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Can ANYONE show me proof, absolute PROOF, that God does not exist?

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#2 Nov 16, 2010
John Q in Oak Creek wrote:
I've been on the thread asking for proof that there IS a God. Well I don't need proof. I see it everyday. I call it faith. So I'd like to turn the tables on those so called scholars and ask them to show me proof that he DOESN'T EXIST....So come one, prove it.
This is from the book God: The Failed Hypothesis---
1.Hypothesize a God who plays an important role in the universe.
2.Assume that God has specific attributes that should provide objective evidence for his existence.
3.Look for such evidence with an open mind.
4.If such evidence is found, conclude that God may exist.
5.If such objective evidence is not found, conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that a God with these properties does not exist.

As of yet, there is no evidence that god exists, therefore it's rational to conclude that god does not exist.
Just as you say you don't need proof that god exists because of faith (which is not scientific), I can say that god does not exist because there is no proof or evidence.
PR and Proud

Milwaukee, WI

#3 Nov 16, 2010
wedjat wrote:
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This is from the book God: The Failed Hypothesis---
1.Hypothesize a God who plays an important role in the universe.
2.Assume that God has specific attributes that should provide objective evidence for his existence.
3.Look for such evidence with an open mind.
4.If such evidence is found, conclude that God may exist.
5.If such objective evidence is not found, conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that a God with these properties does not exist.
As of yet, there is no evidence that god exists, therefore it's rational to conclude that god does not exist.
Just as you say you don't need proof that god exists because of faith (which is not scientific), I can say that god does not exist because there is no proof or evidence.
There is an equal void of scientific proof in the nonexistence of God.

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#4 Nov 16, 2010
PR and Proud wrote:
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There is an equal void of scientific proof in the nonexistence of God.
Sure, however as there is no proof, I'm going w/that. I don't rely on simply "the belief" in god.
PR and Proud

Milwaukee, WI

#8 Nov 17, 2010
wedjat wrote:
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Sure, however as there is no proof, I'm going w/that. I don't rely on simply "the belief" in god.
No one asked what you do or do not rely upon. The question was can you prove the nonexistence of God. The fact you agreed with my post actually argues against your initial post. That is all I intended to establish.

In the end, the belief in a central diety has no negative impact on society. Now, before you go into tele-thieves, terrorists and child molestors... those people are sociopaths who use religion to excuse their barbaric tendencies.

Thanks for the friendly exchange.
Scoobs

New Holstein, WI

#9 Nov 17, 2010
John Q in Oak Creek wrote:
Not one? Nobody can prove he doesn't exist? Hmmmm....
Why are you asking people? How about reading His book, doing a little studying and then get back to us.
No, I didn't think you were REALLY interested..
Daisy1

Milwaukee, WI

#10 Nov 17, 2010
You desperately wanting to know if he exists is proof enough that he does exist. He's calling you now. Talk to Him and tell me I'm not wrong.

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#13 Nov 18, 2010
John Q in Oak Creek wrote:
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So...Out of all that, you can't prove he doesn't exist? Do I got that right?
I thought I did that. Hmmmm.....\
There is no scientific evidence to the contrary.
Can you tell us that there is proof of a god?
Because, there is no scientific evidence.

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#16 Nov 22, 2010
John Q in Oak Creek wrote:
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Doesn't work like that. Read the title. You're supposed to show me 100% proof POSITIVE that there is no God. You can't though, can you? EPIC FAIL.
What's the epic fail? You haven't provided proof that god exists. I haven't provided proof that he doesn't exist. My proof that he doesn't exist is....there has not been proof yet, has there?
Can you provide proof that god does exist?

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#18 Nov 22, 2010
John Q in Oak Creek wrote:
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Sorry loser....READ the title of the post. It's up to YOU to prove without a DOUBT that he doesn't exist. So PROVE away...Oh wait that's RIGHT, you can't.
Sigh.....yeah, it's official. You're simply a miserable jackass who can't help but spout off insults like a child instead of using adult-like conversation. You're a waste of time.
Ninmast

Plattsburg, MO

#20 Dec 28, 2010
Wedjat, I believe you're missing the point, though John Q really could use an attitude adjustment, as he's drastically misrepresenting Christians and, really, he's just embarrassing himself -and- us.

I believe the point he was trying to make was that many have, thinking themselves clever, insisted of Christians that they offer solid, unquestionable proof that God exists, as if they can somehow justify putting those Christians down as fools because it's something they can't, with their present understanding, physically measure. John Q, in his misguided way, was trying to show those people that the reverse is equally true: Just as there is no absolute evidence that God exists, neither is their absolute evidence that God does not exist. Thus, the only logical, scientific conclusion that can be drawn is that the experiment is inconclusive.

When a hypothesis is neither proven nor disproven, the scientific conclusion is not that it is right by virtue of it not being disproven (i.e. There is no God because it can't be proven that there is a God), but rather that the method devised to test the hypothesis is insufficient. The scientist returns to the drawing board to develop a new test. If it turns out that there is no test within our current comprehension of the sciences to properly evaluate the hypothesis, we can only put it off as undecided until such time as the capacity to do so develops. To do otherwise is to close your mind off to possibilities, the act of which is the suicide of creative thinking and the sciences, themselves.
Hugh Girrod

United States

#22 Dec 29, 2010
We do not have enough hard evidence either way to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
youdooryoudont

United States

#23 Dec 30, 2010
If you belive you do ..if you dont.. what other proof do you need

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#24 Jan 5, 2011
Me Myself and I wrote:
Odd...absolutely NO PROOF has been shown that God doesn't exist. Amazing.
Amazing also that no one has been able to prove that god does exist.

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#25 Jan 5, 2011
Ninmast wrote:
Wedjat, I believe you're missing the point, though John Q really could use an attitude adjustment, as he's drastically misrepresenting Christians and, really, he's just embarrassing himself -and- us.
I believe the point he was trying to make was that many have, thinking themselves clever, insisted of Christians that they offer solid, unquestionable proof that God exists, as if they can somehow justify putting those Christians down as fools because it's something they can't, with their present understanding, physically measure. John Q, in his misguided way, was trying to show those people that the reverse is equally true: Just as there is no absolute evidence that God exists, neither is their absolute evidence that God does not exist. Thus, the only logical, scientific conclusion that can be drawn is that the experiment is inconclusive.
When a hypothesis is neither proven nor disproven, the scientific conclusion is not that it is right by virtue of it not being disproven (i.e. There is no God because it can't be proven that there is a God), but rather that the method devised to test the hypothesis is insufficient. The scientist returns to the drawing board to develop a new test. If it turns out that there is no test within our current comprehension of the sciences to properly evaluate the hypothesis, we can only put it off as undecided until such time as the capacity to do so develops. To do otherwise is to close your mind off to possibilities, the act of which is the suicide of creative thinking and the sciences, themselves.
Yes, I understand how the Scientific Method works. What I'm saying is that you cannot prove that god exists, nor can you prove that god does not exist so for me personally, since there is no proof, I think that god does not exist.
Same goes for aliens. Same goes for santa, same goes for the concept of karma. It's all along the same lines. To me, believing in god is on par w/believing that santa exists.
Hugh Girrod

United States

#26 Jan 5, 2011
Funny, you never see non-believers going around trying to convince people that God doesn't exist.

Believers though, talk til they're blue in the face.
Ashton

New Bern, NC

#27 Mar 15, 2011
Try praying how often does it work
Look at all historical gods
Take a look at slavery
Notice how many gods you reject
Take a look at the divorce rate in christians
FMZ

Amman, Jordan

#29 Aug 28, 2011
wedjat wrote:
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Sure, however as there is no proof, I'm going w/that. I don't rely on simply "the belief" in god.
Right, never have blind faith. But also, always reason right. If there were no god, how did the world come into existence?! Doesn't every effect have a cause? The effect here is the creation of the universe, how was that caused?? You might say big bang. I'd say would you ever see a bomb blow up on its own? And did you ever see a bomb without a manufacturer? This leaves us with the fact that there was "someone" (call it whatever you like, you'll still get the same result :D) that designed the whole thing.
Milw Taxpayer

Waukesha, WI

#30 Aug 30, 2011
Yawn......Ok, people back to the real world now.

There are no winners in this discussion...only losers!

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#31 Aug 30, 2011
You can't prove he exists. You can't prove he doesn't exist.

Who cares. Believe whatever you want to believe.
Zeus

Milwaukee, WI

#32 Aug 31, 2011
Milw Taxpayer wrote:
Yawn......Ok, people back to the real world now.
There are no winners in this discussion...only losers!
Yes- Listen to milw taxpayer everyone, because he is the ONLY one with the CORRECT opinion. Every time!

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