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Judge David Kithil Spreading Lies About Obamacare!

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1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#1 Apr 6, 2013
Well, looks like the radical right-wing nuts are working overtime again - spreading fear & lies to scare the elderly!!

A recent example of this is a Judge David Kithil of Marlble Falls, TX. It is unknown whether there really is Judge Divid Kithil really exists or not.

Regardless if he exists - or - is just a figment of some right-wing nut job's imagination - HE IS SPREADING LIES IN THE FORM OF E-MAILS THAT ARE SCARING THE BEJESUS OUT OF OLDER AMERICANS ABOUT OBAMACARE!

Just for an example - He states that in the Obamacare bill - the government will have the authority to attach a person's own personal bank account & draw out funds.

This is nothing new - it's been going on for years!!! As a matter of fact, AARP draws their premiums directly out of my personal bank account!

However the reason they do this is because I INSISTED (BY SIGNING PAPERS) THAT THEY WITHDRAW THEIR PREMIIUMS OUT OF MY BANK ACCOUNT!

This is exactly what the bill in Obamacare mentions which Judge Kithil twisted around to look like the government would take over your bank account without your permission.

A person can also have their PART D MEDICARE PREMIUM HELD OUT OF THEIR PERSONAL BANKING ACCOUNT IF THEY CHOOSE.

This is just one example of how Judge Kithil is twisting the words around in the Obamacare Bill to scare older Americans.

SO BEWARE, IF YOU GET A SCARY E-MAILF FROM A JUDGE DAVID KITHIL - JUST IGNORE IT & DELETE IT. DO NOT SEND IT ON TO FRIENDS & ALARM THEM NEEDLESSLY.

THIS JUDGE DAVID KITHIL NONSENSE IS JUST ANOTHER OF THE RIGHT-WING LIES, FEARS & HATE...
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Steele, MO

#2 Apr 6, 2013
Yea, just like all those retired folks in Cyprus with to much hard earned retirement savings in the bank!
John Doe

Poplar Bluff, MO

#3 Apr 6, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
Well, looks like the radical right-wing nuts are working overtime again - spreading fear & lies to scare the elderly!!
A recent example of this is a Judge David Kithil of Marlble Falls, TX. It is unknown whether there really is Judge Divid Kithil really exists or not.
Regardless if he exists - or - is just a figment of some right-wing nut job's imagination - HE IS SPREADING LIES IN THE FORM OF E-MAILS THAT ARE SCARING THE BEJESUS OUT OF OLDER AMERICANS ABOUT OBAMACARE!
Just for an example - He states that in the Obamacare bill - the government will have the authority to attach a person's own personal bank account & draw out funds.
This is nothing new - it's been going on for years!!! As a matter of fact, AARP draws their premiums directly out of my personal bank account!
However the reason they do this is because I INSISTED (BY SIGNING PAPERS) THAT THEY WITHDRAW THEIR PREMIIUMS OUT OF MY BANK ACCOUNT!
This is exactly what the bill in Obamacare mentions which Judge Kithil twisted around to look like the government would take over your bank account without your permission.
A person can also have their PART D MEDICARE PREMIUM HELD OUT OF THEIR PERSONAL BANKING ACCOUNT IF THEY CHOOSE.
This is just one example of how Judge Kithil is twisting the words around in the Obamacare Bill to scare older Americans.
SO BEWARE, IF YOU GET A SCARY E-MAILF FROM A JUDGE DAVID KITHIL - JUST IGNORE IT & DELETE IT. DO NOT SEND IT ON TO FRIENDS & ALARM THEM NEEDLESSLY.
THIS JUDGE DAVID KITHIL NONSENSE IS JUST ANOTHER OF THE RIGHT-WING LIES, FEARS & HATE...
Alumni,

Again rhetoric that amounts to spins and distortion of the facts.

It would take me a while to show all that is wrong with what you say, so lest deal with one thing. According to you:

He states that in the Obamacare bill - the government will have the authority to attach a person's own personal bank account & draw out funds.

First, the "enforcement" agency for Obamacars is the IRS. That right, the tax man. For years the IRS has had the authority to seize assets and take bank accounts to collect back taxes.

Do you honestly believe that they won't take a bank account of anyone that they consider to be in arrears on some sort of Obamacare payment? Even you can't be that naive
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#4 Apr 6, 2013
John Doe wrote:
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Alumni,
Again rhetoric that amounts to spins and distortion of the facts.
It would take me a while to show all that is wrong with what you say, so lest deal with one thing. According to you:
He states that in the Obamacare bill - the government will have the authority to attach a person's own personal bank account & draw out funds.
First, the "enforcement" agency for Obamacars is the IRS. That right, the tax man. For years the IRS has had the authority to seize assets and take bank accounts to collect back taxes.
Do you honestly believe that they won't take a bank account of anyone that they consider to be in arrears on some sort of Obamacare payment? Even you can't be that naive
John Doe,
I can come right back at you with your own words - "Again that (Judge Kithil, e-mail) rhetoric amounts to nothing more than spins & distortions of the facts!

Just use a little common sense here...

Don't you know - if ObamaCare really did have a clause that indicates the government could sieze assets from a patient for non-payment of anything to do with ObamaCare - that FOX, LIMBAUGH, BECK, AND THE REST OF THE RIGHT-WING NOISE MACHINE WOULD BE ALL OVER IT?

Yes, the right-wing media would be up in arms & out for blood!

This would be front-page news on every right-wing media outlet!!
guest

Steele, MO

#5 Apr 6, 2013
So if it were true you are saying 61 it wouldn't bother you at all but only the right wing nut cases as you call it. Lets say you were in the hospital and ended up with a final bill you have to pay and its the exact amount as what you have in the bank, it wouldn't bother you if the IRS siezed your assets? It would only bother a right wing nut case but not a left wing nut case???
Gene

Caruthersville, MO

#6 Apr 6, 2013
guest wrote:
So if it were true you are saying 61 it wouldn't bother you at all but only the right wing nut cases as you call it. Lets say you were in the hospital and ended up with a final bill you have to pay and its the exact amount as what you have in the bank, it wouldn't bother you if the IRS siezed your assets? It would only bother a right wing nut case but not a left wing nut case???
and you have a swimming pool in your front yard.....and you expect people to think your knowledgable about politics?
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#7 Apr 6, 2013
guest wrote:
So if it were true you are saying 61 it wouldn't bother you at all but only the right wing nut cases as you call it. Lets say you were in the hospital and ended up with a final bill you have to pay and its the exact amount as what you have in the bank, it wouldn't bother you if the IRS siezed your assets? It would only bother a right wing nut case but not a left wing nut case???
You are confused about the issue here...

What you're talking about is - if a patient owes a large bill to the hospital & does not pay this bill - then the hospital could legally sue the patient - and it's possible the patient's assets could be siezed to satisfy the hospital debt. BUT, OBAMACARE IS IN NO WAY INVOLVED IN THIS MATTER!

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the E-MAIL being circulated about Obamacare seizing a patient's bank account.(THIS IS A LIE)!

What this e-mail (of Judge Kithil) is inferring is - that ObamaCare would have access to your bank account to pay your premium payments for private health insurance or your insurance premiums for the GOVERNMENT HEALTH EXCHANGE which is a part of ObamaCare.

This has been going on for years - My husband (now deceased) & I have had our AARP Medicare Supplement insurance payments witheld from our personal bank account for 7 yrs (for my husband) & 5 ys (for me).

Unless, you give your insurance carrier - or ObamaCare permission to withdraw premium payments from your checking account - THEY CANNOT DO IT!

This can be compared to giving your credit card to a business to pay your bill. THE PATIENT IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL!

THE E-MAIL BY JUDGE KIHIL IS A LIE & A BIG HOAX - which has been circulated by the right-wing in order to SCARE ELDERLY PEOPLE.

THE RIGHT-WING IS STILL TRYING EVER DIRTY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO KILL OBAMACARE.

But, they are just wasting their time - Obamacare is now the law of the land. The supreme court has even signed off on it.
John Doe

Poplar Bluff, MO

#8 Apr 6, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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John Doe,
I can come right back at you with your own words - "Again that (Judge Kithil, e-mail) rhetoric amounts to nothing more than spins & distortions of the facts!
Just use a little common sense here...
Don't you know - if ObamaCare really did have a clause that indicates the government could sieze assets from a patient for non-payment of anything to do with ObamaCare - that FOX, LIMBAUGH, BECK, AND THE REST OF THE RIGHT-WING NOISE MACHINE WOULD BE ALL OVER IT?
Yes, the right-wing media would be up in arms & out for blood!
This would be front-page news on every right-wing media outlet!!
That is a very nice spin but it had nothing to do with what I said. I was talking about the IRS being the enforcement agency for Obamacare and what their powers were and have always been. You tried to divert from that.

As far as Obamacare is concerned. There are 2,000 pages in the base bill and it's not done. Subsequent regulation is in the range of 20,000 pages of rules and regulations and that Obamacare required to be written after the bill was passed and there will be more.

I don't know of anyone who has slogged their way through all 22,000 pages. I know I am still reading and trying to comprehend all of that governmentese. Maybe you should try it so you can learn the truth about what is and is not in Obamacare
Spaghettus

Lewisburg, TN

#9 Aug 13, 2013
"you were in the hospital and ended up with a final bill...it wouldn't bother you if the IRS siezed (sic) your assets?"
This is the type of misunderstanding that is rampant. Why would anyone think the IRS would become a collection agency for a private hospital?
The IRS will be collecting the penalty for those who don't have insurance, but these people have been using Medicaid as their major medical plan, anyway. If they have a serious accident or illness, we would be paying, one way or the other, whether it's through higher taxes or higher bills for paying patients.
The People

United States

#10 Aug 16, 2013
You're all fools and need to stop being lazy followers!
Concerned Person

Framingham, MA

#11 Sep 20, 2013
When are the left going to wake up and realize what is going on in this country. You call thinking and concerned people nut cases...think again. The handwriting has been on the wall for years and yet people still voted him in office. Over 700 billion dollars has been taken out of Medicare to fund this
and the people who have been paying into this their whole lives are going to be screwed out of their medical treatments.
I have not read the bill myself, but I know credible people who have and we should be outraged.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#12 Sep 20, 2013
Concerned Person wrote:
When are the left going to wake up and realize what is going on in this country. You call thinking and concerned people nut cases...think again. The handwriting has been on the wall for years and yet people still voted him in office. Over 700 billion dollars has been taken out of Medicare to fund this
and the people who have been paying into this their whole lives are going to be screwed out of their medical treatments.
I have not read the bill myself, but I know credible people who have and we should be outraged.
How many times do you so-called Conservatives have to be told that this 700 billion dollars was SAVINGS TO THE MEDICARE PROGRAM OVER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS!!!

I know Republicans keep LYING about this 700 billion dollars - saying Obama stole this money from Medicare - BUT THIS IS A BIG FAT LIE!!! There was no actual MONEY at all!

Republicans had the very same 700 billion savings in their BUDGET - yet - they want to lie & turn around & say Obama stole this money from Mediare to fund Obamacare. This wasn't money at all!!!

This 7000 billion - was anticipated saving from waste, prescription drugs & lower Medicare payments to providers - AND REPUBLICANS USED THESE VERY SAME SAVINGS IN THEIR OWN BUDGET!!!

A person or a political party has got to be pretty LOW & SORRY to try to pass off a LIE like this - BUT REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME PROFESSIONAL LIARS - and they have become more skilled at LYING than any group of people in the whole wide world...

“Radical Islam! Radical Islam! ”

Since: Mar 08

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#13 Sep 20, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
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How many times do you so-called Conservatives have to be told that this 700 billion dollars was SAVINGS TO THE MEDICARE PROGRAM OVER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS!!!
I know Republicans keep LYING about this 700 billion dollars - saying Obama stole this money from Medicare - BUT THIS IS A BIG FAT LIE!!! There was no actual MONEY at all!
Republicans had the very same 700 billion savings in their BUDGET - yet - they want to lie & turn around & say Obama stole this money from Mediare to fund Obamacare. This wasn't money at all!!!
This 7000 billion - was anticipated saving from waste, prescription drugs & lower Medicare payments to providers - AND REPUBLICANS USED THESE VERY SAME SAVINGS IN THEIR OWN BUDGET!!!
A person or a political party has got to be pretty LOW & SORRY to try to pass off a LIE like this - BUT REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME PROFESSIONAL LIARS - and they have become more skilled at LYING than any group of people in the whole wide world...
You just answered the question asked above by concerned person... When will the left wake up and realize what's going on in this country?

You make that answer obvious....

NEVER
Jane Doe

Durant, OK

#14 Oct 3, 2013
Here we are in government shutdown and people are still being naïve. Obamacare is out to screw Americans, no one wants to read the fine print. I'm disabled due to double nerve disorders and kidney disorder. My premiums take 1/3 of my check as of this month, my deductibles shoot up. I never had a deductible for prescriptions...I do now. As of 2014 if you don't have a Advantage Plan then you have no help with medications because there is no longer Part D for medications. My Advantage Plan is another $90, had no choice because only one provider in my area.

Then there is the microchipping, access to accounts, fines for no getting insured, chance of being fined and even imprisoned by 2015 if not insured. In 2014, if you deny insurance you jeopardize being fined, suspension of license and if you don't pay for 24 months consecutive and your a home owner, they will put a lien on your home. No one wants to find out what the fine print is, if it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is, especially when it has to do with the government.

I thought this was the land of the free?!

“Radical Islam! Radical Islam! ”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#15 Oct 3, 2013
Jane Doe wrote:
Here we are in government shutdown and people are still being naïve. Obamacare is out to screw Americans, no one wants to read the fine print. I'm disabled due to double nerve disorders and kidney disorder. My premiums take 1/3 of my check as of this month, my deductibles shoot up. I never had a deductible for prescriptions...I do now. As of 2014 if you don't have a Advantage Plan then you have no help with medications because there is no longer Part D for medications. My Advantage Plan is another $90, had no choice because only one provider in my area.
Then there is the microchipping, access to accounts, fines for no getting insured, chance of being fined and even imprisoned by 2015 if not insured. In 2014, if you deny insurance you jeopardize being fined, suspension of license and if you don't pay for 24 months consecutive and your a home owner, they will put a lien on your home. No one wants to find out what the fine print is, if it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is, especially when it has to do with the government.
I thought this was the land of the free?!
The democrats won't be happy until they abscond with 2/3rds of your yearly salary and all your life's assets when you die.

All you Topix hood rat suck butts can forget about any "Obama income redistribution".

You gotta be filthy rich and a campaign donor to get any cash redistributed your way.

“Radical Islam! Radical Islam! ”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#16 Oct 3, 2013
And oh yeah...
That "free healthcare" ain't going to be free. The IRS will see you pay your medical bills, whether your dead or alive.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#17 Oct 4, 2013
Jane Doe wrote:
Here we are in government shutdown and people are still being naïve. Obamacare is out to screw Americans, no one wants to read the fine print. I'm disabled due to double nerve disorders and kidney disorder. My premiums take 1/3 of my check as of this month, my deductibles shoot up. I never had a deductible for prescriptions...I do now. As of 2014 if you don't have a Advantage Plan then you have no help with medications because there is no longer Part D for medications. My Advantage Plan is another $90, had no choice because only one provider in my area.
Then there is the microchipping, access to accounts, fines for no getting insured, chance of being fined and even imprisoned by 2015 if not insured. In 2014, if you deny insurance you jeopardize being fined, suspension of license and if you don't pay for 24 months consecutive and your a home owner, they will put a lien on your home. No one wants to find out what the fine print is, if it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is, especially when it has to do with the government.
I thought this was the land of the free?!
Every word you are saying is A BIG FAT LIE!!!

Your claims that there is no longer a PART D MEDICARE. That is funny because - I wonder where my $59.60 a month PART D MEDICARE PREMIUM IS GOING???

Why do you come on this forum & tell such OUTRIGHT LIES???

Just YESTERDAY, I went to the pharmacy & had one of my prescritions filled - using my PART D MEDICARE. I paid the same price that I've paid for months & months...
Jerry

Stroudsburg, PA

#18 Oct 4, 2013
Be afraid and do not believe for a minute that the implementation of Obamacare will be benign. There is no way in hell or heaven that Obama and the IRS will settle for just raising interest rates on the people for non compliance. If left in power or re elected, Obama will ignore the limitations of power written into the law and grow in vicious attacks, direct and indirect on those who do not pay. Why else would Obama have given ‘police’ powers to the IRS, provided for 16,000 new agents and funded these for the next 4 years?
Jerry

Stroudsburg, PA

#19 Oct 4, 2013
The IRS, Obama and Obamacare will gather, use, and sell lists of non-compliant people. Obama will make sure there is a costly price for non-compliance. This will be on and off the radar screen.

Obama ignores rules, laws, our Constitution and ethics now. Do you think he cares even a tinge what the Obama care bill states as limits to the IRS enforcement? No and No. Obama will build an enforcement and threatening nightmare for America with his new ‘bed buddy’– the IRS. He will do this while real health care issues and needs continue to be ignored. The IRS is being trained and equipped to be Obama’s SS. Expect it and fight with everything you have against it.

Obamacare is nothing but a Marxist-Communist weapon and tool designed to crush real health care, competition and freedom. Obamacare is a control over reach that will steal and redistribute our money via, fines and interest increases. Obama and his IRS plans on the seizing of assets and accounts for those who are non compliant. It is part of the original plan and is boldly on its way.
1961 Alumni Rolla mo

Rolla, MO

#20 Oct 4, 2013
Jerry wrote:
The IRS, Obama and Obamacare will gather, use, and sell lists of non-compliant people. Obama will make sure there is a costly price for non-compliance. This will be on and off the radar screen.
Obama ignores rules, laws, our Constitution and ethics now. Do you think he cares even a tinge what the Obama care bill states as limits to the IRS enforcement? No and No. Obama will build an enforcement and threatening nightmare for America with his new ‘bed buddy’– the IRS. He will do this while real health care issues and needs continue to be ignored. The IRS is being trained and equipped to be Obama’s SS. Expect it and fight with everything you have against it.
Obamacare is nothing but a Marxist-Communist weapon and tool designed to crush real health care, competition and freedom. Obamacare is a control over reach that will steal and redistribute our money via, fines and interest increases. Obama and his IRS plans on the seizing of assets and accounts for those who are non compliant. It is part of the original plan and is boldly on its way.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about - all you're doing is parroting what FOX, LIMBAUGH, BECK, HANNITY & the rest of the right-wing noise machine is spewing out!!!

If Obamacare is so bad, why are people who are being touched by it bragging about it so much???

Republicans are AFRAID AMERICANS WILL LOVE OBAMACARE SO MUCH - THE THERE WILL BE NO GOING BACK!

Yes, one day OBAMA WILL BE LOVED JUST AS MUCH AS SOCIAL SECURITY & MEDICARE!

One day, EVEN YOU WILL BE SINGING THE PRAISES OF OBAMACARE...

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