Not building Red Line would continue ...

Not building Red Line would continue sad status quo

There are 36 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Dec 15, 2008, titled Not building Red Line would continue sad status quo. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

For decades, the main transportation corridor through West Baltimore has been six-lane U.S. 40, known for much of its length as Edmondson Avenue.

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Towson, MD

#1 Dec 15, 2008
this man talks about howard county commuters, but the red line only stops in the east at bay view. this line should continue east out past white marsh. in case one has not seen the traffic there in the morning, we do not need another hopkins buying out the system like thew subway to nowhere.

Bel Air, MD

#2 Dec 15, 2008
In the grand plan of the baltimore commuter rail plan, the green line would be the corridor extended to white marsh with the northeast most station dedicated to I-95 commuters coming from the north. The Redline beyond bayview is designed to take a hard right and go down to essex/dundalk. Stopping at bayview at least offers some access to 895 and a connection with the MARC service.
And this line would surely benefit Howard County commuters as they could take I70 to the western station around Security Square and commute into the city. Saving money and driving time for sure.

United States

#3 Dec 15, 2008

Most residents prefer tunnel alternatives vs. No Build. But will go No Build if it's on the surface.

If the Red Line is built on the surface, it not going to have fewer trucks on it! The residents are correct in that most would lose some of their front yards or possibly stoops, because Edmondson Ave would have to be widened.

United States

#4 Dec 15, 2008
Who cares what the residents of West Baltimore think. Those neighborhoods contribute nothing to this city but crime and illegitimate children. Maybe if we paid more attention to what productive citizens think the city would be better off.

Bethpage, NY

#5 Dec 15, 2008
I wish they were building the red line in my neighborhood, I live in northeast baltimore. The advantage of being able to go downtown via one train would be a luxury. The home values would increase as people start realizing the benefit. The conviences of having a mass transit line in the neighborhood, is a luxury it really is...


Since: Dec 08


#6 Dec 15, 2008
Build it!

Manassas, VA

#7 Dec 15, 2008
Not only build it, build it along US 40 to Turf Valley on the west and to White Marsh (or farther) on the east. A viable rapid transit link to Harford Co would probably have eliminated the need for the new I-95/I-695 interchange.
Why does the Red Line go to Security Blvd when Security Blvd doesn't go anywhere to the west? Why not out US 40?
Michael: a map or a link to a map would have been very helpful.

Baltimore, MD

#8 Dec 15, 2008
Sad that West Baltimore stopped the building of extension Interstate I-70 in the 80's. If that extension was built, it would have provided a route for the Red Line. Now, we have dilapidated housing and gross crime instead.
happy johnny

Baltimore, MD

#9 Dec 15, 2008
It is a great idea. With all of the upcoming infrastructure money pending from the Obama administration, why not extend the line all the way to Harford county. This would help lessen the am and pm I95 madness. North, south and west Baltimore are serviced by efficient rail lines. Hopefully, the east side of town will receive some attention also.

Baltimore, MD

#10 Dec 15, 2008
The lack of any kind of legitimate comeback to this article by the community will be indicative that the Red Line opponents in West Baltimore have taken note. I personally would find it refreshing to see some kind of collective community response but, only if it is reasonably legitimate and not one based in hearsay and fear. I agree with Dresser that the suspicions caused by the urban legends in West Baltimore are distorting the facts, but the No-Build preference there is a reflection of the hopelessness, fear and mistrust that already existed well before the Red Line. And that fear and suspicion is real because the past is real, especially when those raw memories of the Road-to-Nowhere’s impact to your families’ lives are all you have. There are hundreds of West Baltimores throughout the country. Though well written, I thought Dresser should have also focused upon the fact that the "hope" he focuses on needs to be built. Hope at the grass roots level won’t happen with the selection of a locally preferred alternative, power broker unity rallies, nor elected official photo ops, but through setting examples gradually. Like putting the Mayor’s Red Line Community Compact to work and through sound improvements to MTA operations and customer service where people can see realize them now.

Baltimore, MD

#11 Dec 15, 2008
ichy wrote:
Who cares what the residents of West Baltimore think. Those neighborhoods contribute nothing to this city but crime and illegitimate children. Maybe if we paid more attention to what productive citizens think the city would be better off.
Your comment doesn’t deserve a reply, but I will post this here because it is relevant. The residents along this proposed Red-Line have plenty to be concerned about. Just imagine someone building a railway down the middle of the street you live on if you need an idea of how it might feel. I see the benefits of having the Red Line, but there is plenty for the affected residents to be concerned about. I lived in a community along the route of the Metro-subway when it was being built. This discussion brings back memories of homes all along the route for the Metro-subway damaged by the construction, the increase in rat population, and the years of disruption to peoples’ lives. Transit vehicles are now routed through what were once quiet city streets in the effort to feed vehicles to the Metro-subway stations. The city dismissed much of the damage they caused to people’s property from the continuous blasting to create the tunnels by saying it was not their fault. Those homeowners and residents paid a hefty price to benefit people like you who merely wish to pass easily through their communities. So to answer your question, I care.

Bel Air, MD

#12 Dec 15, 2008
happy johnny wrote:
It is a great idea. With all of the upcoming infrastructure money pending from the Obama administration, why not extend the line all the way to Harford county. This would help lessen the am and pm I95 madness. North, south and west Baltimore are serviced by efficient rail lines. Hopefully, the east side of town will receive some attention also.
Problem is the projects would still have to pass the federal guidelines for funding that look at cost and benefit. If Baltimore County would develop the I95/US 40 corridor between the Gunpowders then a rail line may be a better alternative, but with that 3 mile break in the development between Perry Hall/Whitemarsh and Joppa/Joppatown, the feds would never approve any type of new rail construction to Harford County. Plus, Obama's money is to be prioritized to projects that are shovel ready. If we started making major changes to the Red line beyond its existing boundaries and alternatives, it likely would not quialify for funding because the construction would not occur for many years in the future. Check this out -

its the link to the baltiore regional rail plan as adopted in 2002. Its far fetched, but it shows the eventual red line going to Dundalk, the Green line being the RT 1 corridor to Whitemarsh, and an extension of the yellow (current light rail) line from BWI toward columbia.
Ray Ray

Dundalk, MD

#13 Dec 15, 2008
I would like you help with a problem on Reisterstown Road and Painters Mill Lane. There is a noting a steel plate on reisterstown Road just before the intersection. This sign has been there so long that it is tattered and for the most part you cannot read it. I know what the sign sys since i have been traveling this road for years and the sign has been there for years. Could something be done about this problem since it seems that whoever placed the steel plate there thinks that it is now part of the road now
Total Waste

Baltimore, MD

#14 Dec 15, 2008
We don't want Red Line because while it may benefit some, it will negatively impact those houses adjacent and on Red Line. Imagine property values of homes that have all parking removed as some alternative propose? Pay people for the decreased property values and we'll talk. I live in Fell's Point and pay $10,000 a year property taxes for a 1,900 sq. ft house. Tell me my property value won't drop if a train is running down my street and parking on one or both sides of the street removed so cars and illegal trucks can drive where cars previously parked Pay me for my decreased property value or shut up. The MTA must not be confident all will benefit because I don't see any suggestion that affected citizens will be remibursed for decreased property values. They'll only pa for actual physical losses!
Fells Point Taxes

Baltimore, MD

#15 Dec 15, 2008
Look at the tax base of those that live in the 1600 block of Aliceanna (Fell's Point). That block pays $15,000 -$21,000 A YEAR in property taxes. Our taxes support many other neighborhoods and for that we should not have to be burdened with a train coming down our street. Don't chase your prime tax base back to the county!! It's simple economics - make those that pay for others happy and still more wealth will come in which in turn will further fund and improve the City!
Easy For You To Say

Baltimore, MD

#16 Dec 15, 2008
CEG wrote:
Build it!
In front of YOUR HOME and we'll see how much you support Red Line!
Easy For You To Say

Baltimore, MD

#17 Dec 15, 2008
Mr. Dresser: How much City property taxes do you pay? Is Red Line proposed for in front of your home?? Idiot!

Baldwin, MD

#18 Dec 15, 2008
I live in AA Cty, so my concerns are not as relevant as are those of the Baltimore City folks, but if there's a demand for the Red Line, then build it. Baltimore streets are notorious for being alighnment-killing, tire-eating devils for cars(Broening Hgwy comes to mind). Seems like there is a desire for public transportation, if it is reliable, convenient, and efficient; light-rail and metro-rail, tyically are, buses not so much. I use the light-rail when I can, but it only goes N-S, so an E-W solution would be welcome.

Over-time, I would think it would be the same for Baltimore, but thinking of the DC metro, if you live near a metro-station, your property value increased.

Off-topic, but heck, I say extend the Greenbelt Green Line to BWI airport and extend the New Carrolton Orange Line to Annapolis, from the DC metro. We do that, and we just expanded opportunity and increased mobility for the whole Baltimore-Annapolis-DC-NoVA area.
Dont blame the Road

Cockeysville, MD

#19 Dec 16, 2008
How about all the neighborhoods being blighted! US 40 is part of the solution, not the problem. Blaming a roadway for blight is like blaming Ben Franklin for lightning, they are unrelated. Imagine if they had finished I-70 and I-170, this conversation would be quite different, wouldn't it Dresser.
But to blame the rot of West Baltimore on a road is pathetic. Blame the drug dealers and the people that bring it down.
As for Dixon's idea to "transform" 40 into a "main street". All I can say is: good luck. Where are all those cars going to go? To other surface streets! Now you'll turn neighborhood streets into raceways.
While the Red Line does need to be built, it needs to be placed in it's own alignment. Putting it on the street like Howard Street Light Rail just doesn't work. No commuter will EVER use the Red Line if it's constant stop and go like the Howard Street line. It needs to be high-speed with few stops on the west side for it to have any affect on traffic.
Think about it Dresser...
Finish Interstate 70

Cockeysville, MD

#20 Dec 16, 2008
Spot on! They just drain resources (mostly Police and paramedics and anything that's handed out) and contribute little. We need a super expressway through this neighborhood or a subway with no stops on the West Side. Maybe an El like in Chicago?

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