Rented gun used in Casselberry murder/suicide; motive still unk...

There are 19 comments on the Apr 6, 2009, Orlando Sentinel story titled Rented gun used in Casselberry murder/suicide; motive still unk.... In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Casselberry Police said this morning they still have no idea why an Altamonte Springs woman shot her son Sunday afternoon and then turned the gun on herself while the two were target practicing.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Orlando Sentinel.

First Prev
of 16
Next Last

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#327 Apr 8, 2009
pending calamity wrote:
<quoted text>
We think this country has a 2 party system with a few independants sprinkled in..
We actually have factions withing the party's themselves.
The Democrats have the liberals, and the Republicans have the Neo Conservative's.
I'd like to correct your thinking briefly...

Liberalism is defined as open mindedness - a rather middle of the road approach.

You're thinking of leftists, not liberals. Leftism can be defined rather simply as anti-conservatism; for no rhyme or reason, just anti-conservative.(Though in fairness, conservatism could be defined simply as anti-progressive.)

Now to the point...

Leftists tend to vote Green, not Democrat. They hate Dems as much as they hate Republicans.

Though this is still oversimplified. In the Democratic party, and to the left of it, you will find progressives, socialists, communists, and all sorts of others. Some nutty, some rather reasonable... I favor the progressive wing myself.

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#328 Apr 8, 2009
GlockG20_10mm wrote:
So you are advocating a police state?
Where the hell do I say anything indicative of that? o.O I think you've lost it now.
GlockG20_10mm wrote:
How about enforcing the current laws on the books?
How about enforcing restriction and searches on convicted felons?
How about enforcing the death penalty when the evidence is clear?
Oh... YOU'RE in favor of a police state... got it.

It all makes sense now.

And here I'd almost thought you had said you agreed with me with respect to the drug war.

We need to STOP enforcing these ridiculous laws, and let people who've never hurt anyone physically or financially go...
pending calamity

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#329 Apr 8, 2009
GlockG20_10mm wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you for real!? Governor Connally was wounded but lived and James Tague was also wounded. One with a direct hit, the other from fragments of a bullet. You better study up on history... you're losing credibility by the posting.
<quoted text>
Uh, no. And armed citizenry is an excellent prevention of a drive by period. And again, less than 1% of all violent crimes are committed with the types of weapons you fear. FBI is a wonderful source.
<quoted text>
So you are advocating a police state? Sorry there is this little thing called the Bill of Rights that is designed to prevent that.
You have a great idea on the drug war but you fall apart when it comes right down to it. In other words you are what we like to call a Pelosi puppet. I own a large array of weapons. They are secure and have never killed a living thing. Amazing that eh? The bottom line is there is no need to ban anything.
How about enforcing the current laws on the books?
How about enforcing restriction and searches on convicted felons?
How about enforcing the death penalty when the evidence is clear?
How about using logic and reason to solve problems instead of mo ronic k nee jerk reactions based on emotional idi ocy?
Agreed to everything, BTW from the left...Nothing has changed in 100 years.. Right ideas, but these seem to be rules and not laws worthwhile enforcing. Tricky question..How do we ENFORCE immigration laws???

Since: Jan 09

Tel Aviv-Yafo

#330 Apr 8, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>And nobody else got hit iirc. That would support my point.
A drive by with a hand gun is better for the general public than a drive by with an uzi.
<quoted text>The first place they look is someones house if they've heard that someone has them, so I hope you keep yours well secured.
<quoted text>There is a difference between an advocate and a nut, and as far as I'm seeing here I would not quite label you a nut. That said, if you don't like being labeled a nut, continue to stay away from conspiracy theorist rhetoric as you have, and refrain from sounding like you are currently building a revolutionary army as you have, and don't try to spread the fear that the **** government is going to come for your guns as you haven't. Those things are what make a person a "gun nut".
Why would you even consider yourself a candidate for the label if it so clearly doesn't apply to you? If anyone actually was calling you a nut, I'd suggest they're a bit nutty and suggest you just ignore them.
<quoted text>Exactly my point. They extreme wings are nuts, and have no real power. There is no need to be afraid of either of them.
<quoted text>Exactly.
Excuse me dad, "sounding like you are currently building a revolutionary army as you have" what army would that be? You toss bull around all you want, but keep your lies and crap off what I say. I have have said nothing of the sort and you're a lying piece of s-h-i-t if you say I did. No, you have already said I said it. You are a lying piece of s-h-i-t.

Since: Jan 09

Tel Aviv-Yafo

#331 Apr 8, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>I know sarcasm doesn't read well, but come on man... all caps on the last line was a dead give a way.
Unlike you, I read nothing into what others post. What it says is what I go with. If you don't mean it, don't say. After the fact squirming doesn't erase.

Since: Jan 09

Tel Aviv-Yafo

#332 Apr 8, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>Where the hell do I say anything indicative of that? o.O I think you've lost it now.
<quoted text>Oh... YOU'RE in favor of a police state... got it.
It all makes sense now.
And here I'd almost thought you had said you agreed with me with respect to the drug war.
We need to STOP enforcing these ridiculous laws, and let people who've never hurt anyone physically or financially go...
No. I think he is in favor of enforcing laws currently on the books.

Your call to anarchy falls on deaf ears. Change the laws. Until they're changed, I want law enforcement to enforce them.

Since: Jan 09

Tel Aviv-Yafo

#333 Apr 8, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>Kind of my point bro. It's my way of saying guns and rifles are nice, but let's get the ak47s back off the shelf.
I remember 30 years ago when gangs did drive bys with uzis; hurt and killed innocent bystanders; always a dozen or more.
The anti-automatic-ban crowd says banning guns doesn't get them off the streets, but I haven't heard about any uzi drive bys in decades... drive bys yea, but not with automatic weapons. People are safer without uzis being sold at Sports Authority like they were 30 years ago.
Keep your guns, but lets agree we don't need "nukes" 'kay?
I don't agree. I like assault weapons and have several and may want more. An assault weapon is the best defense against an assault weapon. I want to be at least as well armed as some criminal. That is only fair.

Since: Jan 09

Tel Aviv-Yafo

#334 Apr 8, 2009
GlockG20_10mm wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not even in the realm of reality with your arguments. First of all it's in the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
And that is all that is needed for the people to revolt. The 2nd Amendment is insurance that we can if the need should ever arise, overthrow tyrants in our government. You are making ridiculous arguments that are not even in the realm of reality.
Keep in mind that military members are the final say as to whether a nuke will get launched or not. Would an American soldier, sailor or marine drop a nuke on his own countrymen? Highly improbable. The use of nuclear weapons is not as trivial as you may wish it to be.
And dropping one on ourselves is a great way to galvanize the bloodiest revolt ever. One thing I know about Americans is that when they get cornered they are some of the meanest, nastiest and dirtiest fighting people around. Especially when it's about something they really believe in.
I'm done with him -Path- took me two days but I have discovered he is an idiot. He makes it up as he goes.
JDR

Orlando, FL

#335 Apr 8, 2009
VJC wrote:
We need to outlaw guns. Then there will be no more shoutings like this one.
Ya, and pencils mispell words and spoons make people fat.
JDR

Orlando, FL

#336 Apr 8, 2009
mixman12 wrote:
BAN GUNS!!!
Is it any surprise that the U.S has the highest murders around the world?
NO it doesn't Scotland and New Guinea beat us per capita.

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#337 Apr 9, 2009
Lazar Bel wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me dad, "sounding like you are currently building a revolutionary army as you have" what army would that be? You toss bull around all you want, but keep your lies and crap off what I say. I have have said nothing of the sort and you're a lying piece of **** if you say I did. No, you have already said I said it. You are a lying piece of ****.
Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit I see. First of all you need to read the whole line: "refrain from sounding like you are currently building a revolutionary army as you have".You see the word "refrain" in the front of the line? You see those three words, "as you have", at the end of that line you're quoting? Put the two together and we have that you haven't done what's in the middle. So we're in agreement, except you can't read.
Lazar Bel wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you, I read nothing into what others post. What it says is what I go with. If you don't mean it, don't say. After the fact squirming doesn't erase.
Who's squirming? You can't read man. I'm just trying to help you out, and teach you how to read sarcasm when it's clearly displayed, but if you want to remain ignorant that's your prerogative.

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#338 Apr 9, 2009
Lazar Bel wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I think he is in favor of enforcing laws currently on the books.
Your call to anarchy falls on deaf ears. Change the laws. Until they're changed, I want law enforcement to enforce them.
Sure, let's keep spending 30+ grand a year each feeding and housing millions of harmless people. Let's increase the police force so we can get more of em while we're at it. I bet if we try hard enough we can spend trillions just housing and feeding harmless people. I bet we could get more than 50% of the entire population in jail with these laws if we try hard enough.

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#339 Apr 9, 2009
Lazar Bel wrote:
An assault weapon is the best defense against an assault weapon.
Absurd.

An assault weapon is the best defense against a crowd.

The best defense against an individual, no matter what kind of gun he has, is the gun you're most accurate with. You only have to shoot him, not a 10 foot radius around him. You only need ONE bullet to stop ONE guy. Perfect accuracy aside, a couple of shots should do. A spray is overkill.

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#340 Apr 9, 2009
P.S. Since you can't comprehend sarcasm, I'll point it out for you.

Sarcasm:
Path wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, let's keep spending 30+ grand a year each feeding and housing millions of harmless people. Let's increase the police force so we can get more of em while we're at it. I bet if we try hard enough we can spend trillions just housing and feeding harmless people. I bet we could get more than 50% of the entire population in jail with these laws if we try hard enough.
Tip: If it sounds so ridiculous it's unbelievable, it's probably a joke. Got it 'tardo?

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#341 Apr 9, 2009
Lazar Bel wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm done with him -Path- took me two days but I have discovered he is an idiot. He makes it up as he goes.
It would help if either of you had reading comprehension skills. You're both arguing with me even when I'm agreeing with you. It really is absurd.

I bet you still don't understand that I'm pro second amendment, even though I've said it a dozen times in this thread.

“Religion Sucks”

Since: Dec 08

Tallahassee, FL

#342 Apr 9, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>Absurd.
An assault weapon is the best defense against a crowd.
The best defense against an individual, no matter what kind of gun he has, is the gun you're most accurate with. You only have to shoot him, not a 10 foot radius around him. You only need ONE bullet to stop ONE guy. Perfect accuracy aside, a couple of shots should do. A spray is overkill.
A shotgun is usually best, that way you don't have to have perfect aim. Plus if you have a pump action it usually scares the s&^% out of them and they run
Move along now

United States

#343 Apr 10, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>Absurd.
An assault weapon is the best defense against a crowd.
The best defense against an individual, no matter what kind of gun he has, is the gun you're most accurate with. You only have to shoot him, not a 10 foot radius around him. You only need ONE bullet to stop ONE guy. Perfect accuracy aside, a couple of shots should do. A spray is overkill.
radius? spray?

Do you not understand that semi-automatic rifles are just longer versoins of semi-automatic handguns? The don't inherently "spray". They spray a crowd when the shooter wants them to.

And as for automatics, legally-owned automatics have been used to commit a homicide only 2 or 3 times (once by a cop).

Maybe you think we should be a country with strict gun control laws -- like Mexico.

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#344 Apr 10, 2009
Move along now wrote:
Maybe you think we should be a country with strict gun control laws -- like Mexico.
Maybe you should actually read all of my posts, particularly where I make it clear I'm not against the second amendment. I'm just not anti-gun-control either.

We can have both, which makes the argument retarded.

We have waiting periods and registration, and still have our guns. Waiting periods and registration don't deny anyone guns.

That said I'm sure we all can agree there needs to be a limit. The only debate is where to draw the line. Everything else is a whole lot of hot air over nothing.

I'm sure we all agree we shouldn't allow nukes to be sold on the open market... how about missiles? land mines?..

Most of this argument is stupid. Idiots acting like this is an all or nothing proposition will have us arguing this pointless and stupid argument until the end of time.

Nobody is coming to take your guns away, so relax.
Move along now

United States

#345 Apr 12, 2009
Path wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody is coming to take your guns away, so relax.
Not yet. But in countries where it has been done, nobody announced it years in advance. They just started with registration and went from there.

My general critique of your comments is they strike me as those of someone with no first-hand experience with or even knowledge of the various type of firearms, how often each kind is used for illegal purposes, and the ownership status or acquisition path used to acquire legal vs. illegal.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 16
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Casselberry Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 5 min shinningelectr0n 1,220,534
Inspiration Lane - Don't Quit (May '09) 33 min Wiley_Kyote 71,688
News Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds ... (Dec '08) 43 min OzRitz 52,865
News Black Babies Used as Alligator Bait in Florida 48 min Mike 11
CASEY: Does the State Have the Goods to Convict? (Mar '10) 2 hr ANGHARAD 496,346
News Is President Obama the Worst President in History? (Jun '10) 2 hr Reverend Alan 4,689
News Muslims are their own worst enemy: My Word 7 hr A duck 5
More from around the web

Casselberry People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]