Where and who is Charles Norton?????

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wondering mind

Glasgow, KY

#1 Mar 9, 2012
Does any one know Charles Norton? The big bald guy that worked for Richard Terry and Craig Mutter. I was wondering if he is ok and if he was still around????

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#2 Mar 10, 2012
wondering mind wrote:
Does any one know Charles Norton? The big bald guy that worked for Richard Terry and Craig Mutter. I was wondering if he is ok and if he was still around????
Yeah I know Charles. Real well. What do you want to know?

Since: May 11

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#3 Mar 10, 2012
did you post in the Glasgow forum too? If so, I think I know who you are and we are proly looking for the same answers. Give me a call..if you are who I think you are then you already have my number...
wondering mind

Glasgow, KY

#4 Mar 10, 2012
Yes I posted in glasgows too but no I dont know you or have your number.I would like to talk sounds like I am not alone. I have many questions.My name is Gloria Moore I am from Canmer Charles lived with me in Munfordville when he was released from Prison.He left me in Sept 2011 took all my money alot of my things. Send me an email and figure out when to talk. Thank You

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#5 Mar 10, 2012
wondering mind wrote:
Yes I posted in glasgows too but no I dont know you or have your number.I would like to talk sounds like I am not alone. I have many questions.My name is Gloria Moore I am from Canmer Charles lived with me in Munfordville when he was released from Prison.He left me in Sept 2011 took all my money alot of my things. Send me an email and figure out when to talk. Thank You
OMG Listen, I cant e-mail you because I dont you dont have an account on here. We definitely need to talk. Like right now, its incredibly important that i speak with you... look, if you send me a message here on topix with your number i can call you right now. He robbed me too. And others. Please message me!

Since: May 11

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#6 Mar 10, 2012
I met him in September btw.. thats when we started talking. I know about you, kind of anyways. He started staying with me in October. Please message me.
Rex

Cameron, NC

#8 Jun 4, 2012
I just came across this forum. I could probably enlighten you about this man. I have been shocked and dismayed to learn some of the recent news regarding Norton.

Norton and I were roommates in an orphanage in North Carolina in our youth. Even then he had an extraordinarily difficult time with the truth. It would be an interesting case study... how does a young teenager begin with exaggeration and tall tales and morph into a hardened criminal and con man?

I watched him develop into this over the years, but I'm shocked and dismayed. Even when we lived at the orphanage, myself and others were unsure of his real name. He called himself Chris Norton. Eventually another boy from his hometown of Sanford, NC came to live at the orphanage and called him "Charlie." We just called him Norton. I saw a news report that said he used the aliases Caleb and Devin, the names of his sons. I last saw Norton when he left Caleb's mother to run off with Devin's mother. Devin's mother was a successful business woman, but I believe Norton changed all of that. I had been wondering what became of him. Did he get himself back on track and build a life with Devin's mother? Had he learned from past mistakes? You always want to see students leave the orphanage and do well. I was shocked to discover multiple arrests, bank robbery, theft, stealing cars, etc. I had no idea his life had come off the tracks to this extent. It's tragic on so many levels. I feel for the various victims left in his path. It blows my mind to read these news reports and recall laying in a dorm in an orphanage at night as teens talking about girls we liked, music, cars and basketball. Norton has always been obsessed with cars and they seem to get him in trouble. Suppose I'll close for now. Please let me know if I can help you find better understanding, if such a thing is achievable in this matter.
Wondering Mind

Glasgow, KY

#9 Jun 5, 2012
Rex wrote:
I just came across this forum. I could probably enlighten you about this man. I have been shocked and dismayed to learn some of the recent news regarding Norton.
Norton and I were roommates in an orphanage in North Carolina in our youth. Even then he had an extraordinarily difficult time with the truth. It would be an interesting case study... how does a young teenager begin with exaggeration and tall tales and morph into a hardened criminal and con man?
I watched him develop into this over the years, but I'm shocked and dismayed. Even when we lived at the orphanage, myself and others were unsure of his real name. He called himself Chris Norton. Eventually another boy from his hometown of Sanford, NC came to live at the orphanage and called him "Charlie." We just called him Norton. I saw a news report that said he used the aliases Caleb and Devin, the names of his sons. I last saw Norton when he left Caleb's mother to run off with Devin's mother. Devin's mother was a successful business woman, but I believe Norton changed all of that. I had been wondering what became of him. Did he get himself back on track and build a life with Devin's mother? Had he learned from past mistakes? You always want to see students leave the orphanage and do well. I was shocked to discover multiple arrests, bank robbery, theft, stealing cars, etc. I had no idea his life had come off the tracks to this extent. It's tragic on so many levels. I feel for the various victims left in his path. It blows my mind to read these news reports and recall laying in a dorm in an orphanage at night as teens talking about girls we liked, music, cars and basketball. Norton has always been obsessed with cars and they seem to get him in trouble. Suppose I'll close for now. Please let me know if I can help you find better understanding, if such a thing is achievable in this matter.
My name is Gloria Moore, I have heard Charles speak of you.I was with Charels for almost 2 years and would have never thought any of this would be the way it is. I honestly don't believe I will ever understand any of it.The Charles Norton I knew had his faults and I knew of some of his past but I accepted that and I loved him.He gave me hope and new meaning to a relationship that I felt I would never have again.Only now do I know all of his part was nothing but a plan and lies.I am still trying to deal and accept the difference in what was real and what was not.I can't turn my feelings off and I can not hate anyone.Charles recently told me he needs help and her wants help.(mentally) I wish I could find out how to do that for him.Everything Charles done wrong, he should have to accept responcability for but not only jail time I would like to see him get the help to be the good man that I feel I know he can be.I would also like to ask if you woulkd know if both of Charles sons are living and why was he raised in an orphanage?. Thanks again Rex you have helpeds.

Since: May 11

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#10 Jun 5, 2012
Well Rex, I know who you are as well.. You will find that both Gloria and I are Charles's ex girlfriends..although I knew him by the name Devin O'neal. I was with Charles for about 8 months. Interestingly enough, Gloria and I discovered that while the topic itself of the lies he told us may have been the same, the details were generally different. He lied about everything, all the time. But I give him credit for being good at lying. I never suspected he was simply making up things as he went along. I would have to assume that he did NOT in fact make a good life with Devin's mother, as again, both me and Gloria are the most recent ex's. I'm glad that Gloria can still wish he recieves the help he needs, I cannot find it in me to wish that same goodness upon him. Besides, let's be realistic. If he hasn't gotten the help yet, what's the chances that he will at this age? Not to mention the fact that after this latest run of criminal activity, he's going to be in prison for quite some time. As for the mother of his children, I dont know anything about that. He told me that one of his son's mothers had died. He told me he had divorced the other one when he caught her cheating on him, and then she had left his kids with her mother and ran off to Vegas to be a stripper. Whether that's true or not, i dont know because everything he ever said was a lie. I mean everything. From the people he knew to the work he did to the schools he went to, to his parents, I mean EVERYTHING. Essentially, his entire life was a hoax, a sham. It would seem at this point the only thing he did NOT lie to me about was growing up in the orphanage, which he talked about very often. Everyday he mentioned it at least once. He had very fond memories of his life there, and of the people he had known then. What I WILL say about him, is that despite his criminality, he was in general a very gentle man. He was just a nice guy, all the way up till he did what he did to me. I have come to accept the fact that I will never know or understand why he did what he did to my family, and Im okay with that. Seeing him arrested was closure enough for me, and my life has moved on just fine without him. I am not seeking closure for myself, because Ive had that, but if anything I can say or do can help someone else deal with this, then I'm happy to do what I can.
Rex

Cameron, NC

#11 Jun 5, 2012
Dear Gloria and Kitten,
Thank you for writing ladies. I hope that I can help you find some understanding, closure, or just satisfy any curiosity you may have. I will probably have to post a couple of times due to the word limit placed upon each post. I guess I'll start at the beginning.
I'm not surprised that Norton spoke highly of the Orphanage. It was the best childhood home imaginable for many of us. It holds a special place for those who called it home. If you wish to understand the sort of circumstances that can lead someone to call the place home, I invite you to Google, "The Homeless Man's Journal." It is a screenplay inspired by my own life experience. You will see the names Norton and Rex as characters. Please understand that I just use the names of people I know or knew at certain times. The Norton character is actually based on another friend from the orphanage, if anyone. I just used the name. I enjoy writing, even used to write stories in notebooks when Norton and I were roommates back at O.O. We often refer to Oxford Orphanage affectionately as O.O. Today the home is known as the Masonic Home For Children at Oxford.
I can't say for sure why Norton was there. I remember the day he arrived because I was instructed to give him a tour and show him the ropes. I think the first thing he ever told me was a lie. We were both probably about 14, almost 15 when Norton came to O.O. He explained to me that his father was wealthy, but was in an iron lung and had little time to live. Norton said he would only be at the home until his father died. Indeed I thought the story sounded a bit out there, but thought little of it. In time, Norton and I became friends and roommates. We built friendships with other boys. Most of our free time playing basketball or walking to the movies. We would sometimes climb atop the buildings of downtown Oxford, a game we called Town Tag. Sometimes we went riding around with "uptown kids," students from the public school who had parents. Norton probably told you many of these stories, but likely embellished all of them.
We first became aware of Norton's propensity to stretch the truth through tales about his uncle's truck. He would tell us about his uncle's Dodge Power Wagon. Amazingly, his uncle only visited when the rest of us weren't around.
He once told a story about driving a Camaro full of uptown girls down a rural highway. He said he was speeding and hitting mailboxes and was eventually pulled over by the police. He claimed to have told the officer that the brakes didn't work. "When he got in, they really didn't work," Norton said. These tall tales became so common that we gave them names. I tagged the above story, "Stovall Run" after the name of the community he claimed to be speeding through. Norton earned a lesser nickname, Father Goose because of the stories. We laughed a lot and had fun as students at the orphanage. It was a hopeful time. Even so, Norton and I had a few minor scraps because of his antics. During our orphanage years Norton's lies were mostly harmless... just tall tales and exaggerated experiences. He never did anything malicious to hurt anyone. However, that would change in the coming years.
I went off to Basic Training after my Freshman year of college. I called the orphanage from the airport in Raleigh upon my return. Norton was the person I reached. He was working there as a supply counselor, someone who watched a cottage while the full-time counselors were off. Immediately Norton declared, "Rex man, I've got a brand new Mustang 5.0!" I said, "good, come get me in it." Norton and one of my classmates, Elliot arrived in Norton's gold Chevy S-10 pickup. It was nice to know that the more things changed, the more they stayed the same.
Norton and I hung out as I got back into the swing of things. We met a couple of girls and began double dating often.(I'll continue in the next post.)
Rex

Cameron, NC

#12 Jun 5, 2012
I was awaiting some bonus money from the military so I could purchase a car, among other things. Norton often gave me rides to places. One evening he dropped me off where I lived in the country. He was supposed to return the next day to take me to the bank. Instead, he didn't show up for 4 days. By the time he showed up, I had run out of food and hadn't eaten in 21 hours. Norton told me that he just happened to be driving in Durham and the girls we were seeing pulled up next to him at a stop light. He said my girl wanted me to give her a call. I eventually did and she broke up with me. I would find out later that Norton was seeing her behind my back during the four days he left me at my residence. That ruined our friendship, to say the least. I eventually returned to Gardner-Webb University (I'm sure you've heard of that place in Kentucky). A year or two later I was told that Norton had gone to test drive a car from a local dealership. He then drove to the mountains with it to visit another "orphan" who was attending Appalachian State. He essentially hid there. He told people everything from he was a helicopter pilot to he had a basketball scholarship at Dook (sorry, have to spell it that way as I'm a Tar Heels fan.) Eventually he was arrested. The next thing I heard he was basically forced to join the military. Several years later, I get a call at GWU and it is Norton saying he's back from Korea and is coming to visit. He visited me a few times at school over the course of that year. I spoke with him near the end of the school year and he was abruptly getting married and had a child on the way. He apparently met his first wife out riding around as if he were still in high school. She got pregnant and they got married and moved to Garner, NC. I eventually got a job working at the same place as Norton. Things got interesting.

I have a small grey scar on my forehead. It is difficult to see as I've gotten older. I received it when my mother cut me with a pencil as a child.

One day at work a man sits near my desk and asks if he can asks me a question. He wanted to know how I got the scar. I told him. Apparently Norton told the man that I received the scar after he beat the crap out of me at the orphanage.

It is late so I will close for now and continue tomorrow. A couple things quickly. I have not heard of either of Norton's former wives being dead. I highly doubt either became a stripper. Not to be mean, but they weren't exactly the material for such an endeavor. Thanks for your time ladies. I'll write more tomorrow.

Since: May 11

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#13 Jun 5, 2012
I have to say that I do find your accounts interesting.. it reminded me that he once told me he had a home in North Carolina that was quite isolated and in the country. I never heard the helicopter pilot story, or the basketball story, but he DID tell me he had once played college football for Florida. He never acted terribly interested in basketball, but always seemed perfectly in love with football. Once, he taught my little boy how to shoot baskets, and I remember thinking how remarkable it was that he did it so well- since he always told me he had only ever played football. He often talked about a football team he played for at the orphanage... he also talked alot about various fights that he took part in between what he called the orphans and the townies. He mentioned once that he would like to attend Homecoming there, but then never brought it up again. As for the military... he told me that he had been in the service for MANY years and was a veteran. Said he had been a sniper for the special forces. I should also mention Rex, that I am the girl you contacted via facebook the other day, although I did not respond, but Im guessing you may have figured that out by my screen name here... It would seem that in recent years Charles has taken his interest in multiple women to whole new levels, as I learned the hard way. It was only after he left, with pretty much anything of value I ever owned- including my son's valuables and college savings, and emptied my bank account with the card he stole from my wallet, that I began to learn about his true history. And even that is hard to decipher when mixed with his stories. He told me he went to the orphanage when he was 10 years old, after his very abusive father shot and killed his mother then killed himself. However, I have since learned that he has a sister and a few nieces and nephews, and that his mother is alive and well. Assuming, of course, that the name he gave me as his mother is actually his mother and not an aunt or other relation. But, if that much was correct, then she is alive, and his father passed away several years ago- but certainly not when he was 10, so I have yet to find out why he was in the orphanage and his sister was not. Honestly, up until you contacted me on facebook, I was beginning to doubt even that much of his story was true. It certainly gets stranger by the day...
Rex

Overland Park, KS

#14 Jun 6, 2012
I'm at work so I'll be brief. Norton was older than 10 when he arrived at the orphanage. I met his mother and sister in the late 90's. He played basketball with me all the time at the orphanage. He never played football anywhere. The orphanage hasn't had a football team in decades. Soccer was the sport that replaced football while we were there. He was never a sniper. I'm very sorry for the way he turned your life upside down. I'll write more later. Back to work for now.
Rex

Cameron, NC

#15 Jun 6, 2012
I realize that I must be cautious with what I write. It seems that Norton had many victims and I have to do what I can to protect their dignity. I should probably also be careful about revealing too much personal information on a public forum.

I'm sure Norton embellished the stories a bit, but orphanage kids did get into some tussles with uptown kids from time to time. We weren't violent by any means. The trouble usually began with uptown kids -- we didn't call them townies -- saying things like, "y'all ain't got no mama," or garbage like that. Sometimes uptown boys would think orphanage girls would be an easy "score," if you will, and would come on campus starting trouble. We handled business. One uptown boy asked me why orphanage kids fought so hard. I told him what I knew. If a kid is getting beaten by a father who is over six and a half feet tall, with everything from his hands to a dog leash; why would that kid worry about another boy at school? We fought like cats and dogs amongst ourselves, but if you fought one orphan you fought them all.

Now let me see if I can share more without hurting myself or anyone else. If you would like more detail, perhaps write to shaynewrites on that site that begins with the letter Y. Kitten, I had no malicious intent in writing you on FB. I wasn't 100 percent sure I had reached the right person. When you didn't respond I figured you were either someone different, or simply wanted to move on and not hear what I had to say. I created that FB page hastily to contact you.

Norton and I worked together at an underground utility construction company. I did QC. Norton was a mechanic who handled fixing the big trucks and tractors, etc. I believe that is what he did in the military. He was not a special forces sniper. Sadly, he learned a trade and wasted it.

There was a subcontractor for the company whose last name was O'neal. I spoke with her often as I inspected her companies jobs. Apparently Norton began seeing this woman behind his wife's back. When his wife learned of the affair, Norton actually tried to say that I was seeing the woman and he was helping to cover for me, fearing I would lose my job due to conflict of interest. Norton left his wife and little boy for the O'neal woman. I would learn from a recent media report that Norton used his first son's name as an alias.

The O'neal woman became pregnant and Norton began running her company while she took care of herself. I recall Norton buying a huge Ford Excursion Limited. It was like a school bus with leather interior. I didn't understand it. I would later learn that he had run her company into the ground. That was the last I heard of Norton. Me and another orphanage friend will often talk of our time there. We wonder about the people we knew. Norton obviously had his issues, but I wondered if he pulled it together or if he just fell apart. I pictured him alone, living in poverty or something, still telling stories about his exploits. I never imagined what I would find. I was shocked to learn of his actions. I couldn't believe I was reading about him robbing a bank and being wanted in multiple states. I felt badly for the lives, like yours, that have been torn asunder. It seems his lying just went to a new level.
Rex

Cameron, NC

#16 Jun 6, 2012
I hope that I've been of some help to you ladies. Please feel free to contact me through this forum or via email with any questions you may have. I'm more than happy to share. I admire your kindness, Gloria, but Norton knew what he was doing. Whatever mental issues he has, he knows the difference between right and wrong. As you mentioned Kitten, any cry for help is probably about to be rendered moot. After a childhood spent at a wonderful institution, Norton is likely going to spend many of his later years at an entirely different institution.

I would love to hear more of your stories, but respect your privacy and will understand if you choose not to share. I can't imagine what you have been through. I'm still shocked to learn of all the places Norton has been. I don't even know how he ended up in Kentucky or traveling near Nashville. It's a bit ironic, I lived in Nashville in my youth, just prior to going to the orphanage in fact. Please let me know if I can do anything for you. I hope that one day you will get through this ordeal and feel whole again. I hope that joy and happiness will replace anger and bitterness. May hope replace destitution. I am truly sorry this has befallen you.

A poster hung on the wall of a cottage at the orphanage. It was a picture of a man skiing and read, "success consists of getting up one more time than you fall." Keep getting up ladies.
someone else

Cave City, KY

#17 Jun 7, 2012
I also knew Charles or as he introduced himself to me, "Devin Oneal", I met him in the beginning of the year before he ran off, you know he robbed a liquor store in Tennessee, well anyways he told me he had two kids in north Carolina, said he left them there because they had a good mom and he was in munfordville for work purposes, he also told me he was recently released from prison for robbing several banks and after that I ignored his calls he creeped me out , I dont know just something about him and then I seen him on Louisville's most wanted! So I am so glad i listened to my gut instinct, I have not heard from him since and hope I dont, by the way he came around two or three times and was trying to date me and he never mentioned a girlfriend at all so........
Rex

Cameron, NC

#18 Jun 8, 2012
Thanks for sharing, someone else. I am astonished by what became of this guy. I did not know he robbed a liquor store. I read that he had robbed one bank. I hate that he caused so much grief for so many people, in some cases destroying lives. You have good instincts, someone else.

Since: May 11

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#19 Jun 8, 2012
He only ever robbed one bank, it was in a little town outside of Taylorsville Ky, and he didnt make it very far after he robbed them. That's what his most recent prison stay was for... However, Charles has a knack it seems for enlarging and exaggerating upon his criminal history. Also, if he ever robbed a liquor store in TN, I either never heard about that, or the TN officials are still unaware that it was him who did it. I CAN tell you that he was never charged with robbing a TN liquor store. Most of his criminal past is for stealing cars, or recieving stolen property. His recent charges are theft by unlawful taking, which is a fancy way of saying he robbed a couple houses he had keys to. He told ME that he was a member of a motorcycle club and rode a harley..even offered to take me for a ride the first time we met.. not surprisingly, he didn't even OWN a bike, much less belong to any club. Point of the story being, if you have ever ran into Charles Norton or Devin O'Neal, chances are he lied through his teeth and you never heard anything that contained any amount of truth. His lies far surpassed white lies or tall tales. He's insane. Period. He would actually have supposed phone conversations on his cell with people, I mean full fledged realistic convos- except that he was talking to people who don't, and never have, existed. Someone explain how THAT works.
Rex

Cameron, NC

#20 Jun 8, 2012
Phone conversations with people who don't exist? Really? Wow. Your mention about the Harley and him offering to take you for a ride certainly sounds like Norton. I previously mentioned when he told me he had a Mustang and showed up in a small pickup. I recall sitting at a basketball game with Norton as he boasted to a couple of girls about a Mustang he didn't have. The girls kept asking him to take them for a ride, but Norton told them the car was at an ex-girlfriend's house. He told them that he didn't really like driving the car. I had to call crap on that one. I asked him what sense it made to spend a ton of money on a car you don't like to drive.

I'm also reminded of another situation. A family from a neighboring town had taken Norton under their wing. They would often take him home with them on weekends. Norton began dating their daughter. The family helped him after graduation, but he clearly burned that bridge in no time. I once came across a letter the girl had written Norton. It was evident that he told this young lady he owned a Nissan 300ZX sports car. She kept asking when he was going to bring it and show it to her. Who claims to own a car like that while residing in an orphanage?

You are right Kitten... he likely enhanced his criminal activities, just as he had everything else in his life.

I feel badly for all of you. I hate that you've lost so many material things, but just as tragic are the shattered pieces of you that he left behind. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you to trust now and going forward.

Since: May 11

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#21 Jun 9, 2012
Well, honestly Rex..as cold as it may sound, I miss my jewelry more than I miss him. Any semblance of feeling I had towards him evaporated when he took everything I had. Regardless of who or what Norton may have been as a child- he is a heartless, empty, cold soul now. Better I found out now than years down the road. And anyways, going through what I did when he left opened a door for me that I hadn't seen before..and one that has been beautiful. The universe works in strange ways... we are ok :)

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