I used to believe but now thanx to a ...

I used to believe but now thanx to a certain someone

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Droopy

Bowling Green, KY

#1 Dec 6, 2012
I believe there really is no god. See i have been a believer most all my life and u know what? nothing has ever went right in my life, so i do believe all that was a myth just something i was taught growing up by other idiots being taught the same thing. The bible was written just like any other book and has been changed many times by who? I have no idea. People are being fed sh*t and they must like eating it. I have come to the conclusion that u live, u wear yourself out, then u die. If there was a god, life would not be so hard for the people who don't deserve to be treated like scum when they have always been the one helping and doing good for other's. Wake up people stop living life for something that u honestly have no way of proving exists! Think about it...u are only living and doing what someone else tells u to. If that god is so great he wouldn't send anyone to hell if he forgives it all! Bad things wouldn't happen to innocent children who are defenseless. It's called letting something control u but yourself.
Hmmm

Jamestown, TN

#2 Dec 6, 2012
We've been having this discussion on another thread. Why does it bother you if you other people believe now that you don't? Shouldn't they have as much right to their faith as you have to live without yours?
Droopy

Bowling Green, KY

#3 Dec 6, 2012
I am not going to argue it with it anyone. I've been on both sides. Why do u think people are so miserable and unhappy these days? It's because someone else is always trying to control them. If people started living their life the way the want that makes them happy, then maybe this world wouldn't be so bad.
Hmmm

Jamestown, TN

#4 Dec 6, 2012
Okay.
PATHETIC

Charlotte, NC

#5 Dec 6, 2012
Droopy wrote:
I am not going to argue it with it anyone. I've been on both sides. Why do u think people are so miserable and unhappy these days? It's because someone else is always trying to control them. If people started living their life the way the want that makes them happy, then maybe this world wouldn't be so bad.
so what you are saying is that if it makes me happy to chop people into little pieces it should be acceptable? Would you like me to elaborate more on your flawed way of thinking?
PATHETIC

Charlotte, NC

#6 Dec 6, 2012
Droopy wrote:
I believe there really is no god. See i have been a believer most all my life and u know what? nothing has ever went right in my life, so i do believe all that was a myth just something i was taught growing up by other idiots being taught the same thing. The bible was written just like any other book and has been changed many times by who? I have no idea. People are being fed sh*t and they must like eating it. I have come to the conclusion that u live, u wear yourself out, then u die. If there was a god, life would not be so hard for the people who don't deserve to be treated like scum when they have always been the one helping and doing good for other's. Wake up people stop living life for something that u honestly have no way of proving exists! Think about it...u are only living and doing what someone else tells u to. If that god is so great he wouldn't send anyone to hell if he forgives it all! Bad things wouldn't happen to innocent children who are defenseless. It's called letting something control u but yourself.
furthermore get over your pitty party, bad things happen to good people...I don't see you nailed to a cross. You are simply an ungrateful person. I guess your life has improved 100% now that you don't believe? Nobody controls you or dictates how you behave, you were born with free will to do as you please, you just may have to suffer the consequences of those free will decisions you make. Now the one thing I don't understand about an atheist is why are you even the least little bit concerned over someone believing in God? Also I can assure you that I can prove He exists easier than you can disprove it...science itself supports the existence of a Creator. Wont it be a sad day for you when you have to face Him?
hog town man

Goodlettsville, TN

#7 Dec 6, 2012
a lot of the stuff in the bible has been proven not to be real
wondering

United States

#8 Dec 6, 2012
hog town man wrote:
a lot of the stuff in the bible has been proven not to be real
I bet there are a lot more atheist out here then ppl thnk..
PATHETIC

Charlotte, NC

#9 Dec 7, 2012
hog town man wrote:
a lot of the stuff in the bible has been proven not to be real
like what? Prove to me there is not a Creator, this has nothing to do with the bible anyway. I would not need to use one single bible verse to prove the existence of a Creator. You are the ones who are hell bent on disproving so the burden of disproof is on you....so state your case without using the bible or religion.
YeahYeah

Kingston, TN

#10 Dec 7, 2012
PATHETIC wrote:
<quoted text> like what? Prove to me there is not a Creator, this has nothing to do with the bible anyway. I would not need to use one single bible verse to prove the existence of a Creator. You are the ones who are hell bent on disproving so the burden of disproof is on you....so state your case without using the bible or religion.
PATHETIC, I'd like to cordially invite you over to a thread called "Honestly Curious and Just Asking." It's a similar discussion, but one I think you will find less likely to get you in an uproar. If you choose not to check it out, that's absolutely fine. I just wanted to make you aware of an opportunity to discuss these things in a thread that has yet to turn into an "us vs. them" type of debate.
PATHETIC

Indian Trail, NC

#11 Dec 7, 2012
YeahYeah wrote:
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PATHETIC, I'd like to cordially invite you over to a thread called "Honestly Curious and Just Asking." It's a similar discussion, but one I think you will find less likely to get you in an uproar. If you choose not to check it out, that's absolutely fine. I just wanted to make you aware of an opportunity to discuss these things in a thread that has yet to turn into an "us vs. them" type of debate.
thanks but no thanks....not in an uproar as I could care less what anyone else believes...its your life and your afterlife so all I can say is choose wisely. What is the purpose of a debate between a believer and a non believer? At least the believer has something of potential value to offer...that at a minimum is hope. What does the atheist have of value to offer? Nothing since have no belief in anything greater than themselves.

Its not a matter of me being right or wrong, nobody will change my belief. I was not raised as a believer, nor am I a bible thumper. My belief has little to do with the bible or religion other than to identify the Creator I believe in. My believe comes from life itself and everything around us.
Hmmm

Jamestown, TN

#12 Dec 7, 2012
We actually have similar views as to God himself, or a "Creator" as you stated. I don't so much see it as a debate, but a discussion. Wouldn't the world be a better place if we could all just openly discuss it without arguing? Or just understand, even if we don't agree, with another point of view?

I'd be interested to hear more about your beliefs and what you think about the Creator. I'm sure others would, too. You never know when your words might touch someone who needs it.
YeahYeah

Kingston, TN

#13 Dec 7, 2012
PATHETIC wrote:
<quoted text> thanks but no thanks....not in an uproar as I could care less what anyone else believes...its your life and your afterlife so all I can say is choose wisely. What is the purpose of a debate between a believer and a non believer? At least the believer has something of potential value to offer...that at a minimum is hope. What does the atheist have of value to offer? Nothing since have no belief in anything greater than themselves.
Its not a matter of me being right or wrong, nobody will change my belief. I was not raised as a believer, nor am I a bible thumper. My belief has little to do with the bible or religion other than to identify the Creator I believe in. My believe comes from life itself and everything around us.
I understand your choice and respect your opinion.

I will say, though, that atheists aren't without hope and do value things greater than themselves. In fact, I'd contend that as atheists don't believe in the after life, their opinion is that they realize the importance of making the most of this life. Doing good without seeking a reward. Avoiding bad things because they're wrong, not because of a threat of eternal damnation.

As I've said several times on the other thread (and as Hmmm has pointed out), it's about discussion, not debate. I have just as much respect for your opinion, PATHETIC, as I would hope others would have in mine.

Good day to you.
Curious

Bowling Green, KY

#14 Dec 7, 2012
For the one's who believe....how long have you been a believer? How many years?
Hmmm

Jamestown, TN

#15 Dec 7, 2012
Personally, I've believed in God my entire life. First through the religion I was brought up in (Christianity) and then, much deeper, once I established my own relationship outside of that. Oddly enough, questioning my religion brought me closer to God in the end. I couldn't reconcile many things in the Bible with the God I knew in my heart. When I finally realized I didn't have to, I was free to really develop and deepen my personal beliefs.

Others need the structure. I say whatever path you take to God is your choice, just as choosing not to take on at all is.
PATHETIC

Charlotte, NC

#16 Dec 7, 2012
YeahYeah wrote:
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I understand your choice and respect your opinion.
I will say, though, that atheists aren't without hope and do value things greater than themselves. In fact, I'd contend that as atheists don't believe in the after life, their opinion is that they realize the importance of making the most of this life. Doing good without seeking a reward. Avoiding bad things because they're wrong, not because of a threat of eternal damnation.
As I've said several times on the other thread (and as Hmmm has pointed out), it's about discussion, not debate. I have just as much respect for your opinion, PATHETIC, as I would hope others would have in mine.
Good day to you.
Question: the values you speak of and this right and wrong....where exactly did these come from? How do we know if something is bad? How do we know that something is good?

Statement: your point about making the most of this life...about doing good deeds without reward is exactly what Christianity is about....you contradict some of your own statements that you have made in the other forum. You expect God to reward you for good you do, but dont understand why he would let a child go hungry.
God doesnt do it, people do it to each other....

So what is you belief on our existence anyway?
Where did we come from?
What is our purpose?

Good day to you as well. I respect your opinion as well.

As stated before my belief in God has nothing at all to do with religion. Regardless of religion I would still believe in a Creator...just too much science will never be able to explain...all science does is convince me further that there is a God.

If people would stop and smell the roses and consider the simple miracle of life alone it would be much easier to see how simple the belief of a Creator (God) is.
believer

Charlotte, NC

#17 Dec 7, 2012
I am a believer, have been all my life. I asked God to come into my heart in 1990. God instills a love in your heart for Him and others when you believe on Him. Life isnt easy. I know. I lost a baby and went through a lot to get through that. That doesnt mean that God doesnt exist because i went through those things. God loves you. He loves you enough that he sent his son to die for you and for me. I didnt deserve it. But He did anyway. Start with John 3:16 and read from the Bible every day. He will show you the way. He "is the way, the truth and the life." Just try God, pray to Him. Talk to Him. He will listen.
Sinner

United States

#18 Dec 7, 2012
believer wrote:
I am a believer, have been all my life. I asked God to come into my heart in 1990. God instills a love in your heart for Him and others when you believe on Him. Life isnt easy. I know. I lost a baby and went through a lot to get through that. That doesnt mean that God doesnt exist because i went through those things. God loves you. He loves you enough that he sent his son to die for you and for me. I didnt deserve it. But He did anyway. Start with John 3:16 and read from the Bible every day. He will show you the way. He "is the way, the truth and the life." Just try God, pray to Him. Talk to Him. He will listen.
Well said. I've had my struggles in maintaining my faith, but after taking a really deep look into what I've always claimed to believe in, both from the Bible's perspective, and from a scientific perspective, my faith has become stronger than ever. Every man is free to choose what they believe. For me, it is hard to ignore what is so obvious. But I can sympathize with those who have a hard time seeing it, and I'm praying for you. Also, take a look at this website: http://www.comereason.org/ . There are many other websites like, but this one does a fantastic job in making the case for Christianity. May God bless you.
tru be lie ver

Lebanon, TN

#19 Jan 27, 2013
there's no such thing as god
Walt Flanagan

Kingston, TN

#20 Jan 28, 2013
Seems the commonality amongst believers is: "and I have been all my life." Fair enough, but it begs the question - what if you hadn't been introduced to religion until age 13?

Or, specific to Christianity, what if you had been born in China, or Tibet, or the Middle East? What would you have believed all of your life then?

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