CASEY: Does the State Have the Goods ...

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#504080 Jun 3, 2013
Riverside wrote:
<quoted text> calling 911 would have instructed you to do CPR ,not throw him in a car and waste time from trying to clear his lungs.
Like I said, mothers don't stop and think about what to do when it comes to their kids....they just "do".

Hindsight is great, but instinct is ingrained.
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504081 Jun 3, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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You're being ridiculous, not only with your rhetoric, but with your misstated facts, too.
Whats wrong DID I hit a nerve ? Ordid I make you think about how bad Casey really is.

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#504082 Jun 3, 2013
About that open side gate.....I don't think anybody has given it much importance.

But the fact is, that gate locked on the inside.....meaning it had to have been unlocked from within the back-yard.

It was left open, indicating someone was in a panic when they unlocked it from the back-yard side and ran through it, especially as the most natural thing for any resident of that home would be to re-enter the house via the screened in patio and exit from the garage or front door.

This fact from evidence, along with the pool ladder being up, supports the drowning theory, imo.

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#504083 Jun 3, 2013
Riverside wrote:
<quoted text> Whats wrong DID I hit a nerve ? Ordid I make you think about how bad Casey really is.
Neither.

It was a compilation of misstated facts I objected to. You don't get to pick and choose from a bunch of media hype what to include in your unsupported theory.

Do you honestly believe that I would support a baby killer if the evidence proved she killed her kid? If you do, then I'm wasting my time trying to point out why I believe Caylee drowned.
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504084 Jun 3, 2013
ngrace wrote:
About that open side gate.....I don't think anybody has given it much importance.
But the fact is, that gate locked on the inside.....meaning it had to have been unlocked from within the back-yard.
It was left open, indicating someone was in a panic when they unlocked it from the back-yard side and ran through it, especially as the most natural thing for any resident of that home would be to re-enter the house via the screened in patio and exit from the garage or front door.
This fact from evidence, along with the pool ladder being up, supports the drowning theory, imo.
NGrace the side gate did not lead to the garage or house ! Why would someone in a panic take the time to go get the keys to the padlock then open it. When all other entrances would not been locked ? The gate had a padlock on it! Casey was not at home when she killed Caylee she was in her car.

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#504085 Jun 3, 2013
Riverside wrote:
<quoted text> show me where and when I have ever discuses George's employment or financial situation ? It is none of my business nor is it yours nor should it be any concern of yours what his mother in-law said to her family in a private Email.. Guess you're just another gossipy old bag . how sad!
Gladly.

You initially wrote that neither of them had a job.

I gave you the link for his last known job, which you poo-pooed as being 2 years out of date.

My comment came from discovery released in the case......private emails became public record.

"Gossipy old bag"??????????

Not hardly.
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504086 Jun 3, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Neither.
It was a compilation of misstated facts I objected to. You don't get to pick and choose from a bunch of media hype what to include in your unsupported theory.
Do you honestly believe that I would support a baby killer if the evidence proved she killed her kid? If you do, then I'm wasting my time trying to point out why I believe Caylee drowned.
You have the right to believe what ever makes you happy. I think you are a person who feels a deep connection to Casey. I recall posting with you on another news thread that closed down, when this first happened and way before any of the fake theories were spread. You supported Casey even then, yet no one else was.
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504087 Jun 3, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Gladly.
You initially wrote that neither of them had a job.
I gave you the link for his last known job, which you poo-pooed as being 2 years out of date.
My comment came from discovery released in the case......private emails became public record.
"Gossipy old bag"??????????
Not hardly.
Read back I have never said anything about Cindy or George not working - you are very mistaken.
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504088 Jun 3, 2013
I posted Casey had ruined his life !

“FOOTBALL”

Since: Aug 08

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#504089 Jun 4, 2013
Ngrace I did pretty much the same thing before. My son was just under an year old and the doctor said to start introducing solid foods to his diet. The kids and I went out to lunch where I gave the baby a little bit of scrambled eggs. A few minutes later he was sitting in his stroller as we were shopping around the mall. I looked down at him and all of a sudden his face was red and swollen, he had hives, trouble breathing and looked like he was falling asleep. I quick grabbed him out of his stroller ( left the stroller right at the mall) and took him myself to the hospital which was only about 5 minutes away. I don't even remember the drive there , just that I kept telling my daughter to keep bouncing the baby and blowing air in his face so he wouldn't fall asleep. Needless to say we went back to baby food and I never gave the boy a egg again for about 10 years.
ngrace wrote:
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Actually in my situation, I didn't waste time calling 911.....instead I grabbed him up and ran shoeless and coatless to the car, ran every red-light, and was at the ER within minutes.
I suspect the reason the side gate was left open was because Casey tried to do the very same thing.
That's how mothers react when it comes to their kids........they don't stop and think, they just go.

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#504090 Jun 4, 2013
ngrace wrote:
That pic of George at Quinco is from 2011. What is he doing now?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504091 Jun 4, 2013
ngrace wrote:
About that open side gate.....I don't think anybody has given it much importance.
But the fact is, that gate locked on the inside.....meaning it had to have been unlocked from within the back-yard.
It was left open, indicating someone was in a panic when they unlocked it from the back-yard side and ran through it, especially as the most natural thing for any resident of that home would be to re-enter the house via the screened in patio and exit from the garage or front door.
This fact from evidence, along with the pool ladder being up, supports the drowning theory, imo.
It's as if you have a problem with the concept that the PASSAGE OF TIME alone works toward disproving or proving unknown situations. It's as this is September, 2008 to you........and you lack the ability to focus on events over the past five years from a June, 2013 perspective.

Prior to December 11, 2008 an accidental drowning was a possibility, but other events occurred LATER which now disprove it........

- mainly the discovery of the body with too small shorts (but that connected to a video just happened to be found by an Internet poster), a shirt Cindy had never seen before (Big Trouble comes in Small Packages (that a reported exboyfriend just happened to have a photo of, which he sold to the Globe BEFORE the body was found), not to mention the laundry bag and the garbage bags and a chosen disposal site littered with garbage and rattle snakes is NOT how ANY panicked, loving mother (or relative) treats a victim of an accident.

- that in FIVE years, nobody has admitted to involvement.....not Casey, not George....even in Jose Baez opening statement (which is not evidence) he left open the door the possibility that the disturbed, child molesting grandfather INTENTIONALLY drowned Caylee.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504093 Jun 4, 2013
Riverside wrote:
I posted Casey had ruined his life !
How can you be the judge of who's life "is ruined".

I'm constantly admire the resiliency of some people who have suffered and endured horrible, traumatic, unimaginable situations far beyond a death of a loved one -- how they have the ability to move on making the best of the worst....often by choosing to serve as a positive role model to others.

If on the other hand you are referring to someone who Casey was expected to "get off the hook" by admitting to something which didn't occur -- she didn't ruin anyone's life - he did it to himself.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504094 Jun 4, 2013
whataboutcaylee wrote:
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That pic of George at Quinco is from 2011. What is he doing now?
Waiting for the upcoming trials, currently protected in a Witness Protection Program, is my bet.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504095 Jun 4, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Gladly.
You initially wrote that neither of them had a job.
I gave you the link for his last known job, which you poo-pooed as being 2 years out of date.
My comment came from discovery released in the case......private emails became public record.
"Gossipy old bag"??????????
Not hardly.
About those emails from what's his name, the Rev, to OCSO which were withheld from being released in discovery against her -- private emails become preserved evidence in upcoming trials.

"There will come a time when I will say all and answer all.
I promise you that."

Will he or won't he?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504096 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
Oh and ngracie.....just thought of this....
While you continue to insist that the public has been presented ALL the information regarding Caylee's murder (and I continue to insist otherwise, using the example that the mother of the deceased Eric Baker in Kentucky said the FBI told her Casey thought the child may be with the biological father's parents), I just thought of another example.
In the interview by Yuri Melich at the TES command center of all places.....between he and The Rev, references were made to emails the Rev had sent the OCSO about the case. Those emails were never released in discovery either.
Preservation of evidence!
ngrace wrote:
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Wrong poster, again, as I've never posted anything of the sort.
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You never posted anything of WHAT sort?

If you are agreeing with me that not all evidence regarding the murder of Caylee was released to the public, then common sense would tell you that's the reason the prosecutor allowed George to defend himself on the stand and thereby the state "cleared" his of any involvement.

And that is also the reason a production witness was the Medical Examiner, who ruled Caylee's death HOMICIDE by underdetermined means. You ought to be smart enough to realize NO prosecution is held responsible for PROVING to a jury exactly when, how and where a murder took place in a "dry bones" case -- only that beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was responsible for the death, while observing - perhaps even playing an active role - toward an innocent person being blamed for it.
tired of silly

Tavares, FL

#504097 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Waiting for the upcoming trials, currently protected in a Witness Protection Program, is my bet.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh my morning dose of Rambler's diseased brain theories..........damn, that witness protection program must be getting crowded.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504098 Jun 4, 2013
tired of silly wrote:
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh my morning dose of Rambler's diseased brain theories..........damn, that witness protection program must be getting crowded.
Well you know what they say about psychos and lightbulbs......the fact is, in our transient and global society today coupled with the wonders of cosmetic surgery it's very easy for people to take on the role of a different person, right?
tired of silly

Tavares, FL

#504099 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Well you know what they say about psychos and lightbulbs......the fact is, in our transient and global society today coupled with the wonders of cosmetic surgery it's very easy for people to take on the role of a different person, right?
Perhaps in psycho-land where you live surrounded by "imposters", but in the real world where the real people live, people very rarely change their identities, and there are no imposters. You see, our brains perceive stimuli accurately. Your perceptions are tainted by the fact that you are stark raving mad.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504100 Jun 4, 2013
From Websleuths
11-30-2008, 08:00 AM

Posted by --
marmar

Good morning. You might want to change your title. It's Reverend Richard Grund, Jesse is the son who was engaged to KC at one time.

I think Mr. Grund has a vested interest in Caylee because at one point, he thought that she was his granddaughter, and had grown very close to her. From what I understand, KC and Caylee spent a lot of time at the Grund house when her and Jesse were engaged especially. I've seen pictures of them opening Christmas presents, etc.

I would think they became very close to Caylee during that time period. She was adorable and I don't see who couldn't. I think he also sees an injustice being done to Caylee and feels the need to defend her. His son has also been implicated by CA and was blamed at one point for Caylee being missing. I can certainly understand why he has a vested interest in this case. He was pretty much unheard from until CA blamed Jesse and then he felt the need to defend his family.

Anyone who is willing to be a voice for Caylee is speaking up and because he had loved Caylee like she was his own granddaughter, he feels very passionate about this.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.p...

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Ngracie while you continue to focus on an accidental drowning theory that to no one but you can make one lick of sense out of happening, no matter how many days, weeks and years you preach it.....have you forgotten thousands of Internet posts such as this, regarding the Rev's noble cause in the defense of Jesse? As a matter of fact, the Rev proclaimed himself "Caylee's spokeperson".

Apparently, according to this poster, "they became very close to Caylee during this time period".

The last publcialy spoken words of the Rev, post-acquittal, when he was interviewed by Vinnie Politan was "this isn"t over by a long shot" because he was outraged with Jose Baez for something that had been done to HIM and his family,

I'm curious what why you think the Rev was so angry at his son NOT being thrown under the bus and why neither RG or Jesse has ever publicly spoken about the case since then.

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