Why Do People in C'ville Vote Republican?

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Maybe be this employer is civilized and cares about workers. If possible uncivilized employers would opt out of social security, unemployment, minimum wage, child labor, work place safety and work comp to increase their bottom-line. I'm just glad someone sees that the current means of healthcare is unsustainable. The Republicans blocked you from getting the same Rx drugs from Canada, that's cheaper. Wonder Y??? Yet passed Part D for Rx drugs without a means of paying for it except ... borrow the money. Health ins companies have a virtual monopoly in a particular region. You can negotiate price in Memphis but not in Cape. Ironically Richard Nixon (R) wanted to do universal health care in his 2nd term but Watergate sunk that plan.
YOu really think so? After all of these fines, sorry taxes go in, let us know how it works out for you and your employer.

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Obamacare is the only way to head towards affordable healthcare. Mine costs $600 per month, paid by my employer. My employer got a refund from health ins company cause ins company exceeded 15% profit which is allowed by the law. Next year I bet there are NO increases, cause ins just have to give it back. Civilized employers have been providing it to their employees for decades and are in great shape. Other employers of 50 or more will be fined / taxed. As far as choosing the doctor you want, the only ppl that can do that are over 65 and on Medicare.
Actually no, the affordable way would have been to expand Medicare or something similar and then allocate tax revenues to pay for it honestly (yes, we should be cutting "defense", or actually "offense" and stop policing the world). Instead Obama embraced the Republican Romney plan to make insurance companies richer and now the hypocrites are hanging it around his neck. That's what happens when you compromise your principles (Romney is an expert on that).

That said, we can't go back to the original Republican plan... which was to do nothing while people were denied care. This thing needs to be implemented, modified and ultimately replaced with a single payer system.

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Karl Rove figured out how to capture the religous right vote. I swallowed that line for a few elections, until I figured out we where being used! The true purpose is to lower the taxes on mega-rich. When congress debates tax structure in 2013, what parts will be keep? Mortgage interest? 15% tax on dividends, tax-havens in Caymens? The Bush tax-cuts are set to expire in 2013. Has trickle down economics worked? Will more tax-cuts for rich help our economy? DOUBT IT. Income manipulation is easy for rich people to pay least amount of tax! Taxes on corporations should be lowered, but realize there are 2 types of corporations.
Actually it started with Nixon. He figured out how to get the Southern vote; just appeal to their racism (although he himself supported civil rights: "watch what we do, not what we say"). That's why he needed Pat Buchanan as a speech writer.

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Ironically Richard Nixon (R) wanted to do universal health care in his 2nd term but Watergate sunk that plan.
And it's sad too because Ted Kennedy said in his memoirs before his death, that it was the best plan ever offered by a President before or since.

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<quoted text>I honestly don't believe taxpayers are paying for her meds. Why can't we all just get on here and act civil and have discussions about politics, not that I know enough about it to really get into a deep discussion.) There is no need for name calling and slurs just because you might disagree with what someone believes. This is still America and we do have freedom of speech. My husband and I had a lot of heated discussions about politics when we got married and for several years after that. Now that I have him converted to being a Republican, those days are over. I sort of miss it though. I disagree with just about everything Alumni61Rolla says but I do respect her right to say it. Have a good day.
Yeah, I'm sure he's winning many converts to the "cause" with that rhetoric.
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Actually no, the affordable way would have been to expand Medicare or something similar and then allocate tax revenues to pay for it honestly (yes, we should be cutting "defense", or actually "offense" and stop policing the world). Instead Obama embraced the Republican Romney plan to make insurance companies richer and now the hypocrites are hanging it around his neck. That's what happens when you compromise your principles (Romney is an expert on that).
That said, we can't go back to the original Republican plan... which was to do nothing while people were denied care. This thing needs to be implemented, modified and ultimately replaced with a single payer system.
Denied care. I never could understand this any way in all my years.Why is it the governments responsibility to provide people with healthcare? Where does it say in the Constitution or Bill of
Rights the government will provide health care? If we are going to do this why don't we have hospitals in certain areas that are kept up by the government and that is where a person has to go if they can't afford it. Would be a lot cheaper. Maybe a lot of people wouldn't be running to the emergency room everytime they get a paper cut.

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Denied care. I never could understand this any way in all my years.Why is it the governments responsibility to provide people with healthcare? Where does it say in the Constitution or Bill of
Rights the government will provide health care? If we are going to do this why don't we have hospitals in certain areas that are kept up by the government and that is where a person has to go if they can't afford it. Would be a lot cheaper. Maybe a lot of people wouldn't be running to the emergency room everytime they get a paper cut.
I agree with you on the abuse of the ER, but maybe if people had comprehensive health care, they wouldn't need to run to the ER, saving all of us higher insurance premiums.

As far as the Constitution, that's the reason there's a Commerce Clause (regardless of what justification Chief Justice Roberts based his decision on)and why Congress has the power to impose taxes.

Where does the Constitution say anything about Weapons of Mass Destruction and that a President can respond to a nuclear attack in less than one hour without convening a special session of Congress and voting to declare war?

Furthermore, there is this provision in Article 1: Section 8 - "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

Nowhere in the language of the Constitution is "general welfare" forced to be construed in 18th Century terms and I doubt the Founders would have agreed with such an interpretation. Times change and so does the application of the Constitution.
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Maybe be this employer is civilized and cares about workers. If possible uncivilized employers would opt out of social security, unemployment, minimum wage, child labor, work place safety and work comp to increase their bottom-line. I'm just glad someone sees that the current means of healthcare is unsustainable. The Republicans blocked you from getting the same Rx drugs from Canada, that's cheaper. Wonder Y??? Yet passed Part D for Rx drugs without a means of paying for it except ... borrow the money. Health ins companies have a virtual monopoly in a particular region. You can negotiate price in Memphis but not in Cape. Ironically Richard Nixon (R) wanted to do universal health care in his 2nd term but Watergate sunk that plan.
So I guess you have the same criticism of Obama and his Obamatax healthcare disaster that was passed without a means of paying for it right??
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<quoted text>So I guess you have the same criticism of Obama and his Obamatax healthcare disaster that was passed without a means of paying for it right??
What amazes me is every time you open your mouth you just appear to be more and more ignorant just like comrade...
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<quoted text>So I guess you have the same criticism of Obama and his Obamatax healthcare disaster that was passed without a means of paying for it right??
Typically "ya gotta crawl before you walk or run." We are in the crawl stage. 1) NOW Ins cant deny kids with pre-existing 2) NOW college students can stay on parents 3) NOW there is no-lifetime maximum 4) NOW ins refund groups if ins company make over 15% profit (20% if small company). PRICE CONTROL.
The problem is mainly GREED: Hospitals, Docs, Drugs companies, Ins companies, and apathy among some of us who abuse the system.
To tackle the problem, gotta start some where ... why not ins companies?
My fear is the if GOP wins and dismantles the law, ins companies will stampede to increase rates .... GREED!
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What amazes me is every time you open your mouth you just appear to be more and more ignorant just like comrade...
You throw that out there but just what is ignorant about telling the truth? What amazes me is how you liberals open you mouth and talk shit but dont back anything up with facts of your own.
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Typically "ya gotta crawl before you walk or run." We are in the crawl stage. 1) NOW Ins cant deny kids with pre-existing 2) NOW college students can stay on parents 3) NOW there is no-lifetime maximum 4) NOW ins refund groups if ins company make over 15% profit (20% if small company). PRICE CONTROL.
The problem is mainly GREED: Hospitals, Docs, Drugs companies, Ins companies, and apathy among some of us who abuse the system.
To tackle the problem, gotta start some where ... why not ins companies?
My fear is the if GOP wins and dismantles the law, ins companies will stampede to increase rates .... GREED!
Well just like the prescription drug plan of Bush's that you trashed for not being paid for, how is this any different. It is not paid for. But if a republican does it, it is bad. If a democrat does it, it is good. Yes hypocrites for sure. How about backing up some of the trash you post.
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The truth about Obamatax is that 75% of the taxes and costs of Obamatax will fall on the backs of Americans making less that $120,000 a year. And that IS the real Just The Facts. Read it for yourself from the source that Obama just loves to quote, the CBO. Educate yourself before you throw out your liberal talking points trash.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/07/02/obamatax-...
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<quoted text>Well just like the prescription drug plan of Bush's that you trashed for not being paid for, how is this any different. It is not paid for. But if a republican does it, it is bad. If a democrat does it, it is good. Yes hypocrites for sure. How about backing up some of the trash you post.
BUSHE'S PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN

This difference is clear! Bush's part D Medicare drug bill BANNED GOVERNMENT NEGOIATING with drug companies to buy prescrition drugs in bulk discount. This is the the same bulk discount the VA has been using for years which results in millions & millions of dollare in savings for our government.(that means us taxpayers are having to bear the cost of this lost savings).

OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE REFORM PLAN PRESCRIPTION PLAN

Obama is committed to OVERTURNING THE BUSH BAN ON GOVERNMENT NEGOIATING with drug companies to buy prescription drugs in discount bulk (which will result of a savings of millions & missions of savings for our government.(that means us taxpayers get some relief in cost of prescription drugs for Medicare part D recepients).

See, this is just more proof that Bush/Republicans are more concerned for the pocketbooks of BIG BUSINESSS than they are of the pocketbooks of us taxpayers. And yet, Republicans claim they want to save the taxpayers' money...OH REALLY???

This is just like when it comes to the military - money is no object to the GOP. The sky is the limit in how much money Republicans are willing to throw at our already over-bloated military budget. When it comes to the military - Republicans don't give a hoot how much this country spends. Do you know this country spends more than the 17 largest developed countries in the world for military budget?

Yet, to hear the Republicans tell it - THEY are the conservative party. This is just absolutely laughable. My guess, it that all those lucrative government contracts with the military is a big part of why they want to throw so much money at the military. Yes, Republicans are watching out for their cronies even if it bankrupts our country in doing so. For an example of this - just look at Bush's 8 long years in office...

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The truth about Obamatax is that 75% of the taxes and costs of Obamatax will fall on the backs of Americans making less that $120,000 a year.
How MUCH less?'Cause I'm sure that's the median income for people in Caruthersville.

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The truth about Obamatax is that 75% of the taxes and costs of Obamatax will fall on the backs of Americans making less that $120,000 a year. And that IS the real Just The Facts. Read it for yourself from the source that Obama just loves to quote, the CBO. Educate yourself before you throw out your liberal talking points trash.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/07/02/obamatax-...
You should read your own source:

"Stephen Moore, Senior Economics Writer with the Wall Street Journal, told FOX and Friends Friday that nearly 75% of Obamacare costs will fall on the backs of those Americans making less than $120,000 a year. Democrats want to call it a penalty on freeloaders. But what if some one chose not to buy insurance and paid for their medical bills out of pocket?"

So in other words, this 75% percentage is complete BS. It only affects people who can afford but choose not to purchase health insurance (again, the mandate was a Republican idea), but you guys scream that taxes are going up on everyone. Not true. And you can call it a tax all you want. It's still a fine; it doesn't apply to everyone. Even Charles Krauthammer admitted that Roberts was disingenuous to label it a tax.

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I guess conservative hero, Justice Antonin Scalia, is a liberal liar for saying the penalty is not a tax.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/scalia-guns-ma...

In a wide-ranging interview, Scalia also stuck by his criticism of Chief Justice John Roberts and the majority opinion in the ruling that upheld the Affordable Care Act this summer. "You don't interpret a penalty to be a pig. It can't be a pig," said Scalia, of the court's decision to call the penalty for not obtaining health insurance a tax. "There is no way to regard this penalty as a tax."
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We want George bush we want George bush
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MORALS,NOT economics!!!!!!
well, we all know the morals of the hollywood queer loving democrats
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1961 Alumni ROLLA MO wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the best I can remember it was the "old Democrats" who gave us Social Security & also Medicare & Medicaid - and I'll be willing to bet your parents, grandparents are someone in your family are benefitting from both those "old Democrats" programs.

The Democrat party has changed very little over the years! However, the Republican party has moved so far to the right - they are at the brink of falling off the cliff - or all being committed to a mental institution.
Fool! They created these feeding troughs to keep sheep like you voting for the cuz ur skeered they will take away ur free ride and I for one think its time to take away ur feeding trough! U get everything free while I bust my ass to pay for it? I think not!

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