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Bicyclists injured in separate incidents - Ruidoso News

There are 35 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Sep 29, 2009, titled Bicyclists injured in separate incidents - Ruidoso News. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

Three riders were injured in two vehicle-related bicycle accidents during the Tour de Ruidoso Saturday.

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you know it

Amarillo, TX

#21 Oct 4, 2009
Then move the ==== over and let people pass you on the road. Don't take up the whole road. ROAD HOGS
cyclist_motorist

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Oct 5, 2009
Although I am an avid commute-to-work and occasional joyride cyclist, I wonder at organizers setting up such events in locations where there is obviously little room (and no way for motorists to get around the resulting traffic jams) for hordes of bicyclists. When I lived in Moriarty it seemed almost every weekend there was some kind of bike race with dozens or hundreds of cyclists riding side by side on a narrow 2-lane highway (NM 41), often obstructing traffic. Yes, I love to bike too, but we must admit when we get even modest groups together we tend to group up and ride 2, 3, or more abreast taking up the right lane where the poor schmuck who would really like to get to work on time cannot safely pass. Not a way to win friends amongst motorists.
However, I would like motorists to keep in mind:
-Cyclists DO pay taxes for roads. Even if they didn't own a car, sales, income, and property taxes pay a share of road expenses too.
-Cycling is dangerous but FUN and GREAT for your figure, male or female.
-Fuel prices will likely never go back to really affordable levels, so cycling will likely continue to increase.
-Yes, bicycles are irritating to encounter and slow down for, but each one only costs you a few seconds (or even MINUTES!) at most, and each one counts for one less automobile to clog the road around you.
-Thus, each bike represents a measurable drop in the demand, and thus the price pressure, on gasoline for YOU.
Ruidoso, and other places like it with scenic mountains, etc, will always remain attractive to cyclists for the same reason YOU LOCALS find it attractive. Thus even with limited roads and the dangers involved, many will find it worth the risk to bike-ride and enjoy your scenery.
As I see it, motorists have little choice but to adapt to increasing bicycle use on the public roads, and cyclists have little choice but to try to improve the public's perception of cyclists. Ferinstance, I have recently resolved to stop flipping drivers off who narrowly brush by me or otherwise miss me by mere inches. Most do not intend to hurt or harass, and those who do will merely be confused if I wave nice-like instead of screaming and flipping them the bird.
(sigh...)
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#23 Oct 5, 2009
cyclist_motorist wrote:
Although I am an avid commute-to-work and occasional joyride cyclist, I wonder at organizers setting up such events in locations where there is obviously little room (and no way for motorists to get around the resulting traffic jams) for hordes of bicyclists.
Quite honestly.. they don't care. You can see by the responses that they consider themselves above the laws of common sense. Elitists without one ounce of social responsibility.

In my youth locals rode horses to Ruidoso and would often go through the drive thru. It was nothing to see a half dozen horse riders walking through mid-town.

Those are days gone. Many complaints about the safety were voiced and it caused quite a scene for some time.

Our demographics have changed and the type of traffic we have today makes riding a horse through mid-town, or anywhere near the major road structures, one of the most dangerous, and selfish, activities one could imagine if there are large groups.

It's true that horse owners ARE tax payers, and horse owners ARE motorists, and horse owners have just as much right to the road just as anyone else.

Maybe they just have more horse sense than the cyclists in Lincoln County.

;-)

Do we have a minimum speed law? Does anyone know if we do?

The normal speed laws say: No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, unless the reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or in compliance with law.
cyclist with common sense

Albuquerque, NM

#24 Oct 5, 2009
THis is an easy problem to fix. Car driver's are driving at unsafe speeds by the Grinch's own admission. If the car drivers can't see around the corners and don't have room to pass easily the speed limit should be lowered. If the cars are only allowed to go 20mph max accidents would be far fewer and less damaging when they occur.
Grinch wrote:
Cyclists, be aware that these mountain roads are NOT designed for your activity.
I always feel like the Grinch that stole Christmas when I keep repeating the one reality that the pom-pom crowd fail to see...
Our roads are NOT safe for you, and YOU are endangering US.
I almost hit two bikers on Saturday. In fact, the vehicle in front of me almost hit them, and the vehicle behind me almost hit them..
Those folks must have more lives than a cat!
One male cyclist was pushing (his hand on her back ) a female cyclist up the hill towards Swiss Chalet.
At that location there is a two lane highway returning to one lane going north, and two lane highway returning to a one lane highway going south. All drivers are pre-occupied in making that transition from two lane to one lane on what is becoming a heavy traffic road.
I didn't even SEE those cyclists. The driver in front of me clearly didn't see the cyclists. And had any of the 3 vehicles hit those riders it would not have been reckless driving at fault.
In these mountains we have to cope with blind curves, and the limited visibility that comes with one lane traffic going around those blind curves. We do NOT have the room to cope with gaggles of cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast, neither do we always have the visibility to see them ahead of time.
It's a crying shame that it has become so politically incorrect to correct folks these days. And somehow the cyclists seem to demand something no human being can offer.
1) We can't make the roads straighter.
2) We don't want to make them wider.
3) And WE don't want to die trying to stop our vehicles from hitting you while you sit and chat with other bikers 3 inches away from traffic. Ride two or three abreast so that one can push another up steep inclines, knowing that the road is turning into a one lane system. And other daft stuff that is endangering me and mine.
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#25 Oct 5, 2009
cyclist with common sense wrote:
THis is an easy problem to fix. Car driver's are driving at unsafe speeds by the Grinch's own admission. If the car drivers can't see around the corners and don't have room to pass easily the speed limit should be lowered. If the cars are only allowed to go 20mph max accidents would be far fewer and less damaging when they occur.<quoted text>
I can't deny that some folks drive like idiots. Read my lips... "SOME."
But I think 20 mph on highway 48 would be idiotic.. is that what you cyclist are proposing.
How fast can you peddle? Are we to reduce our speed to YOUR speed?
Going up to the Swiss Chalet with THREE cyclists blocking the road.. one pushing the middle.. and you have a traffic jam delux of folks driving 2 mph behind three people peddling.
And that's okay with you?
So where is this common sense you have in your name?
huh

Durango, CO

#26 Oct 5, 2009
The Grinch is just another stupid redneck, how surprising are his comments... I'm not surprised it is New Mexico...
OutInTheWestTexa sTown

United States

#27 Oct 5, 2009
Perhaps what should be done in the future for the safety of all concerned is the road(s) be temporarly closed to all cars and truck traffic just like they do for the parade.
This would allow the cyclists to have a safe tour and afterwards the car traffic would not have to be concerned with cyclists of the event.
Car and truck drivers will still need to pay attention to the cyclists that are lawfully using the roads. Cyclists must continue to be aware and stay within the traffic laws.
Common Sense all around is what is needed and road closures may be the answer, maybe not. Safety First to everyone.
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#28 Oct 5, 2009
huh wrote:
The Grinch is just another stupid redneck, how surprising are his comments... I'm not surprised it is New Mexico...
A redneck I may be. But I don't speed, have never had a ticket in 40+ years of driving nor an accident in the same time period. And I would like to see cyclists use the correct - SAFE - location for their activities. Not cause a 10 car collision on a mountain road, or become a fatality, because they don't have the IQ to understand that a one lane road isn't wide enough for a tour de anything..

Except a trip to the hospital or morgue.
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#29 Oct 5, 2009
OutInTheWestTexasTown wrote:
Perhaps what should be done in the future for the safety of all concerned is the road(s) be temporarly closed to all cars and truck traffic just like they do for the parade.
This would allow the cyclists to have a safe tour and afterwards the car traffic would not have to be concerned with cyclists of the event.
Car and truck drivers will still need to pay attention to the cyclists that are lawfully using the roads. Cyclists must continue to be aware and stay within the traffic laws.
Common Sense all around is what is needed and road closures may be the answer, maybe not. Safety First to everyone.
With proper planning that would be a reasonable alternative. But the proper planning was lacking. And there really is enough territory in the 400 square miles of Lincoln County to evade the highly congested residential area's in Ruidoso which have high traffic, and still have a great time and wonderful event in some pristine landscape.

All we hear about is the injuries... Lord forbid we start counting the "near misses."

I have never spoken to a cycling group and to be honest if the comments here reflect the mindset of most cyclist I suspect they are too arrogant a group to even consider anything that even comes close to rationality.

Reading what they write is like reading a 5 yr old having a temper tantrum.... 20 mph on Highway 48.. now that's going to go over like the Titanic even with law enforcement and the county commisioners. That's the type of "common" sense few of us would even want to brag about.
Steve

United States

#30 Oct 5, 2009
Grinch.... the name is quite appropriate! OK just to much miss information from the Grinch.

This event is a fund raiser for the Ruidoso Hospice Foundation. No one is making money other than those in their last days who need home care, and or can't afford their medications. That is where the money goes.
Because of the generosity of our sponsors, 100 % of each participants entry fee goes directly to the Foundation. The Hospice Foundation provides end of life care for the residents of Lincoln County.

This event has broad support across our community we have a long list of sponsors and volunteers, that all give of their time and resouces to make this possible. All are helping make a difference in our community.

I hope that next time that you, Grinch see a cyclist training, or participating (as many train here for several weeks prior to the event) you might think of that person as someone making a contribution for your friends, family, or neighbors who are in desperate need... One day they may even be riding for you.

All we are asking is please be aware, give the cyclist a little room. Share the road!
Whoa

Concord, CA

#31 Oct 6, 2009
The driver of the truck that hit the cyclists at the corner of Gavilan and hwy 48(in the middle of the intersection) was a Village employee. This same employee had just passed somewhere around 100 cyclists as well as going past the LARGE FLASHING warning sign put up by the Village. There were no skid marks or brake marks in the road-its obvious he turned on to Gavilan, oblivious of any kind of traffic in his way. The cyclists clearly had the right of way-they were traveling north on 48 and the Village employee was turning east onto Gavilan and should have yielded. The oncoming traffic could have been a motorcycle, it could have been pedestrians, or another car. This is a careless driver that needs direction and sanctions from his employer. Had he hit another car or motorcycle it probably would not have even made the paper. Quit beating up on cyclists and their rights to the road, because they have just as much right to the road as you do. Get used to sharing....most of us learned that in kindergarten.
OutInTheWestTexa sTown

United States

#32 Oct 6, 2009
I too am a cyclist and I also have a class A, or cdl license. I understand both sides of the problem of sharing the road with cars, trucks, motorcycles, bicycles, etc. Everyone has to understand that we all have a responsibility while traveling on the roads in America. Traveling on roads is not a right but rather a privledge to do so.
Everyone has to pay attention and be courteous while using this privledge.
Grinch wrote:
<quoted text>
With proper planning that would be a reasonable alternative. But the proper planning was lacking. And there really is enough territory in the 400 square miles of Lincoln County to evade the highly congested residential area's in Ruidoso which have high traffic, and still have a great time and wonderful event in some pristine landscape.
All we hear about is the injuries... Lord forbid we start counting the "near misses."
I have never spoken to a cycling group and to be honest if the comments here reflect the mindset of most cyclist I suspect they are too arrogant a group to even consider anything that even comes close to rationality.
Reading what they write is like reading a 5 yr old having a temper tantrum.... 20 mph on Highway 48.. now that's going to go over like the Titanic even with law enforcement and the county commisioners. That's the type of "common" sense few of us would even want to brag about.
OTR Driver

Glendale, CA

#33 Oct 6, 2009
OutInTheWestTexasTown wrote:
I too am a cyclist and I also have a class A, or cdl license. I understand both sides of the problem of sharing the road with cars, trucks, motorcycles, bicycles, etc. Everyone has to understand that we all have a responsibility while traveling on the roads in America. Traveling on roads is not a right but rather a privledge to do so.
Everyone has to pay attention and be courteous while using this privledge.
<quoted text>
Yes someone who gets it.
Jack Shuster

AOL

#34 Oct 6, 2009
In Kona, on the Big Island of Hawaii, home of the Ironman Triathlon, cyclists are urged to ride single file and stay on the shoulder, off the highway, when practicing. On the day of the event, the highways are closed in one lane to allow the racers room to compete. The police monitor.
just saying EP

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#35 Oct 6, 2009
while i understand the attitude from both sides, i really do lean to the car/truck/motorcycle/18wheeler viewpoint.
on the small 2 lane roads the bicyclist needs to be more aware of whats going on around them. Yes thay have a right to ride, but most i see are use no common sence at all, 2-3 abreast or more on a hilly/curvey road, or 2 abreast on a busy city street during high traffic times, lets just say its not smart!! Blasting stop signs, running red lights, share the road works both ways. I can't understand how more accidents havent already happened.

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