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Bicyclists injured in separate incidents - Ruidoso News

There are 35 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Sep 29, 2009, titled Bicyclists injured in separate incidents - Ruidoso News. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

Three riders were injured in two vehicle-related bicycle accidents during the Tour de Ruidoso Saturday.

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bike commuter

Huntsville, AL

#1 Oct 1, 2009
motorists, be aware, be careful!
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#2 Oct 1, 2009
Cyclists, be aware that these mountain roads are NOT designed for your activity.

I always feel like the Grinch that stole Christmas when I keep repeating the one reality that the pom-pom crowd fail to see...

Our roads are NOT safe for you, and YOU are endangering US.

I almost hit two bikers on Saturday. In fact, the vehicle in front of me almost hit them, and the vehicle behind me almost hit them..

Those folks must have more lives than a cat!

One male cyclist was pushing (his hand on her back ) a female cyclist up the hill towards Swiss Chalet.

At that location there is a two lane highway returning to one lane going north, and two lane highway returning to a one lane highway going south. All drivers are pre-occupied in making that transition from two lane to one lane on what is becoming a heavy traffic road.

I didn't even SEE those cyclists. The driver in front of me clearly didn't see the cyclists. And had any of the 3 vehicles hit those riders it would not have been reckless driving at fault.

In these mountains we have to cope with blind curves, and the limited visibility that comes with one lane traffic going around those blind curves. We do NOT have the room to cope with gaggles of cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast, neither do we always have the visibility to see them ahead of time.

It's a crying shame that it has become so politically incorrect to correct folks these days. And somehow the cyclists seem to demand something no human being can offer.

1) We can't make the roads straighter.

2) We don't want to make them wider.

3) And WE don't want to die trying to stop our vehicles from hitting you while you sit and chat with other bikers 3 inches away from traffic. Ride two or three abreast so that one can push another up steep inclines, knowing that the road is turning into a one lane system. And other daft stuff that is endangering me and mine.
Evil Todd

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Oct 2, 2009
Grinch wrote:
Cyclists, be aware that these mountain roads are NOT designed for your activity.
I always feel like the Grinch that stole Christmas when I keep repeating the one reality that the pom-pom crowd fail to see...
Our roads are NOT safe for you, and YOU are endangering US.
I almost hit two bikers on Saturday. In fact, the vehicle in front of me almost hit them, and the vehicle behind me almost hit them..
Those folks must have more lives than a cat!
One male cyclist was pushing (his hand on her back ) a female cyclist up the hill towards Swiss Chalet.
At that location there is a two lane highway returning to one lane going north, and two lane highway returning to a one lane highway going south. All drivers are pre-occupied in making that transition from two lane to one lane on what is becoming a heavy traffic road.
I didn't even SEE those cyclists. The driver in front of me clearly didn't see the cyclists. And had any of the 3 vehicles hit those riders it would not have been reckless driving at fault.
In these mountains we have to cope with blind curves, and the limited visibility that comes with one lane traffic going around those blind curves. We do NOT have the room to cope with gaggles of cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast, neither do we always have the visibility to see them ahead of time.
It's a crying shame that it has become so politically incorrect to correct folks these days. And somehow the cyclists seem to demand something no human being can offer.
1) We can't make the roads straighter.
2) We don't want to make them wider.
3) And WE don't want to die trying to stop our vehicles from hitting you while you sit and chat with other bikers 3 inches away from traffic. Ride two or three abreast so that one can push another up steep inclines, knowing that the road is turning into a one lane system. And other daft stuff that is endangering me and mine.
more-on. This was a sanctioned race and it was up to the MOTORIST to be more aware at this moment. damnyouredum
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#4 Oct 2, 2009
I don't care if it was sanctioned or not. It was ludicrous. Point blank dangerous.

Before those who have some profit to be made by enticing cyclists to come to this destination I strongly suggest some truth in advertising.

The dead deer alongside the highway give testament to the fact that our roads do not give the visibility for such sport.

THIS (the deer) could be a cyclist caught in a location where such visibility is zero.

Don't blame the motorists who are driving safely for WE don't have a financial stake in this idiocy, and we share NO responsibility for those who are clearly going to get injured.

Take that responsibility to those who do have a financial gain to be made, and who are going to try to make a $$$ despite common sense ruling otherwise.
Evil Todd

Los Angeles, CA

#5 Oct 2, 2009
Grinch wrote:
I don't care if it was sanctioned or not. It was ludicrous. Point blank dangerous.
Before those who have some profit to be made by enticing cyclists to come to this destination I strongly suggest some truth in advertising.
The dead deer alongside the highway give testament to the fact that our roads do not give the visibility for such sport.
THIS (the deer) could be a cyclist caught in a location where such visibility is zero.
Don't blame the motorists who are driving safely for WE don't have a financial stake in this idiocy, and we share NO responsibility for those who are clearly going to get injured.
Take that responsibility to those who do have a financial gain to be made, and who are going to try to make a $$$ despite common sense ruling otherwise.
If motorists wouldn't speed through there.....
Yeah

Bloomington, IL

#6 Oct 2, 2009
I have to agree with grinch. Bikers belong on the many mountain trails we have, not the roads without bike lanes.
Incognito

Hobbs, NM

#7 Oct 2, 2009
I agree, the roads are much too narrow.
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#8 Oct 2, 2009
I cannot deny that SOME motorists do speed, and SOME drive reckless.

I watched cyclists ride in a reckless manner. Why are we ignoring that small factor or are they a privileged group exempt from personal responsibility or road safety manners?

Is there something happening here I fail to recognize?

I pay taxes to use the roads for the purpose they were built to be used for. They were NOT built or designed to be used as a racetrack.

I wouldn't expect the entire county of Lincoln to bow down to MY needs if I wanted to turn the roads into a motorcycle race. I would expect some people to get hurt because the roads were NOT designed as a racetrack.

Neither would I expect the same if I was to start horse races on public roads. I can just see endurance horses being allowed to race alongside major roads and the powers that be expecting the MOTORISTS to be held responsible for any mishaps.
I can't even see it being allowed. Period.

You hold RACES on public "mountain" roads designed for a purpose other than races and folks are going to get hurt. If you can't grasp that fact you are living in a different reality system.

Who is profiting from this lunacy? You? Because this isn't about sport.. this is about a profit and someone is going to end up making that profit if WE the motorists are persuaded that WE have an obligation that we simply don't have.
Pinky

Tucson, AZ

#9 Oct 2, 2009
Grinch wrote:
I don't care if it was sanctioned or not. It was ludicrous. Point blank dangerous.
Before those who have some profit to be made by enticing cyclists to come to this destination I strongly suggest some truth in advertising.
The dead deer alongside the highway give testament to the fact that our roads do not give the visibility for such sport.
THIS (the deer) could be a cyclist caught in a location where such visibility is zero.
Don't blame the motorists who are driving safely for WE don't have a financial stake in this idiocy, and we share NO responsibility for those who are clearly going to get injured.
Take that responsibility to those who do have a financial gain to be made, and who are going to try to make a $$$ despite common sense ruling otherwise.
I agree with you entirely. It's not just a nuisance, but a dangerous nuisance.
bikemanlc

United States

#10 Oct 2, 2009
Yeah wrote:
I have to agree with grinch. Bikers belong on the many mountain trails we have, not the roads without bike lanes.
Every lane is a bike lane.

There is an amazing attitude in this country. We seem to believe that once we are in an automobile we become invincible and above the normal laws of courtesy and kindness. A normally kind, considerate individual will become incensed when a cyclist causes them to lose 10 seconds from their trip. Grinch, you suggest that the race organizers should warn participants about the dangers of riding in the area. How would such a warning read? "Warning. Inconsiderate drivers ahead", or perhaps "Warning, twisty mountain roads and motorists who don't give a damn." Cyclists have all the same rights to the road that motorists do, with the increased responsibility to watch out for people who worry only about themselves. Grinch, what would happen if that thing on the side of the road you didn't see was a car that had broken down or had a flat tire. Then you wouldn't be hitting a cyclists, you would be hitting a ton of steel that will do significant damage to you as well. Something to think about next time you barrel around those corners with little or no regard to anyone other than yourself.
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#11 Oct 2, 2009
Bikemanlc,

Having read the snotty responses to genuine, sincere, concerns and realities I suspect your first warning should be;

"The residents of Lincoln County will not tolerate racing on our PUBLIC roads intended for transportation and we will.. if push comes to shove.. join forced to demand that the powers that be place a ban on future requests for "sanctioned" idiocy."

Did I just hear a cash register go silent? Ca-ching.

Evil Todd

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Oct 2, 2009
you motorists need to read the laws regarding cyclists, more. All cyclists are allowed on all streets. Call it dangerous, and it is, all you want. But the facts are, they are allowed there and it is YOUR duty to avoid them as much as it is theirs to ride safely.

Cyclists pay taxes too, or do you not know that, grinch? And roads are designed for safe passage to destinations. Not just for cars. EVERYONE is entitled to use them.
Pull Over

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Oct 2, 2009
Grinch, park your car. You obviously can't drive safely with other traffic on the roadway. Maybe it's time you give up your license and leave the driving to people who are careful and respectful of all of us on the road. It is mean, crabby people like you who push the limits of safety because you are inconvienced for a few seconds or minutes. Slow down and enjoy life a bit...
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#14 Oct 2, 2009
NOT FOR RACING!

Car organizations CANNOT get a permit to race on public roads...

Equine organizations CANNOT get a permit to race on public roads...

Motorbike organizations CANNOT get a permit to race on public roads...

Pick your poison.. NO VEHICLES or forms of TRANSPORTATION are given permits to race on public roads ...

But you cyclists EXPECT something others cannot get and they cannot get it because it's TOO DANGEROUS.

Especially on OUR roads.

And the ONLY thing YOU and your snotty irresponsible attitude is accomplishing is making darned sure that a group is formed to STOP anymore sanctioned races. You may think you are privileged but you are not.
Grinch

Hobbs, NM

#15 Oct 2, 2009
Pull Over wrote:
Grinch, park your car. You obviously can't drive safely with other traffic on the roadway. Maybe it's time you give up your license and leave the driving to people who are careful and respectful of all of us on the road. It is mean, crabby people like you who push the limits of safety because you are inconvienced for a few seconds or minutes. Slow down and enjoy life a bit...
Why should I expect anything more from your group.

It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Have you noticed that?

The writers defending the "Tour de Ruidoso" have shown themselves to be thoroughly irresponsible. They have ignored the terrain, the already congested roads, the logical conclusion that our roads are not suitable for such a fiasco and it endangers DRIVERS as well as cyclists.

The ONLY thing they can contribute is finger pointing, blaming motorists and calling others names.

Keep talking. You are representing a minority and it's good for the majority to see who you are and what you are made of.
whotheh3llisbob

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Oct 2, 2009
Grinch wrote:
NOT FOR RACING!
Car organizations CANNOT get a permit to race on public roads...
Equine organizations CANNOT get a permit to race on public roads...
Motorbike organizations CANNOT get a permit to race on public roads...
Pick your poison.. NO VEHICLES or forms of TRANSPORTATION are given permits to race on public roads ...
But you cyclists EXPECT something others cannot get and they cannot get it because it's TOO DANGEROUS.
Especially on OUR roads.
And the ONLY thing YOU and your snotty irresponsible attitude is accomplishing is making darned sure that a group is formed to STOP anymore sanctioned races. You may think you are privileged but you are not.
actaully yes, cars can get a permit for street racing. Ever hear of the Long Beach Grand Prix? It's a lot harder, but can be done. Just show the city how they'll profit from it.
Proud to Ride

Alto, NM

#17 Oct 2, 2009
Just to clarify that the Tour de Ruidoso is a ride and not a race. Proceeds go to the Ruidoso Hospice Foundation. Riders participate to support this wonderful organization . In spite of those who think cyclist should not be on "your mountain roads" , the cyclist will continue to come back to Ruidoso. You will continue to see cyclist on the road, in town, in the mountains and everywhere travel is permitted. Respect us and we will respect you.
C man4

Santa Fe, NM

#18 Oct 2, 2009
Well did the drivers get tickets we drove past the first one on our way to the 20 miler and the tandem bike was cut in half and the other one happened after we started
C man4

Santa Fe, NM

#19 Oct 2, 2009
Grinch wrote:
Cyclists, be aware that these mountain roads are NOT designed for your activity.
I always feel like the Grinch that stole Christmas when I keep repeating the one reality that the pom-pom crowd fail to see...
Our roads are NOT safe for you, and YOU are endangering US.
I almost hit two bikers on Saturday. In fact, the vehicle in front of me almost hit them, and the vehicle behind me almost hit them..
Those folks must have more lives than a cat!
One male cyclist was pushing (his hand on her back ) a female cyclist up the hill towards Swiss Chalet.
At that location there is a two lane highway returning to one lane going north, and two lane highway returning to a one lane highway going south. All drivers are pre-occupied in making that transition from two lane to one lane on what is becoming a heavy traffic road.
I didn't even SEE those cyclists. The driver in front of me clearly didn't see the cyclists. And had any of the 3 vehicles hit those riders it would not have been reckless driving at fault.
In these mountains we have to cope with blind curves, and the limited visibility that comes with one lane traffic going around those blind curves. We do NOT have the room to cope with gaggles of cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast, neither do we always have the visibility to see them ahead of time.
It's a crying shame that it has become so politically incorrect to correct folks these days. And somehow the cyclists seem to demand something no human being can offer.
1) We can't make the roads straighter.
2) We don't want to make them wider.
3) And WE don't want to die trying to stop our vehicles from hitting you while you sit and chat with other bikers 3 inches away from traffic. Ride two or three abreast so that one can push another up steep inclines, knowing that the road is turning into a one lane system. And other daft stuff that is endangering me and mine.

Well they had signs posted saying that there were people riding during the week so you should pay more attention

Plus if you cant pay attention to whats coming your going to hit yourself and youll be complaining about you car and yelling at the other driver. About something you should pay more attention at. How do you think those two bikers felt getting run over like that
Proud to Ride

Alto, NM

#20 Oct 3, 2009
Both drivers involved in the accidents were given "failure to yield" citations as reported in the Ruidoso News.

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