New Jail

[Why]

Chautauqua County needs a new jail. But I really don't think we need all that the sheriff is asking for. Why can't the sheriff's office stay in the court house and we only build a jail half the size that he is recommending. I don't do much shopping in this county so the sales tax won't affect me. I don't think that there is going to be as much money brought in with the one cent increase as the sheriff is telling us. I think in the end the property owners will be paying for it. My vote on Dec 1 is no.

[oooh]

Why do you keep saying that it is the sheriff doing all this? There is a commitee. They are all doing the investigating on what is the most feasable. The office needs to be in the same building as the jail. That doesnt even make sense not to. We have to have one big enough to house the prisoners now and in the future. You dont want to have to do this again, do you? It doesnt make sense not to vote yes. Even if you dont shop in the area you would have to pay higher property taxes. Would you rather do that?

[voteno]

oooh wrote:

Why do you keep saying that it is the sheriff doing all this? There is a commitee. They are all doing the investigating on what is the most feasable. The office needs to be in the same building as the jail. That doesnt even make sense not to. We have to have one big enough to house the prisoners now and in the future. You dont want to have to do this again, do you? It doesnt make sense not to vote yes. Even if you dont shop in the area you would have to pay higher property taxes. Would you rather do that?

Oh please, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the connection between the people serving on the committee and the sheriff. There should never be a county commissioner on such a committee. Of course unless he plans to not be a commissioner another term along with the sheriff. It makes perfect sense to NOT vote yes for the new jail as it is proposed. The county may need a new jail but it certainly doesn't need an office building or a dispatch center. Along with many others, I will shop out of the county if the sales tax increases. Vote NO December 1st!

[Laughing]

voteno wrote:

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Oh please, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the connection between the people serving on the committee and the sheriff. There should never be a county commissioner on such a committee. Of course unless he plans to not be a commissioner another term along with the sheriff. It makes perfect sense to NOT vote yes for the new jail as it is proposed. The county may need a new jail but it certainly doesn't need an office building or a dispatch center. Along with many others, I will shop out of the county if the sales tax increases. Vote NO December 1st!

I agree vote NO....a lot of the people on the committee don't shop here either.

[Laughing]

oooh wrote:

Why do you keep saying that it is the sheriff doing all this? There is a commitee. They are all doing the investigating on what is the most feasable. The office needs to be in the same building as the jail. That doesnt even make sense not to. We have to have one big enough to house the prisoners now and in the future. You dont want to have to do this again, do you? It doesnt make sense not to vote yes. Even if you dont shop in the area you would have to pay higher property taxes. Would you rather do that?

Who says we are going to pay higher property taxes..that just doesn't just happen if you vote no...I don't want to have to do it again I don't want to have to do it at all..we don't need anything near as "plush" as they are planning on.

[Travler]

I see the village idiots are alive and well. They never can see past the front of their nose to the future.
I started to write about Sedan not having much of a future. But decided I would be like most people there and continue letting the town die by the status quo.
Here is a prediction in five years Sedan will look even more like a ghost town. Hope I'm proven wrong.

LAST ONE TO LEAVE TURN OUT THE LIGHTS PLEASE

[You Think]

You think a new jail is going to save this town..please...with a sales tax of almost $.10 on the dollar for the next 20+ years who would want to shop here. The point being this is Chautauqua County we need a jail but not one like they are planning..

[Travler]

No a jail will not save Sedan. I believe Sedan is terminal, an probably not savable. But a new jail can be used to house out of county prisoners. This is a source of jobs to help the town. The income from housing these inmates also helps pay for the jail. If people would take the time to look into other county's that have went this route you would find that they have payed off there jails in less time than the sales tax was allocated for.

As for the sales tax issue take your money and go out of county, fund the county infrastructure where your taking your money to they will be more than glad to have it.

[You Think]

Travler wrote:

No a jail will not save Sedan. I believe Sedan is terminal, an probably not savable. But a new jail can be used to house out of county prisoners. This is a source of jobs to help the town. The income from housing these inmates also helps pay for the jail. If people would take the time to look into other county's that have went this route you would find that they have payed off there jails in less time than the sales tax was allocated for.
As for the sales tax issue take your money and go out of county, fund the county infrastructure where your taking your money to they will be more than glad to have it.

actually I shop at home believe it or not but if you feel this town is "terminal" (your words) why waste the time and money to create a few jobs for a few years and maybe have a small source of income from prisoners, which is doubtful because according to the sheriff crime is on the rise so it will probably be full all the time.

[votenoo]

Travler wrote:

No a jail will not save Sedan. I believe Sedan is terminal, an probably not savable. But a new jail can be used to house out of county prisoners. This is a source of jobs to help the town. The income from housing these inmates also helps pay for the jail. If people would take the time to look into other county's that have went this route you would find that they have payed off there jails in less time than the sales tax was allocated for.
As for the sales tax issue take your money and go out of county, fund the county infrastructure where your taking your money to they will be more than glad to have it.

It might create a couple jobs, but the salaries will be payed with county taxes. How is that going to help the county? Doesn't the tax payers pay enough for all the deputies and cars the sheriff has now? If the surrounding counties have the space to house Chautauqua county inmates, why would they need to pay Chautauqua county to house their inmates? What sense does that make? We are far from being like other counties, we are one of the poorest, if not the poorest in the state so it would do no good to take the time to compare with others. A lot of the people in this county earn their money out of the county so it makes perfect sense to support the county that supports them. Those who don't spend their money out of the county, will if the sales tax increases. Once again...how is that going to help the county? Tax payers can not afford this plush project! Vote NO!

[oooh]

we used to house prisoners from SG. and BU. CO. We can still house prisoners from larger counties. Why should we continue to pay MG. and EK. CO. to house our prisoners? They are making money off of us. We could be making money off of SG @ BU CO. If we are the poorest county then why wouldnt we want to try to pull ourselves out of it. You go on ahead supporting other counties and see how long it takes to find yourself moving. When there is nothing at all left you will have to. Thats ok. Yes we can compare to other co. because there are smaller counties doing the same thing. If other counties are supporting you then you should move there to pay their property tax. You dont want to do that, because it is a lot more. I spend money in this county and so do a lot of others. I dont think that everyone will spend money elsewhere. You have no idea how plush this project is. There are other people on this committee besides the sheriff and a commisioner. There are civillians on there also. You vote any way you want to. That is your right. But I dont believe you have a clue. Seems like you voted for the looser of the sheriff race and you are still sore about loosing. You are not a true Chautauqua Co. resident. You dont seem to work here, or shop here. You only like the idea of living in this area so you dont pay as much as you would in a bigger co. VOTE YES!!!!!!

[Travler]

Thank you oooh well said. Seems that there are a few left trying to make things better over there.

[Why]

oooh wrote:

we used to house prisoners from SG. and BU. CO. We can still house prisoners from larger counties. Why should we continue to pay MG. and EK. CO. to house our prisoners? They are making money off of us. We could be making money off of SG @ BU CO. If we are the poorest county then why wouldnt we want to try to pull ourselves out of it. You go on ahead supporting other counties and see how long it takes to find yourself moving. When there is nothing at all left you will have to. Thats ok. Yes we can compare to other co. because there are smaller counties doing the same thing. If other counties are supporting you then you should move there to pay their property tax. You dont want to do that, because it is a lot more. I spend money in this county and so do a lot of others. I dont think that everyone will spend money elsewhere. You have no idea how plush this project is. There are other people on this committee besides the sheriff and a commisioner. There are civillians on there also. You vote any way you want to. That is your right. But I dont believe you have a clue. Seems like you voted for the looser of the sheriff race and you are still sore about loosing. You are not a true Chautauqua Co. resident. You dont seem to work here, or shop here. You only like the idea of living in this area so you dont pay as much as you would in a bigger co. VOTE YES!!!!!!

We use to do a lot of things but those days are gone. Do you really think building a new jail in a county that the traveler says is dead is going to help? I'm sure that the business people in the county appreciate your business. But I'm sure that the business people are not liking the one cent sales tax increase. They know they will loose customers because of it. I don't know who picked the other people on the committee but I'm sure they would agree with anything the sheriff tells them or wants them to do. We have a lot of those kind of people in Chautauqua county. I voted for the new sheriff but I still think he and his committee are wrong. The clue I have is that we don't need a jail like the sheriff and the committee is try to jam down our throats. I have lived in Chautauqua county all my life and I have seen a lot of sheriffs come and go and I believe this one is on his way out. I also own property in this county and if it comes to it I will pay higher property taxes but I will vote no for the sales tax. If the sheriff and the committee sees that enough people vote no maybe they will look at their plans again.

[votenoo]

For your information oooh...I voted for the present sheriff, but only to get the last sheriff out of office. I won't make the mistake of voting for him again.

[yankee]

Penny wise pound foolish. That seems to be the Mission statement of Chautauqua County. I know why don't we just merge with Elk, at least they have vision.
We don't always build any County buildings for present generations. Do you think our ancestors thought like that when they lived thru the depression and the dust bowl. They always build for the future. Who knows your Children or Grandchildren could be working at the New Jail. Yes, I believe it will be built.

[old lady]

oooh wrote:

we used to house prisoners from SG. and BU. CO. We can still house prisoners from larger counties. Why should we continue to pay MG. and EK. CO. to house our prisoners? They are making money off of us. We could be making money off of SG @ BU CO. If we are the poorest county then why wouldnt we want to try to pull ourselves out of it. You go on ahead supporting other counties and see how long it takes to find yourself moving. When there is nothing at all left you will have to. Thats ok. Yes we can compare to other co. because there are smaller counties doing the same thing. If other counties are supporting you then you should move there to pay their property tax. You dont want to do that, because it is a lot more. I spend money in this county and so do a lot of others. I dont think that everyone will spend money elsewhere. You have no idea how plush this project is. There are other people on this committee besides the sheriff and a commisioner. There are civillians on there also. You vote any way you want to. That is your right. But I dont believe you have a clue. Seems like you voted for the looser of the sheriff race and you are still sore about loosing. You are not a true Chautauqua Co. resident. You dont seem to work here, or shop here. You only like the idea of living in this area so you dont pay as much as you would in a bigger co. VOTE YES!!!!!!

yes you are right there was more than sheriff and a commissioner on the board. city counsil no good old joe. that new jail is not going to make more jobs. we have enough people getting paid for doing nothing. according to the sheriff the crime is risen. what does that have to do with no jail. i guess i am just an old lady that does not know anything. i think that would be on our sheriff department and city police. does not sound good when our own sheriff states that.
i am against the sales tax but if we dont then our taxes is going to raise. they are going to raise any way because we are getting new businesses in town and outside of the city.

[You Think]

Your real estate taxes will not raise automatically if you vote no....and why would your taxes raise by getting new businesses that doesn't make sense.

[oooh]

Jail steering committee: Perry Russell, Danny Williams, David Casement, Mike Campbell, Janet Hartley, Jack Newcomb, Tim Nordell, Elroy Smith, Linda Robinette, Judy Tolbert, Doug Siebert. Good ole boys: Janet, Tim, Elroy, Linda, Judy. There are 11 people on this committee. They are from all walks of life. Maybe none of them are on welfare. They do all work. But they are all Good ole boys. Some of them were not even Russell supporters during the election. Are you people just sore because you were not picked to be on this committee? They were all picked to do the investigation on this matter and to keep the sheriff in check. It is up to the voters to decide on the tax. If the sales tax doesnt go through then they will have to raise taxes. As for business coming into Sedan. YEA!!!! Thank goodness we have business wanting to come here. We have to look towards the future not just sit back and let it pass bye. Vote YES for the future.

[oooh]

No the taxes will not go up to build the jail, but it will have to go up to continue to transport and house prisoners out of county. The budget will have to go up for the county.

[Yankee]

votenoo wrote:

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It might create a couple jobs, but the salaries will be payed with county taxes. How is that going to help the county? Doesn't the tax payers pay enough for all the deputies and cars the sheriff has now? If the surrounding counties have the space to house Chautauqua county inmates, why would they need to pay Chautauqua county to house their inmates? What sense does that make? We are far from being like other counties, we are one of the poorest, if not the poorest in the state so it would do no good to take the time to compare with others. A lot of the people in this county earn their money out of the county so it makes perfect sense to support the county that supports them. Those who don't spend their money out of the county, will if the sales tax increases. Once again...how is that going to help the county? Tax payers can not afford this plush project! Vote NO!

Most counties hire outside consultants to do the work the jail steering commitee has worked on. They do this after hours on their own time with no pay. Consultants could charge from $25,000-100,000.00. The figure would depend on the hours spent working on the project. Our folks work on this for free. So I believe that tax dollars are being saved for a worthy cause. Do what you wish but in the end you will pay, whether it is in hiring more Deputies to Transport to Elk or you build a Jail. You will decide, but keep in mind more Deputies will have to be hired to Transport. Deputies can not work 24 hour shifts.