where are you going to put them. Number 1 school was closed and eventually torn down, that's a building gone forever. Why continue this downward spiral that is ultimately going to come back and haunt us, because by that time these board members will be long gone and so will the superintendent.
Sophia,, being an outsider to your district and hving sent my my kids to private school, I can honestly say, your post is right on target. This is one of the most intelligent and pointed posts I have ever read on this blog. Congrats on writing such a great response with out lowering yourself to insults an such
JJ woodmere ny

AOL

#15 Apr 22, 2009
Geri Ellner wrote:
It is not a suprise that the Number Six School would be closed. It has a mentoring program tied to the high school where high school students mentor the younger students. Many of the high school teams practice or play on the Number Six School fields and gym. It is newer and has more to offer such as a full-size gym. It is a great loss to the public school students and parents. That is why the Number Six School was closed.
Wow, this makes alot of sense. What cave are you living in? Denial, Denial, Denial.
JJ woodmere ny

AOL

#16 Apr 22, 2009
Unbelievable. Everyone knows what the "agenda" is of the school board and everyone that supports them.Their "master plan" is to be able to send their kids to the public schools (really a pseudo Yeshiva) after they get rid of our "public school kids" of course. They will serve kosher food in the lunchroom and hebrew will be the language on the curriculum. Then they will have their "cake" and eat it too. A 'private school' education with no private school tuition. They probably have the plan in motion right now. Its just going to take a while for it to come to fruition. Oh I'm sorry did I give any of these people an idea they didn't have before? I don't think so. Thats why they sit so smug at the school board meeting. They've been given their orders to just sit there and keep quiet because they know its just a matter of time before everyone just goes away. And they are very patient people as we all know because being patient pays off in the end, except only to them. I would be willing to get some politician involved to stop this law breaking activity. Make their lives miserable and don't go down without a fight. They have to learn they need to live and tolerate OTHER people in this world and we have rights as tax paying citizens that they can't close a school after a report very blatantly shows you shouldn't. Thats why they didn't give a reason for closing it, because there is none. Please everyone, vote for Barry RIngelheim and every other public school person we can get on the board--- we need to get every living breathing person to vote- thats the only way to beat these people. We need to take back the board !!!!!
Realist

AOL

#17 Apr 22, 2009
JJ woodmere ny wrote:
Unbelievable. Everyone knows what the "agenda" is of the school board and everyone that supports them.Their "master plan" is to be able to send their kids to the public schools (really a pseudo Yeshiva) after they get rid of our "public school kids" of course. They will serve kosher food in the lunchroom and hebrew will be the language on the curriculum. Then they will have their "cake" and eat it too. A 'private school' education with no private school tuition. They probably have the plan in motion right now. Its just going to take a while for it to come to fruition. Oh I'm sorry did I give any of these people an idea they didn't have before? I don't think so. Thats why they sit so smug at the school board meeting. They've been given their orders to just sit there and keep quiet because they know its just a matter of time before everyone just goes away. And they are very patient people as we all know because being patient pays off in the end, except only to them. I would be willing to get some politician involved to stop this law breaking activity. Make their lives miserable and don't go down without a fight. They have to learn they need to live and tolerate OTHER people in this world and we have rights as tax paying citizens that they can't close a school after a report very blatantly shows you shouldn't. Thats why they didn't give a reason for closing it, because there is none. Please everyone, vote for Barry RIngelheim and every other public school person we can get on the board--- we need to get every living breathing person to vote- thats the only way to beat these people. We need to take back the board !!!!!
I don't live in your district and will not make believe I uderstand your problems there. What I do know is JJ is right on target as I live in Monroe New York. If you are wondering what I am talking about here, just goggle "Kiryas Joel" and see what happened up here. I am not anti semitic or anything like that but JJ is right on target
JJ woodmere ny

AOL

#18 Apr 23, 2009
Whoever commented on my comment, Thank you. And 1 more thing. A woman stood up at the meeting and said everyone's property value was going down due to this public school problem and that the orthodox should be concerned since they live there and it was their homes she was talking about too. I just want to say that "they don't care". They will colonize an area to stay there , not leave. If they do choose to sell their homes, they're only going to be selling to orthodox who will give them "fair market value" for their home because those buyer's would not screw their own (the majority of them in any case). If the seller is non orthodox and the buyer is orthodox then you're in for a real fun time and they will refuse to buy your home at a "fair market value" . Bottom line is they don't control the real estate market in terms of values but they just wont buy from you until they get the price they want. Lesson- hope that a non-orthodox buys your home because they're the only ones willing to give you a fair price. Or don't sell . Those are your 2 options. Like I said - their patience pays off in the end to them, not you or I.
reality check woodmere ny

Hempstead, NY

#19 Apr 23, 2009
Woodmere NY wrote:
The racism of the above comments is what stands out here. Falling GDP, 8.5% unemployment, rampant bank failures, and major corporations shuttering their doors fill our newscasts each day, but evidently the readership of this newspaper is illiterate. It is just juicier to interpret cost cutting and downsizing within the context of a steadily shrinking Public School population, as a product of Jewish imperialism. I suppose, that when General Motors makes massive concessions of all kinds to the Federal Government to avoid or streamline a bankruptcy process in order to subsist, it will be interpreted as being due to President Obama's Black Rage, right? This thinking reflects the thinly veiled racism of the writers, rather than the rationale of a frugal and prudent school board. Perhaps the District will make Protocals of the Elders of Zion as required reading next term so as to 'educate' their young to think like their parents.
Its unfortunate that you choose to call other people racists in response to their comments. Its obvious the reason for your name calling is due to the fact that you cannot respond with an intelligent answer so you are using the race card as they say. The fact is this: a study was done by the school board to determine the feasibility of closing this school and moving the 5th graders to the middle school. The study was very clear that the middle school could not acommodate these kids, period. The board chose to ignore this because they have no regard for the schools or the kids that attend. So what is their function in life. They are not doing their job. They should be removed. And since they have been elected by people who also don't care about the schools or the kids, then we need to go higher up the ladder to remove all of them. If you want to keep diverting the attention away from the real issue go pound salt. I just hope that one day you will experience the heartache of feeling like you are being evicted from your own school and home. I don't wish this on anyone, not even you. You have no clue what this board is doing. But we all must answer to someone in the end, even them.
Sophia L Coleman

Highland, NY

#20 Apr 26, 2009
I just want to say thank you to all of you who have listened and who have taken the time to truly comprehend what the public school parents are up against. If any of you watched the new last Tuesday evening I was the parent on the news saying "How Dare You..." to the Board of Ed. We are dealing with a group of people who not only have no regard for the damage that they are causing to our children, they also have no respect for the public school parents of this district. In this last meeting as the parents and children lined up to say their peace one of the fathers was outraged at the comments made by Uri Kaufman one of the board members and I quote "it's kareoke time" this was said after he thought he had pushed his microphone far enough away from his mouth . Absolute Disrespect!!! Number Six School is the elementary school that I graduated from in 1979 and has since become the school that houses the most vulnerable of our public school children. The Special Education program that is housed in this building services our children with the most difficult Special Ed needs. Autism, ADHD, and children with behavioral challenges regardless of where they live in the district these children attend #6 if their needs can't be serviced in the other elementary schools. Anyone who knows anything about children with Autism especially know the setbacks that these children would face by being uprooted out of familiar and comfortable surroundings. The sadest part is that these board members sit on this board displaying their professional and educational titles of Dr. on their name plates. Not all have this so called distinguished title, but the majority of them do. I thought part of a Dr. oath is to do no harm! Have they forgotten that or does it just not matter because these aren't their children. What I find even more ironic about this situation is that their are orthodox children that are a part of the Special Education Program at #6 and they are there because the orthodox schools don't provide these services to their own children if the service is needed, instead they send them to public school to get the services. This board and the superintendent have made it perfectly clear to the public school population that we don't matter and guess what if you can't tow the line in their schools and keep up with their curriculum you matter to them as much as we do, and that's not at all!!!
Realist

AOL

#21 Apr 26, 2009
Sophia L Coleman wrote:
I just want to say thank you to all of you who have listened and who have taken the time to truly comprehend what the public school parents are up against. If any of you watched the new last Tuesday evening I was the parent on the news saying "How Dare You..." to the Board of Ed. We are dealing with a group of people who not only have no regard for the damage that they are causing to our children, they also have no respect for the public school parents of this district. In this last meeting as the parents and children lined up to say their peace one of the fathers was outraged at the comments made by Uri Kaufman one of the board members and I quote "it's kareoke time" this was said after he thought he had pushed his microphone far enough away from his mouth . Absolute Disrespect!!! Number Six School is the elementary school that I graduated from in 1979 and has since become the school that houses the most vulnerable of our public school children. The Special Education program that is housed in this building services our children with the most difficult Special Ed needs. Autism, ADHD, and children with behavioral challenges regardless of where they live in the district these children attend #6 if their needs can't be serviced in the other elementary schools. Anyone who knows anything about children with Autism especially know the setbacks that these children would face by being uprooted out of familiar and comfortable surroundings. The sadest part is that these board members sit on this board displaying their professional and educational titles of Dr. on their name plates. Not all have this so called distinguished title, but the majority of them do. I thought part of a Dr. oath is to do no harm! Have they forgotten that or does it just not matter because these aren't their children. What I find even more ironic about this situation is that their are orthodox children that are a part of the Special Education Program at #6 and they are there because the orthodox schools don't provide these services to their own children if the service is needed, instead they send them to public school to get the services. This board and the superintendent have made it perfectly clear to the public school population that we don't matter and guess what if you can't tow the line in their schools and keep up with their curriculum you matter to them as much as we do, and that's not at all!!!
Sophia, if you want to know where this is going, google Kiryas Joel. If you are not familiar with it, you will find it very interesting. It involves the Hasdics that really took over a town and now the state pays for all education needs
realist woodmere ny

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#22 Apr 27, 2009
Sophia is right on. I think the orthodox school board needs to spend more time concerning themselves with their private schools than with the public school since that is what effects THEIR lives. They should be mortified everytime their school raises their tuition. No, they just pay it willingly. They talk about low scores, teachers making too much $$ in LSD. I think they should be very concerned that they pay so much in tuition and they have uncertified teachers working at the yeshivas. I know this for a fact because I knew an uncertified teacher who was employed there. You don't hear about that only about how much $$ they're saving everyone by "warehousing" our kids in whatever school they can throw them in.

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