Fatal shooting at Casselberry gun range

One person is dead, another has been seriously injured in a shooting at a Casselberry gun range. Full Story
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Diogenes

Orlando, FL

#1 Apr 5, 2009
This matches the intellect of the people I now see at the sporting goods counter buying ammunition in our major discount stores. People are afraid of everything from civil war breaking out again to total collapse of our social structure with government take over of the people somewhere in the middle.

Obama is no leader. He is an autocratic who's thoughts were bolstered by the stupid way people voted in this election. He now thinks anything and everything he does is either wanted by the people or, if not, that it is good for them.

We are in deep, deep trouble people. I can't blame people for being afraid and cautious. Those who are not are those who want to live under tyranny possibly for the security it offers.
zak

Orlando, FL

#2 Apr 5, 2009
In the parking lot or inside?
Dumb ARSE

AOL

#3 Apr 5, 2009
Anyone know the names of the victims?
Extreme leftists

De Leon Springs, FL

#4 Apr 5, 2009
Did this for "the O`bama" agenda.
Barrack Obama

United States

#5 Apr 5, 2009
Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.
Sentinel Reader

Orlando, FL

#7 Apr 5, 2009
Diogenes wrote:
This matches the intellect of the people I now see at the sporting goods counter buying ammunition in our major discount stores. People are afraid of everything from civil war breaking out again to total collapse of our social structure with government take over of the people somewhere in the middle.

We are in deep, deep trouble people. I can't blame people for being afraid and cautious. Those who are not are those who want to live under tyranny possibly for the security it offers.
WTF are you talking about. In your first paragraph you say, "this matches the intellect of the people I now see at the sporting good counters buying ammunition...."
What intellect are you talking about ?
Then in your next paragraph you babble about we should be cautious ect ect...
You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
As for the "intellect" of the people who own and are skilled, capable and ready to defend themselves, count me in. My wife and I both hold MBAs. My bother is a plumber and he too is armed.

Since: Feb 09

Christmas, FL

#8 Apr 5, 2009
Bad news for us gun owners. This will have people calling for gun ban. The guy who owns Shoot Straight is a hardworking good person.

Since: Oct 08

Orlando

#9 Apr 5, 2009
Diogenes wrote:
This matches the intellect of the people I now see at the sporting goods counter buying ammunition in our major discount stores. People are afraid of everything from civil war breaking out again to total collapse of our social structure with government take over of the people somewhere in the middle.
Obama is no leader. He is an autocratic who's thoughts were bolstered by the stupid way people voted in this election. He now thinks anything and everything he does is either wanted by the people or, if not, that it is good for them.
We are in deep, deep trouble people. I can't blame people for being afraid and cautious. Those who are not are those who want to live under tyranny possibly for the security it offers.
Sounds like 2 less people who didn't vote for Obama. So what did your post have to do with the dead people?
FarRightWing

Osteen, FL

#10 Apr 5, 2009
This was no more than likely a murder suicide.The fact that it happened at a gun range is the reason the other person had no clue.Hey honey let me teach you to shoot a gun or maybe they were both shooters and this was well planned out.Either way, it was no the fault of shoot straight or any other person except for the person who planned it.
Sister Mary Grace

Orlando, FL

#11 Apr 5, 2009
Suicide/Murder or Double-suicide.

Not unheard of at places like this.

( Personal knowledge here )
FL Law Student

United States

#12 Apr 5, 2009
Hopie Changie wrote:
Bad news for us gun owners. This will have people calling for gun ban. The guy who owns Shoot Straight is a hardworking good person.
I concur. People and incidents like this create the very reality and legislation they fear. The more senseless shootings that occur, the more politicians will focus their attentions upon limiting gun rights.

The people who are buying bulk ammunition in contemplation of an Apocalypse and/or State-action to seize their guns are in many cases unstable and prone to irrational fears. I own several handguns, rifles, and shotguns -- I no longer own any "black rifles" because I used them so little -- and I'm amazed at the fear-based mentality of some segments of the so-called gun culture. It isn't based in reality and seems almost tailor-made to sell firearms to the dim-witted. Unemployment is at an all tome high, yet people MUST own assault rifes (yes, I'm aware it's an imprecise term and is essentially meaningless).

If people continue to view the world through such a paradigm and continue to mow down police officers with high (or low) capacity firearms, we'll definitely see new firearms laws enacted.

I'm a staunch supporter of firearms rights, but just as some people should not drive, some people clearly must be deprived of firearms due to their mental instability and criminal history. The issue in play, though, is the NRA and gun owners often see any attempt to legislate firearm's ownership as a declaration of war on their rights. This is a false dichotomy and needs rational solutions, not "all or nothing" mindsets.
FL Law Student

United States

#13 Apr 5, 2009
Diogenes wrote:
This matches the intellect of the people I now see at the sporting goods counter buying ammunition in our major discount stores. People are afraid of everything from civil war breaking out again to total collapse of our social structure with government take over of the people somewhere in the middle.
Obama is no leader. He is an autocratic who's thoughts were bolstered by the stupid way people voted in this election. He now thinks anything and everything he does is either wanted by the people or, if not, that it is good for them.
We are in deep, deep trouble people. I can't blame people for being afraid and cautious. Those who are not are those who want to live under tyranny possibly for the security it offers.
This is an example of a circuitous argument. It is not logical and appeals to fear-based emotions rather than making a logical argument.
FL Law Student

United States

#14 Apr 5, 2009
FarRightWing wrote:
This was no more than likely a murder suicide.The fact that it happened at a gun range is the reason the other person had no clue.Hey honey let me teach you to shoot a gun or maybe they were both shooters and this was well planned out.Either way, it was no the fault of shoot straight or any other person except for the person who planned it.
In 10 years of law enforcement, I never saw a murder-suicide with dual head-shots. It's not impossible, but it is highly improbable. The article appears to allude to intervention by a third party who is the likely aggressor. Moreover, murder-suicides generally occur in private where they stand less chance of being interrupted. Again, it's not impossible, just improbable.
FL Law Student

United States

#15 Apr 5, 2009
Madame Delphi wrote:
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Sounds like 2 less people who didn't vote for Obama. So what did your post have to do with the dead people?
Hello, Madam. I see your wit remains razor-sharp.
FL Law Student

United States

#18 Apr 5, 2009
Diogenes wrote:
This matches the intellect of the people I now see at the sporting goods counter buying ammunition in our major discount stores. People are afraid of everything from civil war breaking out again to total collapse of our social structure with government take over of the people somewhere in the middle.
Obama is no leader. He is an autocratic who's thoughts were bolstered by the stupid way people voted in this election. He now thinks anything and everything he does is either wanted by the people or, if not, that it is good for them.
We are in deep, deep trouble people. I can't blame people for being afraid and cautious. Those who are not are those who want to live under tyranny possibly for the security it offers.
Please define leader" and why you believe Obama is an "autocrat."

Insofar as being in deep trouble, are you asserting Obama caused these issues? If so, how? And if you disagree with his solutions, what are yours?

I fail to see anything other than a tenuous relationship between your assertions and gun rights. Obama has not legislated firearms and SCOTUS has ruled their is a reasonable right to bear arms. This doesn't mean you can hitch your artillery piece to your Urban Assault Vehicle and go hunting liberals at the local immigration office or buy an APC for highway travel, but the current administration has bigger issues to confront than legislating firearm's rights.

However, if enough of these incidents and the recent police office shootings continue, the people who fear their guns will be taken away will elicit a self-fulfilling prophesy.

There is no coming Armageddon or Zombie Uprising. Nor are there any black helicopters circling overhead. These are but the fevered dreams of conspiracy theorists who would otherwise be banished to meeting in the tinfoil aisle of their local supermarkets were it not for the Internet allowing them to send paranoid e-mails and post on furms such as this one.
Democrats Have No Brains

Winter Springs, FL

#19 Apr 5, 2009
The sad thing is that the anti-gun nut balls will blow on the embers of this fire in hopes of stirring up a forest fire of demand for more legislation when we cannot even get our courts to enforce existing laws on the books. Listen, if two people are intent on killing one another, they'll use knives, baseball bats, a car, poison, fire, a bomb, a shove off the balcony [ sound familiar ] or whatever is at hand. I just hate it that these idiots picked a firing range so as to poison the already kook infested anti - gun nut balls any more against all guns as if these inanimate objects - guns - had minds and motives and ability to jump up and fire themselves. We've got to cure minds not outlaw guns.
west

United States

#20 Apr 5, 2009
When shots rang out everybody went running for cover? I guess because no one in the store was armed.
Shoot to Thrill

Satellite Beach, FL

#21 Apr 5, 2009
Guns are on the other end of a person's frustrating life. Unfortunately, I can see a day when they will be banned.
As for this particular target range, in the 37 years I have lived in Florida, this is the first time I have ever heard of anything happening there, and I know they were in business when I came here to live.
London

United States

#23 Apr 5, 2009
FL Law Student wrote:
<quoted text>
Please define leader" and why you believe Obama is an "autocrat."
Insofar as being in deep trouble, are you asserting Obama caused these issues? If so, how? And if you disagree with his solutions, what are yours?
I fail to see anything other than a tenuous relationship between your assertions and gun rights. Obama has not legislated firearms and SCOTUS has ruled their is a reasonable right to bear arms. This doesn't mean you can hitch your artillery piece to your Urban Assault Vehicle and go hunting liberals at the local immigration office or buy an APC for highway travel, but the current administration has bigger issues to confront than legislating firearm's rights.
However, if enough of these incidents and the recent police office shootings continue, the people who fear their guns will be taken away will elicit a self-fulfilling prophesy.
There is no coming Armageddon or Zombie Uprising. Nor are there any black helicopters circling overhead. These are but the fevered dreams of conspiracy theorists who would otherwise be banished to meeting in the tinfoil aisle of their local supermarkets were it not for the Internet allowing them to send paranoid e-mails and post on furms such as this one.
Are you going to law school at FSU or FAMU?

President Obama, in his infinite wisdom, has been systematically taking control of banks, the auto industry, some of the brokerage houses, and now is trying to get control over other businesses. This may not be the actions of an autocrat, but it is certainly NOT the powers of the President the founding fathers intended in the US Constitution, if you believe in such documents.

I find it interesting we must study history in school to learn from our mistakes, but NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD has this type of bail-out program ever worked. NEVER.
FL Law Student

United States

#24 Apr 5, 2009
Democrats Have No Brains wrote:
The sad thing is that the anti-gun nut balls will blow on the embers of this fire in hopes of stirring up a forest fire of demand for more legislation when we cannot even get our courts to enforce existing laws on the books. Listen, if two people are intent on killing one another, they'll use knives, baseball bats, a car, poison, fire, a bomb, a shove off the balcony [ sound familiar ] or whatever is at hand. I just hate it that these idiots picked a firing range so as to poison the already kook infested anti - gun nut balls any more against all guns as if these inanimate objects - guns - had minds and motives and ability to jump up and fire themselves. We've got to cure minds not outlaw guns.
First, your screen name belies your intelligence and coupled with your comments tend reinforce the false belief this is a left v. right issue. I'm registered as an Independent. For two decades before, I was a Republican. I've voted Democratic in the last five elections simply because I've come to see the Republican Party as fear mongers who have essentially used fear to benefit Big Business while simultaneously claiming to be working for the common good.

While i agree that more education is needed in this area, more responsibility and better legislation is needed to keep ALL firearms out of the mentally-unstable and criminal segments of our population.

I concur that these incidents will create greater calls for gun legislation, but in reality, there is likewise a certain segment of the gun culture that the rest of society regards as bogey-men, and these spats of gun violence do nothing but make the public more fearful of ALL gun owners.

Like any other problem, the solution cannot be unilateral and must be multifaceted in order to be effective; otherwise, it will be just as useless and ill-advised as the prior Assault Weapons Ban.

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