Is Wisconsin a place that encourages/protects hate groups?

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Since: Sep 12

Waterman, IL

#1 Sep 15, 2012
A hate group soldier (Wade Michael Page) was recruited for a suicide mission to kill people in Wisconsin. Wisconsin was the home of a Nazi youth training in Grafton WI. A WWII Nazi war criminal (Josias Kumpf) was deported from WI in 2009. Is Wisconsin a place that encourages/protects hate groups?
Josias Kumpf Jr

Cedarburg, WI

#2 Sep 16, 2012
It's true. The Christian Fellowship Knights Party is a montly event here in SE WI Deutschland.

Since: Sep 12

Waterman, IL

#3 Sep 16, 2012
Some people prefer to live with their eyes shut. There are 8 known hate groups operating in Wisconsin.

1) American Third Position (White Nationalist)
2) Aryan Nations 88 (Neo-Nazi)(Green Lake)
3) Creativity Movement (Neo-Nazi)
4) Crusaders for Yahweh (Christian Identity)(Eau Claire)
5) Nation of Islam (Black Separatist)
6) National Socialist Movement (Neo-Nazi)(Milwaukee)
7) New Order (Neo-Nazi)(Milwaukee)
8) Supreme White Alliance (Racist Skinhead)

But most of the signs are not extreme. They are small signs of discrimination.

1) Racist fliers were left on cars in a high school parking lot.(Fond du Lac, WI)(05/10/2010)
2) Self-defined Nazi Michael J. Verhaagh was sentenced to jail for a hate-crime attack on a black man at a bar.(Appleton, WI)(03/11/2010)
3) White-supremacist leaflets were distributed at St. Norbert College by the White Ethnic Preservation Coalition.(De Pere, WI)(03/02/2010)
4) Large black swastikas were painted on a synagogue and a Methodist church.(Oshkosh, WI)(12/24/2009)
5) A self-professed white supremacist will serve time for the unprovoked attack on a black man. He admitted he did not like people of other races, and displayed tattoos of a swastika and a likeness of Adolf Hitler.(Appleton, WI)(04/27/2009)
6) A red swastika was painted on a car.(Waukesha, WI)(04/09/2009)
7) Two white teens, Tyler Bronkhorst and Kyle Daggett, were charged with multiple hate crimes in connection with several incidents where they allegedly harassed black residents.(Madison, WI)(01/13/2009)
8) Racist cards advertising the Aryan Wear website were left on several car windows of people participating in a diversity event celebrating Latino heritage in the city.(Fond du Lac, WI)(01/08/2009)
9) Swastikas and Nazi symbols were spray- painted on a museum.(Baraboo, WI)(10/06/2008)
10) The letters 'KKK' were painted on an Asian family's truck and the vehicle's interior was set afire.(Windsor, WI)(04/20/2008)

etc...

Deutschland hat die NSDAP lawed. Wisconsin sollten das gleiche tun.

Since: Sep 12

Waterman, IL

#4 Sep 17, 2012
The New Order (Neo-Nazi group) appears to have strong ties to Wisconsin.

Here is an excerpt from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_ (Neo-Nazi_group)

"By the mid-1980s membership defections forced Koehl to relocate the group's headquarters. He dispersed the group's various operations to scattered locations in Wisconsin and Michigan.

It maintains a web page and a Milwaukee, Wisconsin post office box.

A secluded 88-acre (360,000 m2) rural property called Nordland was purchased in New Berlin, Wisconsin."

New Berlin is in SE WI, right?
Noone

Waterman, IL

#5 Sep 17, 2012
A Nov. 18, 2001 article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel titled “Terrorism gives hate groups an opportunity to recruit” mentioned New Berlin. It informed us that the Southern Poverty Law Center and The Center for New Community tracks hate groups. The latter, which is a faith-based, non-profit agency that tracks Midwestern hate groups, listed 25 groups in Wisconsin. According to the article, The World Church of the Creator branches in Milwaukee, New Berlin and Cudahy were listed. Evidently, The World Church of the Creator branch in New Berlin was well-known to police. "We've been aware of them for years," said police Lt. David Dunn.

A google search of World Church of the Creator turned up interesting information, including:

The Creativity Movement (formerly known as the World Church Of The Creator), is a white supremacist organization that advocates the religion, Creativity. The supremacism of the group has been described by founder Ben Klassen with reference to the logo:

The ‘W’ stands for the white race which we think is nature’s finest. The crown designates that we are the elite, the aristocrats, of nature’s realm. The halo above the crown means that we hold our racial values sacred and we believe that our white genes are our greatest treasure and we should safeguard our gene pool zealously.

The term Creativity was also a descriptive phrase used by Klassen to indicate all adherents of the religion. The use of the term creator does not refer to a deity, but rather to White Europeans or (white people) whom they believe are the sole creators of civilization and technology.[2]

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Creativity movement's members and followers have been charged and convicted in over 17 acts of racial violence.

The following can also be found on Wikepedia or elsewhere on the Internet:

George Lincoln Rockwell (March 9, 1918 – August 25, 1967) was the founder of the American Nazi Party. Rockwell was a major figure in the neo-Nazi movement in the United States. Rockwell led the American Nazi Party in assisting the Ku Klux Klan and similar groups during the Civil Rights Movement, in attempts to counter the Freedom Riders and the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. But he soon came to believe the Klan was stuck in the past and ineffective for helping him wage a modern race struggle. Rockwell started a call for "White Power." White Power later became the name of the party's newspaper and the title of a book authored by Rockwell. Rockwell's principal message was racial separation.

On January 1, 1967, Rockwell officially changed the name of the American Nazi Party to the National Socialist White People's Party . On August 25, 1967, Rockwell was killed by gunshots in Virginia. Today Rockwell's ashes reside in the memorial room of New Order headquarters in New Berlin, Wisconsin.

Led by Matt Koehl, the New Order began as a political movement founded by George Lincoln Rockwell in Arlington, Virginia in 1958. Koehl ceased printing the organization's White Power newspaper, sold its Arlington, Virginia real estate holdings, and dispersed the group's various operations to scattered locations in Wisconsin and Michigan. A secluded 88 acre rural property called "Nordland" was purchased in New Berlin, Wisconsin to serve as living quarters and to host annual meetings and ceremonial events.

Today the New Order operates quietly far from the public spotlight. The New Order web site emphasizes that they are not a neo-Nazi political party, but rather "a spiritual body representing a revolutionary, new faith — an alternative religion for those who are no longer able to accept Judeo-Christian dogma." The group claims to hold the memory of Hitler in trust until such time when whites are ready to accept National Socialism as the only possible way to ensure Aryan racial and spiritual survival.
wisconsin-z

Waterman, IL

#6 Sep 18, 2012
So this is the time line...

July 2012, Wade Michael Page moved to Milwaukee, Wis., and lived in an

apartment building in Cudahy.

A month later, August 5, 2012, he shot six unarmed people to death.

Cudahy is 15 minutes from Norland which is the Nazi headquarters.

Page commited suicide preventing capture and the release of information

about his consperitors.

It seems very likely that he had conspirators and he picked Wisconsin for a reason.
Dick Dabruser

Thiensville, WI

#7 Sep 19, 2012
You guys are all from Princeton, IL. What gives? All know each other......Or?
Fastidious Jon

Waterman, IL

#8 Sep 21, 2012
Dick Dabruser wrote:
You guys are all from Princeton, IL. What gives? All know each other......Or?
Wow... you are the fastidious one Dabruser! May there is more to it, maybe me and my alter egos just made all of that stuff up. Maybe there is no Norland. Lets face it, you are either a nazi coward, who is scared to talk in public, or your idiot, who is doesn't know what is going on in your own state. Which is it?
PR and Proud

Chicago, IL

#9 Sep 24, 2012
It's not at all shocking. Wisconsin is in the top 3 most German states by percentage, and the top 6 German states by actual numbers. Unfortunately, you always get the bad with the good. This is in no way meant to excuse the level of bigotry of any group. It's only meant to suggest I am not surprised in the slightest.
Nisnocsiw Kcuf

Waterman, IL

#10 Sep 24, 2012
PR and Proud wrote:
It's not at all shocking. Wisconsin is in the top 3 most German states by percentage, and the top 6 German states by actual numbers. Unfortunately, you always get the bad with the good. This is in no way meant to excuse the level of bigotry of any group. It's only meant to suggest I am not surprised in the slightest.
According to the 2010, 42 percent of Wisconsin people declared themselves of German decent. If you excluded the Milwaukee area, I think it would be the top state in all categories, but I have only glanced at the numbers.

Anyway. I want to reiterate, a man walked in to a place of worship and killed 6 unarmed people. This is the product of bigotry, but it is more. This is mass murder. Furthermore, the more you learn about it, the more you suspect he did not work alone.

If that is true, think of how empowered his conspirators must feel. They can pull off a mass killing and get away totally free. Will they feel more empowered to commit more minor acts of hate? acts that don't make national news. God forbid, will they attempt another large attack? probably not so close to their home base - Nordland.

Sizan Cuf

Granville, IL

#13 Oct 13, 2012
Here is a history channel documentary on the history of the nazi party in the America.

http://youtu.be/c8j8o4kxx30
Sizan Cuf

Granville, IL

#14 Oct 13, 2012
Here is part of a post from http://m.jsonline.com/128655203.htm...

For your information, the so called "New Order" compound is on private property, is not advertised, in unmarked by any signs, and very few people even know where it is located. It is not even a "compound" it is a house set back in the woods. Period. It is not "in the city" it is in rural land to the west. Nothing marks the property, no signs, no propaganda. No leaflets can be found directing neo-Nazis to visit the property.

Your hysterical complaint that there was "no public outcry over that" is silly considering the fact that the New Order moved to New Berlin from Arlington, Virginia way back in the mid-1980s and no public announcement was made about the move because the property is not even in Mr. Koehl's or the New Order's name. The organization's mailing address is Milwaukee, not New Berlin, so your added hysterics about New Berlin's reputation being sullied by the existence of a "Nazi compound" is mere obfuscation.

Mr. Koehl and company do not bother anyone in New Berlin because New Order ceased all political activism decades ago. Indeed, the last time they even had a public meeting was in Arlington County in October 1983!

Does any know the name of Matt Kohl's Company?
Truth

Milwaukee, WI

#15 Oct 14, 2012
White people protect hate Groups - they protect their-selves!!!
Toidi Na Si 91V3UP

Paw Paw, IL

#17 Oct 15, 2012
91V3UP wrote:
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Being German has absolutely nothing to do with it! NOTHING! Just because an unfortunate event (nazis) doesn't mean you associate Germans with hate groups, that's ignorance, Puerto Rico did and still does have an unfortunate association with cocaine smuggling and communism but no one associates them, so don't be ignorant!
Being German doesn't mean you are a nazi... or a white supremacist, and it is dangerous to make that association. However there is a connection.

In the 90's, when the neo-nazi group The Order was looking for bases, they targeted communities with large German populations. The New Order is now centered in Wisconsin which has a large German population. I don't know why they target German populations, but they did and do.

In 2009, a Nazi WWII war criminal was deported from Wisconsin. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/March/09-c... . He left behind his full grown children. I don't know what values he taught his children, but he participated in the killing of women and children, and was a member of the Nazi party, I don't think he believed everyone is created equal or in the American way of life. It is likely that a generation of German children were raised by similar parents.(maybe not actual Nazi's, but people more like you. Who deny there is ANY CONNECTION BETWEEN THE GERMAN PEOPLE AND NAZIs! NONE! NO CONNECTION AT ALL! YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO FIND A Jamaican NAZI than a GERMAN NAZI! ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THERE ARE Jamaican NAZIs IS AN IDIOT!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#18 Oct 16, 2012
Toidi Na Si 91V3UP wrote:
<quoted text>Being German doesn't mean you are a nazi... or a white supremacist, and it is dangerous to make that association. However there is a connection.

In the 90's, when the neo-nazi group The Order was looking for bases, they targeted communities with large German populations. The New Order is now centered in Wisconsin which has a large German population. I don't know why they target German populations, but they did and do.

In 2009, a Nazi WWII war criminal was deported from Wisconsin. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/March/09-c... . He left behind his full grown children. I don't know what values he taught his children, but he participated in the killing of women and children, and was a member of the Nazi party, I don't think he believed everyone is created equal or in the American way of life. It is likely that a generation of German children were raised by similar parents.(maybe not actual Nazi's, but people more like you. Who deny there is ANY CONNECTION BETWEEN THE GERMAN PEOPLE AND NAZIs! NONE! NO CONNECTION AT ALL! YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO FIND A Jamaican NAZI than a GERMAN NAZI! ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THERE ARE Jamaican NAZIs IS AN IDIOT!
Hey I knew this one rasta with hella nazi tats! And Peter tosh known hate group activist! I know because I read it on the internets and no one can lie on the internets!
essen Esel Wurst! Lol
Toidi Na Si 91V3UP

Paw Paw, IL

#19 Oct 16, 2012
91V3UP wrote:
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Hey I knew this one rasta with hella nazi tats! And Peter tosh known hate group activist! I know because I read it on the internets and no one can lie on the internets!
essen Esel Wurst! Lol
What? Are you saying there is no correlation between neo-nazi's and german americans?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#20 Oct 16, 2012
Toidi Na Si 91V3UP wrote:
<quoted text>What? Are you saying there is no correlation between neo-nazi's and german americans?
Non! They are all of Jamaican heritage, ALL OF THEM!
NOONE

Mendota, IL

#21 Dec 23, 2012
Some interesting quotes from Misty Cook (girl friend of Wisconsin Sikh killer) via Hammerskin board:

"Obama Christmas ornaments are going on sale Friday. It's finally gonna be legal to hang a n_gger from a tree :D'"

"The reason "groups" have beef with each other is because of ego problems, plain and simple. Let me break it down to you like this, Jason; the purpose of a crew is not to be some political arm or "activists" like some claim to be, and anyone that believes that is fooling themselves. Rather, the purpose is to establish a social network so you can hang out w/ like-minded people, make sure your kids have other white kids to hang out with, take care of each other. That doesn't mean that there aren't activists in a given group, but that doesn't make EVERYONE in the group an activist. I hope you can see the relevance of my point. When one group tries to take a holier-than-thou, we're-super-activist attitude (when they're only imitating other groups' methods anyway) and tries to implement internet aggression against other groups the way VF has, then cries about it when people push back, the way VF has, yeah, people lose a little respect for them. I know them more than you ever will, and take it from me, they WANT to be the biggest, baddest gang, but they're not."
"No, Jason, nobody is going to "get over" anything. Unlike you, some of us have a lot of history involved in this. In a perfect world, pro- white people would all get along, sure, but it's just not that simple. I'm not asking you to take a side, and nobody is going to hold you personally responsible for VF's actions or anything like that, but there are real reasons behind the divide, so please do try to be respectful of that and not trivialize the issue with "Why can't we all get along?" It's not gonna happen, so why beat a dead horse? Sorry','No, I left VF back in January along w/ most of the central region. They started prospecting anybody & everybody after that. They lost over 1/3 of their membership between 08-09, maybe closer to 1/2... and good solid people too.(Well some of em, Johnny from St Louis was giving info to the feds. Info of what, I dunno. He was a dumbass. Probably got into trouble over something stupid and was looking to scapegoat somebody else to save his own hiney. That's how this type of thing usually goes. If you end up knowing a couple solid people in the movement, you're doing good. Hell, even 80% of the guys in Federal Prisons turned over on somebody."
Jaque

UK

#22 Dec 24, 2012
Sure is funny people talking about these hate groups and yet I never hear of them killing people day in day out day after day everyday of the year. No sir... never hear of it. Well what do I hear of?
Crips Bloods ViceLords Disciples black people killing everyday 365 a year Year after year feeding drugs to the children in the community. Yep I hear that stuff (real murders) all the time. Then you will get a scrap from somebody somewhere that imagines a hate group calling someone a name or something and that is supposed to be of more concern than the murderous monsters that black mothers raise all over the country. Eat that.
Jenny

Cedarburg, WI

#23 Dec 24, 2012
Jaque wrote:
Sure is funny people talking about these hate groups and yet I never hear of them killing people day in day out day after day everyday of the year. No sir... never hear of it. Well what do I hear of?
Crips Bloods ViceLords Disciples black people killing everyday 365 a year Year after year feeding drugs to the children in the community. Yep I hear that stuff (real murders) all the time. Then you will get a scrap from somebody somewhere that imagines a hate group calling someone a name or something and that is supposed to be of more concern than the murderous monsters that black mothers raise all over the country. Eat that.
WTF are you trying to say? Would someone please translate!

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