Will you support council candidates who don't reside in the city limits?

Created by mom of two on Aug 17, 2012

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Get out the map

Glasgow, KY

#1 Aug 17, 2012
with all the talk about the map , what about the map that tell where the two council members live that is running again for council.We know Hatcher knows where they both live. I know Hatcher will take care of that for he wants to do what is right and he wants cave city to prosper.
Good article

Glasgow, KY

#2 Aug 18, 2012
Thats what its all been about. very good point, we will see.
step up

Horse Cave, KY

#3 Aug 18, 2012
Instead of everyone sitting around complaining and talking about the residental issues, why don't the voters step up to the plate and take care of it themselves. There are six council seats and eight people running; if this is as big a deal as everyone seems to think, then it's in the voter's hands. Step up and take care of business, if you don't like it.
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#4 Aug 19, 2012
step up wrote:
Instead of everyone sitting around complaining and talking about the residental issues, why don't the voters step up to the plate and take care of it themselves. There are six council seats and eight people running; if this is as big a deal as everyone seems to think, then it's in the voter's hands. Step up and take care of business, if you don't like it.
They wont because they want to ignore the issue or are scared or retaliation if the truth comes out. I heard that one of them when in Montgomery Al was basically kicked out of the area or risked going to jail for burning down a house with his tennants in it. Finally a brother or something told him to leave the area. Dont know how true it is but there is a report in the system about the problems in the area at the time. You can probly find the police report for the actions in cc area also. There was an incodent at a bar, motel, and a couple others where violence played a part. But surprising no one went to jail for any length of time. Makes you wonder who was paid off or whether the buddy system follows to KSP.
arnett

United States

#5 Aug 19, 2012
We need good people back on the council like Hack Borden, Leon Adwell, the Davidsons. In the last 2 years most of the council have had members that are liars, drug users, have arrest records, family members on drugs, and people that threaten kids and steal. I remember when the council use to have a lawyer, pharmacist, preacher, doctors, etc that had clean records.
Mgrams

Waconia, MN

#6 Aug 19, 2012
arnett wrote:
We need good people back on the council like Hack Borden, Leon Adwell, the Davidsons. In the last 2 years most of the council have had members that are liars, drug users, have arrest records, family members on drugs, and people that threaten kids and steal. I remember when the council use to have a lawyer, pharmacist, preacher, doctors, etc that had clean records.
You do need good people on the council hack was a decent man, but the davidsons were not always honest either. For awhile the group was davidsons, hatcher and houchens who usually sided with hunt. Just because they "seen the light" doesnt forgive their actions and give them a free pass to go forward. It hould mean that they cant be trusted and shouldnt be allowed on council or mayor again.

There were many times that I knew what was going to happen hours or days before it happened at the council meetings. Which in my opinion is kind of crooked. They may not have met all at the same time but they did share their votes with each other as well as some that shouldnt have known until the meetings. In te end it is time for the council to switch because some have held the position for too long and believe they are superior over others.
eddie

Horse Cave, KY

#8 Aug 20, 2012
Just curious, exactley who are the council people who don't live in Cave City?
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#9 Aug 20, 2012
eddie wrote:
Just curious, exactley who are the council people who don't live in Cave City?
Houchens and Hogan were the two. Houchens has lived in the ark City limits or county limits. I dont know about hogan. Houchens claims to live in city limits and uses a PO Box there or he will move into one of his kids houses so he dont get caught then he is back out at the place in PC. I like mike but in this situation I agree if you are going to hold one accountable then hold them all accountable. Time to get rid of the favorites game in that city. It makes you wonder what is going on if someone is willing to fraud the public like that. The position dont pay squat so there is other motives behind it.
Keith

United States

#10 Aug 20, 2012
I think Mike Houchens has been on the council around 20 years now with the exception of when his wife was dying and had to leave for a couple years. I know he lived in Cave City when his kids were younger in school and when his wife passed. Some of his kids may live in there old family home raising there own family now, but I'm sure the house is still deeded to Mike. As for his other place, it could be another family members home or a piece of property he bought for rental or inheritance. It doesn't matter where you sleep or not, Mike still has a residence in Cave City that he has had all his life, as for who stays there is no ones business, if Mike Houchens wants to stay at a casino in Vegas except when there's a council meeting, it's his business. That's the problem when you own multiple properties, you can claim residence anywhere. This also distorts the voting system as there are a lot of people still registered to vote in cave city that moved away years ago and some still vote in town even though they moved out of there parents home years ago as I know a couple of people that live in another state that vote in cave city claiming there parents address.
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#11 Aug 21, 2012
Keith wrote:
I think Mike Houchens has been on the council around 20 years now with the exception of when his wife was dying and had to leave for a couple years. I know he lived in Cave City when his kids were younger in school and when his wife passed. Some of his kids may live in there old family home raising there own family now, but I'm sure the house is still deeded to Mike. As for his other place, it could be another family members home or a piece of property he bought for rental or inheritance. It doesn't matter where you sleep or not, Mike still has a residence in Cave City that he has had all his life, as for who stays there is no ones business, if Mike Houchens wants to stay at a casino in Vegas except when there's a council meeting, it's his business. That's the problem when you own multiple properties, you can claim residence anywhere. This also distorts the voting system as there are a lot of people still registered to vote in cave city that moved away years ago and some still vote in town even though they moved out of there parents home years ago as I know a couple of people that live in another state that vote in cave city claiming there parents address.
More than just I know mike is living in the house in PC and not one in cc. It does matter the law says he needs to reside in the city limits. You cant claim residency anywhere you want just because you have multiple properties, by law you need to choose 1 address where you sleep 4 out of 7 nights and that is consodered your residence and legal address. When it comes to voting the same thing except you can live in an area for 6 months and 1 day then it is your residence. The person in a dual residency must choose one place and live there minimum 6 months of each year. I know mike isnt living in a house in cc 6 months out of the year. His kids have their own homes in the city limits. I do know mike was going to swap with one of them the last time the issue came up so he didnt get caught lying about hs real address. As far as others well if they are caught voting when not claiming dual state residency then they can be charged criminally also. It is all in the laws the information posted.
Susie

Glasgow, KY

#12 Aug 21, 2012
I think Mike is good for the council who better to serve Cave City with the amount of properites he has in Cave City...Seems to me there are more important things in Cave City to worry about than where Houchins or Hogan lives...Clean it up and get businesses going again..for example..Just saying..
bill

Owensboro, KY

#13 Aug 21, 2012
Well there isn't anyone monitoring where you sleep unless your on probation or parole or something of that nature. I have known people that served on town councils in small areas and have a residence, but travel a lot with jobs, family, and such and are hardly ever in there home. The problem with Houchens is his multiple properties in different towns make it where he can claim any residence he desires. I voted in Edmonson County where I lived during my early voter years for over 10 years after I moved to Barren County, but changed my registration because I wanted to get involved in giving my vote to Barren County. I remember the lady freaked out when she found out that I had been voting in a county I hadn't lived in all those years, but she was afraid she would lose her job if the error was known, so nothing was done.

The only way to solve this is Mike Houchens would have to wear a monitoring device to see where he sleeps, but that would be invasion of privacy. Pam Hunt looks like she could have been charged with stalking if she was out at his home watching him and his neighbors similar to how she and others accused Todd Esters of doing.
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#14 Aug 21, 2012
Susie it should matter, the law is setup for a reason and if he wants to be on council he should have to follow the law like other people do when running for a political position. It only shows how hypocritical people are when they say it is ok for mike to win an election on false circumstances but raised hell about hogan and the mayors election. So what you are saying is that it is ok to lie about where you live to gain votes. Hmm same thing everyone complained about during the mayor election just a different name. If thats the case then hunt should still be mayor if none ofit matters.

Mike will never come clean about it all because he knows people will look the other way on the issue for him. As long as problems like this persist in cc the city will go nowhere. All this talk about cleaning up the city government must be just talk.
Actually Pam as city clerk at the time had the right to attempt to verify residency of any government official. So I dont believe they could do much about stalking. She may have been behind on the maps but some things she was trying to get right but no one would sign an aidavit because they are sscared of mike and his son.
oh i agree

Glasgow, KY

#15 Sep 2, 2012
i agree mr gramms

maybe the next court ruleing will remove 1 or 2 of the council member's

the thing about proving where someone live's can be proving before the election not after court paper's have been filed then running and move some where else
oh i agree

Glasgow, KY

#16 Sep 2, 2012
federal law's against this kind of stuff not just state law's
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#17 Sep 2, 2012
oh i agree wrote:
federal law's against this kind of stuff not just state law's
There is plenty of a paper trail about it all. Just a matter of getting court orders to gather the information. You have utilities, mail, internet/phone, etc that if a investigation was done could prove it all. It is a shame that someone would go thru such troble to stay on council and hide their residental address. So what is the motive? I can only assume it has to do with maintaining control over city regulations and laws in order to protet the many rental propertys or investments in the city. Sort of like trying to make sure nothing would interfere with his operations.
mikes friend

Glasgow, KY

#18 Sep 6, 2012
MGrams wrote:
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There is plenty of a paper trail about it all. Just a matter of getting court orders to gather the information. You have utilities, mail, internet/phone, etc that if a investigation was done could prove it all. It is a shame that someone would go thru such troble to stay on council and hide their residental address. So what is the motive? I can only assume it has to do with maintaining control over city regulations and laws in order to protet the many rental propertys or investments in the city. Sort of like trying to make sure nothing would interfere with his operations.
Mgrams, you are so wrong about my mike, He is one of the nicest men in Cave City. He has done more for this little town and the people in it than you would every be able to imagen. Mike is for his little home town where he grew up and the people of this community hold great respect for Mike and his family. Take your trash talk to another location because the people here know the truth about who is the real looser on here.
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#19 Sep 7, 2012
mikes friend wrote:
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Mgrams, you are so wrong about my mike, He is one of the nicest men in Cave City. He has done more for this little town and the people in it than you would every be able to imagen. Mike is for his little home town where he grew up and the people of this community hold great respect for Mike and his family. Take your trash talk to another location because the people here know the truth about who is the real looser on here.
I didnt say he was a bad guy overall but he has lied about his address. As far as where he is from well some of the locals in Montgomery hold a different view of mike from what I have been told. Things you dont know aparently, his son was selling drugs for a long time also, so I dont know who you are trying to fool but you dont have me fooled because I know for fact a few things because I was buying from the son and knew what mike was into for some illegal actions. I guess if mike wants to fool some or all of you that is your problem. The day he gets caught and his son then you can think different. Maybe it will take the feds to do it since the locals are fooled by him and his family. The police also know about when he would buy stolen cars then run them back to alabama to get clear titles for them from what I have heard also. So eventually he will get caught. Let him goto hart county and see if he can get away with it all there like he is in cc.
residence

Glasgow, KY

#20 Sep 7, 2012
i like mike, he is really friendly and pats on everyone. he takes his grandchildren to church.you should let everyone know if he is not the guy we all know. he grew up here where his family all lived. I thank when bob and pam was at city hall they worked together.
MGrams

Waconia, MN

#21 Sep 7, 2012
residence wrote:
i like mike, he is really friendly and pats on everyone. he takes his grandchildren to church.you should let everyone know if he is not the guy we all know. he grew up here where his family all lived. I thank when bob and pam was at city hall they worked together.
He has his dark side just like everyone else...Many criminals,liars, theives, drug addicts, drug dealers go to church but the darkside is one side that only certain people see. Mike and his boy do a great job of hiding it from everyone that it matters to and the ones that know about it dont care. Mike hasnt lived in cc all his life there was a time when he was back in alabama. It just happens to be that montgomery is a city where I lived and worked years ago and was able to ask some folks I know about what they knew about him there. It wasnt good. I was told he burned a house with a renter in it because the renter wouldnt move out. I do know there are some old police records on file there but not worth my time to get them. Maybe when my wie visits montgomery next month I will have her get a copy of the public record.

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