Copenhagen Cubs & Diehard Hagenhood Facebook

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Observer

Theresa, NY

#1 Sep 2, 2013
As a member to both sites I've noticed some fundamental differences. The cubs page post pictures of all teams. It has been quite positive in its postings with very little commentary. The Diehard page.post pictures from only them cubs team, with a lot of commentary.

The Diehard page boost welcome to post without creating drama,,yet one can read the innuendo behind many of their post. The cubs page has no such issue. Now for the major kicker, the cubs administrator's are keeping things professional. Now today I see their own department members trying to cause issues by asking the administrator about copyrighting questions, again. These questions have been answered very nicely previously along with a request to send questions privately to the administrator.

It's funny no matter how hard the photographer tries to stay out of drama and personalities other members continue to try and cause issues and drama. I believe the one instigating this drama is even the president of the department. I would suggest that the president, who is retired buy his own camera and equipment and start doing the photography for the Diehard Page.

This will eliminate the need for members not supporting the cubs page to even visit that page and allow the rest of us to enjoy it drama free like the Diehard page.
Another Observer

Carthage, NY

#2 Sep 2, 2013
Why is this subject being brought to this forum., If you want to be professional than discuss your issues with the people it concerns.

To my knowledge the questions were asked personally in a civil manner and had actually been asked by many other people besides the President.'
He has done nothing to be disrespectful and has always performed his duties as President in a professional manner and in the best interest of the department. He should be due the same. If the same questions had been asked or explained previously so what...maybe he needed further clarification for his own understanding.
Senior Citizen

Carthage, NY

#3 Sep 2, 2013
After a discussion with the president of the Copenhagen Fire Department, he has informed me that any questions concerning photographs on the cub web site were for his own information and not as president of the fire department. Please note that he is not a professional photographer and also doesn't have the money to purchase photographic equipment. He doesn't even have a camera phone.I agree with the previous poster that this is not the place. to discuss this matter I am not sure if he (president is sure who the administrator of the website is as He was recently informed it has changed and no names were mentioned.
Observer

Theresa, NY

#4 Sep 2, 2013
Another Observer wrote:
Why is this subject being brought to this forum., If you want to be professional than discuss your issues with the people it concerns.
To my knowledge the questions were asked personally in a civil manner and had actually been asked by many other people besides the President.'
He has done nothing to be disrespectful and has always performed his duties as President in a professional manner and in the best interest of the department. He should be due the same. If the same questions had been asked or explained previously so what...maybe he needed further clarification for his own understanding.
It's being brought to this forum so the other 1790 some people that follow the Cubs page don't have to see how childish certain people are being, including the president and the administrator of the Diehard page. If it were me I'd block everyone that is trying to create drama by continuing to ask the same question that has been previously answered again and again in public.

If the people only want to complain about her work appoint a photographer and un follow the cubs. We don't care to see your childish antics anymore. It's the same 6 or 8 people ruining it for the other 1790 some of us. If you guys would stop I too could see our teams photos sooner.
Copenhagen Resident

Carthage, NY

#5 Sep 2, 2013
This particularly observer, if you hadn't started this post I am sure that others would not have answered. This is a free country for all to respond if they want. It's time for this to stop and move on. Also quit blaming the president and administrator.
Copenhagen Resident

Carthage, NY

#6 Sep 2, 2013
To clarify if you don't like what others have posted, don't start the post.
Observer

Theresa, NY

#7 Sep 2, 2013
Went to the parade today, saw that we have almost no one marching. Keep pushing out everyone else till you are the only ones. You've almost accomplished it! Can't you open your eyes and see the impact all the negative from what is going on. Everyone else is watching the demise of a beloved department, built by great men, destroyed by a few.
Another Observer

Carthage, NY

#8 Sep 2, 2013
My name is Lucille. I am the wife of the President of this Fire Dept. I am sorry that you don't seem to think he had the right to ask a question...I don't think that is a crime.
However, I will not sit by and let you ridicule him as I know the work that he has done on behalf of this Fire Dept and the Fire service. He gives it all he has to give and more. He has gone beyond the call of duty not just for the department as a whole but for many individuals as well. He has served close to forty years, not only locally but in the Northern area and the State as well. He has bonded and made many friendships and is respected by many.

As for his question regarding pictures..Actually the mother of the photographer had fb him regarding a question on the pictures as well.

As I understand it, the website was started sometime back by a young member and he decided to pass it on. It was meant to be for the Copenhagen Cubs activities and work as a public relations tool. Now it has mushroomed and stretched beyond that and has lost its original intent. I personally think that it is unfair to block anyone from it.

I worked for a local media and I know they did not have their photos used by others. They did not stamp each one, but it would just say on the photo the media name and individual photographers name. That way if someone liked a photo and wanted a copy they could purchase one. This photographer could put a disclaimer type message at the beginning of the site regarding her photos. Perhaps this would save time.

I do wish this site would go back to the original intent and let everyone enjoy what they want and stop using it as if it is personal property and for personal inuendos . Stop letting personal vendettas consume the time and efforts. It serves no one.
These postings should stop and I probably should not be posting this one, but I know my husband and I know who he is and the kind of man he is and he does not deserve these comments.
Observer

Theresa, NY

#9 Sep 3, 2013
Just a quick question for you Lucille, how is blocking someone on a public site who is trying to cause drama any different than privatizing what once was a public site .(This is what the administrator of the diehard hagenhood site did) This was done to restrict access to the Diehard Hagenhood site because the administrator of site didn't want drama.... Her words.

Your husband knows exactly what he is doing continuing to needle the photographer on the cubs site. Your words say the site was passed on, that means there is no claim to it by the young man or anyone else. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of time.

Now there are other people questioning her about copyrighting, it's funny it's the same group of trouble makers. Get over your selves, follow the other site. There are more than 1790 of us the appreciate how the cubs site is being handled.
Copnhagen resident

Carthage, NY

#10 Sep 3, 2013
It is my understanding that the president was looking for information and not needling the photographer, this was for his own knowledge an d to to needle anyone. You can have your opinion and he can have his and seek knowledge for the members of organization he represents .
Observer

Theresa, NY

#11 Sep 3, 2013
His question was previously answered, I follow the site, then he was asked to private message her. He put it up publicly again, that is childish and harassing. Something that has been going on for months
LUCILLE

Carthage, NY

#12 Sep 3, 2013
wELL,observer who says I am nuts my reply won't be good enough for you so I will let you think about what you have said and take responsibity for yourself and I will do the same. At least I was not ashamed to sign my name.

It seems some people think that only what they say matters and expect the President to be their puppet. I am proud that he is stronger than that and stands by his own convictions. As far as needling someone...he has been needled for everything he does. If something good happens everyone is there to take the credit, but if something turns sour it is always his fault.
He has turned his cheek many times.

Both of these sites have merit and they do not need to compete with each other. There are bigger issues in this community and in peoples lives to be concerned about than this . I know who I am and who I answer to and I know for a fact that it is not you. Have a good day.
Copenhagen resident

Carthage, NY

#13 Sep 3, 2013
I am sure that he is not harassing and he put it up as members asked him to get clarification. Enough said lets move on.
Scott

Theresa, NY

#14 Sep 3, 2013
To the people supporting Copenhagen Cubs , while we appreciate your support. Please let's us handle these issues internally. This same post is on the Copenhagen Cubs Page as well.
sad resident

Carthage, NY

#15 Sep 3, 2013
Scott wrote:
To the people supporting Copenhagen Cubs , while we appreciate your support. Please let's us handle these issues internally. This same post is on the Copenhagen Cubs Page as well.
I couldn't agree more with this post!
It's saddens me too see all this fighting.
just observations

Agawam, MA

#16 Sep 3, 2013
I am wondering why on the cubs one there are tons of photos of other teams but none of our home team? I have been on a couple of the other teams sites and they only have pictures of their own team only and none of any other team....
. Why is our site only have pictures of all other teams except the one the site is named after?
Crazy

Carthage, NY

#17 Sep 3, 2013
I have to be honest, heard all about this stuff and thought who cares. After all, who sits behind a computer and rants slander without writing their names. But now I get it. I dont type behind a mere title to slander, I type to defend. I have followed the cubs page for quite sometime now and got to admit for awhile I wondered where it was headed and thought it was reflective of a young group with girlie picks and whatever. Then it clearly was operated by someone else. Then for awhile again I thought it was getting off topic. not just fire dept brotherhood pictures and community updates but wedding pictures and other stuff. But Then I thought who cares. It is just facebook. But the page evolved. Grew to over 2000 at one time and I thought, kinda cool. Snow drags, drilling and fireservice. Fire dept stuff. The people that run it and wrote lay off topix, Scott, Gretchen and Mike, you operate a great page. forget about all the slander and crap being thrown. Who cares, it is just a facebook page, but one I enjoy. I will listen to you now and get off this site but not before I tell ya, keep it up, the pictures new and old are amazing. The support of other dept is what I joined another neighboring dept for and this is why I support you. I just hope the people with clearly not enough good in their lives stop spreading the negative.
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