What we think: Get serious on merging

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W ith a budget shortfall of $86 million looming for Orange County, support is growing among its leaders for a serious look at merging fire services with Orlando to save money.

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Harry

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Jun 24, 2009
 
Mikee wrote:
As long as we are bringing up our passed heroes...OCFRD lost two men in the 80's and it changed tactic books all over the country. Live and learn. Only a few years ago OFD trainers killed to of Osceola's bravest by NOT learning from the past and being STUPID. Orlando NEEDS a change before their "tradition" kills others. Just sayin'.
Actually, dumba$$, the OCFD didn't change a damn thing after the two brothers were killed. OFD and other depts had already adopted the Phoenix system of Incident command but OCFD refused to use any IC system at all. The written system was offered to the training chief. He said he was working on one. Years later there was still no written SOP manual. OCFD refuses to take units out service to allow them to train for even half a day with other units and relies on the station Lts to train the troops. There is virtually no hands on multi-company training.
The two who died in Osceola County were killed because the training officer in charge of Osceola hot boxed the fire and used foam mattresses as fuel..unbeknownst to OFD, who was not in charge of the training.
OFD has a superior training and safety record and has lost one chief when a building collapsed in 1971. OCFD killed two good men at a gift shop fire that, from arrival, had obvious signs of a draft condition in the cockloft of the building. The two newer guys had not been trained in draft situations and were never taught not to open up a building or not to pull a ceiling if there was a draft conditon above. They entered the building, pulled the ceiling and the building drafted, bringing the roof down on them. The failure was due to improper incident command and incompetent or no training at all.
OFD ffs complain that OFD is really the "Orlando Training Dept" because they train so much. OCFD still gets on trussed apt. roofs, makes exterior attacks, and stands outside and makes plans of what to do while the building burns. The crews are ready to do the job but the chief officers, who are not up to speed and can't make a decision, won't allow it.
I could go into more but why bother. If you work for OCFD or OFD you know what I'm talkng about.
Jason Rossi

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Jun 25, 2009
 
What about this poll??#
Do you agree with our opinion?
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37.6%
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62.4%
* 867 total responses (Results not scientific)
Art

Orlando, FL

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#43
Jun 25, 2009
 
Harry,

OFD has a superior safety and training record and has lost only one chief in a building collapse in 1971."

"OCFD killed two good men..."
Here are just a few fire departments that have experienced line of duty deaths; Or "killed.. good men"..New Smyrna, FDNY, Worcester, Houston, a grocery store in Pheonix, Chicago.

Have any of these agencies contacted OFD for a SUPERIOR consult.

Keep up the arrogance OFD.
Mikee

Palm Coast, FL

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Jun 25, 2009
 
EVERYONE is listening "proof". That is why you're scared. The residents are finally seeing the discusting arroance of your Union managers. Which insurance agency are you quoting? OFD Fireman Mutual?
Harry

Melbourne, FL

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Jun 25, 2009
 
Art wrote:
Harry,
OFD has a superior safety and training record and has lost only one chief in a building collapse in 1971."
"OCFD killed two good men..."
Here are just a few fire departments that have experienced line of duty deaths; Or "killed.. good men"..New Smyrna, FDNY, Worcester, Houston, a grocery store in Pheonix, Chicago.
Have any of these agencies contacted OFD for a SUPERIOR consult.
Keep up the arrogance OFD.
OCFD has virtually no hands on training program but relies on computer based training. They have to rely on station Lts. to do some semblance of training. It isn't arrogance, it's truth. The two men died because of incompetence, lack of training, and lack of SOPs. I didn't make it up, dopey. Read the report for yourself...unless you'd rather not know.
My point is that OCFD operates in much more dangerous fashion than OFD and most OFD and OCFD guys know it. It isn't the ffs, it's the commanders and the ICS that sucks.
Why would any OFD ffs want to be under such a structure? Why would city residents want to regress back to a class 4 or 5 with longer response times?
We don't want anything to do with the county but for some unknown reason, you all are dying to be together with us. And yes, I know the standard line about citizen safety. Our citizens are well protected. We aren't the ones who have a split ISO or the 9-10 minute response times or aerials that have to cross the county to respond to a house fire.
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Melbourne, FL

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Jun 25, 2009
 
Mikee wrote:
EVERYONE is listening "proof". That is why you're scared. The residents are finally seeing the discusting arroance of your Union managers. Which insurance agency are you quoting? OFD Fireman Mutual?
The residents of the city, overwhelmingly want to keep their own FD and it's response times. They don't want to improve county residents' response times by increasing theirs.
Art

Orlando, FL

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#47
Jun 25, 2009
 
OFD just stay in your bubble. It is when you come out of your bubble with your egos, arrogance in greed. Belittle other departments and claim to be "superior". Central Florida fire departments and residents mirror much of the struggling country. People in the community noticed what finnaly floated to the top. Egos, arrogance and greed. Stay in your bubble, you will pop it on your own.
Nope you Dopes

Orlando, FL

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Jun 25, 2009
 
Jason Rossi wrote:
What about this poll??#
Do you agree with our opinion?
Thumbs up (326 responses)
37.6%
Thumbs down (541 responses)
62.4%
* 867 total responses (Results not scientific)
No, we don't agree. I cancelled my subscription to your paper and I'm telling everyone else I know to do the same. I bet you guys are wondering why you're getting all of these cancellations lately. It's only going to get worse. As a whole, the Slantinel only gives a one-sided opinion and does give a fair and balanced one at that. Never before has been so adamant about posting opinions about topics they obviously haven't done enough research on. I am citizen of Orlando and I know more about this situation that you guys. Let me set the facts straight for you, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE OUR FIRE SERVICE!! Ask any citizen and they will tell you the same. Do your research and you will find that merging with Orange County is not going to improve the City of Orlando's resident's service, in fact, it will make it one of the worst in the nation. Do your research, like a newspaper should before releasing thier opinions, and you will find that the ISO ratings DO MEAN SOMETHING. Orlando is an ISO 1 and Orange County is 5 and a 9. Do the math. Better yet, here is a link that shows you the benefits of being an ISO 1 City.

http://www.iso.com/Research-and-Analyses/Stud...

It's amazing that you guys represent the City of Orlando but, you respresent it with hidden agendas and apparently biased opinions. We're fed up with you and your newpaper.
Jerry

Orlando, FL

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Jun 25, 2009
 
Nope you Dopes wrote:
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No, we don't agree. I cancelled my subscription to your paper and I'm telling everyone else I know to do the same. I bet you guys are wondering why you're getting all of these cancellations lately. It's only going to get worse. As a whole, the Slantinel only gives a one-sided opinion and does give a fair and balanced one at that. Never before has been so adamant about posting opinions about topics they obviously haven't done enough research on. I am citizen of Orlando and I know more about this situation that you guys. Let me set the facts straight for you, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE OUR FIRE SERVICE!! Ask any citizen and they will tell you the same. Do your research and you will find that merging with Orange County is not going to improve the City of Orlando's resident's service, in fact, it will make it one of the worst in the nation. Do your research, like a newspaper should before releasing thier opinions, and you will find that the ISO ratings DO MEAN SOMETHING. Orlando is an ISO 1 and Orange County is 5 and a 9. Do the math. Better yet, here is a link that shows you the benefits of being an ISO 1 City.
http://www.iso.com/Research-and-Analyses/Stud...
It's amazing that you guys represent the City of Orlando but, you respresent it with hidden agendas and apparently biased opinions. We're fed up with you and your newpaper.
Or..see another ISO 1 rated city for yourself: APOPKA!?
Jake

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Jun 25, 2009
 
Jerry wrote:
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Or..see another ISO 1 rated city for yourself: APOPKA!?
Apopka. The city that your OCFD refused to call a few years ago for a house fire. Your "superior" , "well trained", department was out on a call in a rescue truck. Your policy was (maybe still is) to have an "either/or" for rescues or pumpers, which means the crew was either on the rescue or on the pumper.
In this case your crew had to drive back past the fire to the station to get the pumper. In the meantime, the house burned down. Your "expert" department did the same thing the year before in Bay Hill.
Yeah, you're terrific and sooooo much better than Orlando or Apopka...just ask one of you.
BTW...Apopka at least knows how to do an interior attack.
Orange County FF

Orlando, FL

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#51
Jun 26, 2009
 
Why is our county fire dept only concerned with merging with Orlando? Why aren't we aggressivly trying to do the same with Apopka and Winter Park or even Maitland?? I am new here at the county but I don't understand all this bitterness. We should just stay in our own backyard. Let's be happy being Orange County Fire/Rescue. It's safer for us that way because of our strict adherence to RIT procedures. Maybe by being good at the way we fight fires all the other departments will see that and start doing things like us. Perhaps this way other departments will want to merge with us because of how good we are!!
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Jun 26, 2009
 
Orange County FF wrote:
Why is our county fire dept only concerned with merging with Orlando? Why aren't we aggressivly trying to do the same with Apopka and Winter Park or even Maitland?? I am new here at the county but I don't understand all this bitterness. We should just stay in our own backyard. Let's be happy being Orange County Fire/Rescue. It's safer for us that way because of our strict adherence to RIT procedures. Maybe by being good at the way we fight fires all the other departments will see that and start doing things like us. Perhaps this way other departments will want to merge with us because of how good we are!!
I agree. I don't want to consolidate and I don't think it would serve our brother ffs or the citizens very well. This is a move by management and the Slantinel to first, consolidate and then to start eliminating stations that aren't needed. The proposed 43 layoffs would bleed over to us...as happened in the nineties. The only way to save money is to save on personnel and benefits.
We need to be careful what we wish for. We're not broken...let's not fix it.
Jerry

Orlando, FL

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Jun 26, 2009
 
Jake wrote:
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Apopka. The city that your OCFD refused to call a few years ago for a house fire. Your "superior" , "well trained", department was out on a call in a rescue truck. Your policy was (maybe still is) to have an "either/or" for rescues or pumpers, which means the crew was either on the rescue or on the pumper.
In this case your crew had to drive back past the fire to the station to get the pumper. In the meantime, the house burned down. Your "expert" department did the same thing the year before in Bay Hill.
Yeah, you're terrific and sooooo much better than Orlando or Apopka...just ask one of you.
BTW...Apopka at least knows how to do an interior attack.
At least you are finding more current information. The LODD were 21 years ago and "either or" was about 11 years ago. and several administrations ago.

Thanks for putting your own quotes to describe OCFD.
Jake

Melbourne, FL

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#54
Jun 26, 2009
 
Same administration for the rescue problem. Same administration...less the chief, for the incompetence that killed by buddy and his fellow ff.
You all, for the most part, still put them on the ground, stand around outside and make a plan, get on trussed roofs when there is fire below, have 3 man truck companies and don't make aggressive interior attacks. You have "street command" which take one fire guy out of the equation, and still have horrendous response times.
The only thing you may be "superior" to would be some of the volunteer depts. that you took over...except for Pine Hills. In a word, you: S U C K.
Rich

Orlando, FL

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#55
Jun 26, 2009
 
Jake wrote:
Same administration for the rescue problem. Same administration...less the chief, for the incompetence that killed by buddy and his fellow ff.
You all, for the most part, still put them on the ground, stand around outside and make a plan, get on trussed roofs when there is fire below, have 3 man truck companies and don't make aggressive interior attacks. You have "street command" which take one fire guy out of the equation, and still have horrendous response times.
The only thing you may be "superior" to would be some of the volunteer depts. that you took over...except for Pine Hills. In a word, you: S U C
K.
Wow "suck" is that part of a middle school flash back! Or just stuck mentally in middle school?
cal

Orlando, FL

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#56
Jun 26, 2009
 
OCFD2 wrote:
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I agree. I don't want to consolidate and I don't think it would serve our brother ffs or the citizens very well. This is a move by management and the Slantinel to first, consolidate and then to start eliminating stations that aren't needed. The proposed 43 layoffs would bleed over to us...as happened in the nineties. The only way to save money is to save on personnel and benefits.
We need to be careful what we wish for. We're not broken...let's not fix it.
Agree. Continue to remain progressive. Current economics are a reality. Recognize people are struggleing and hope for a turn around. Better to look within to stremline cost. OCFD may not want to connect itself to a 20th century ball and chain.

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