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gambling out of control in bartow county!

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Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#1 Sep 1, 2008
When are the Police and Sheriff's gonna do something about it?
These Video Gambling machines have been been outlawed in the state of Georgia.Yet everytime I go into one of these Indian owned gas stations there they are people smoking cigarettes at them,and nobody doing anything about it.
Paying cash to these people right in front of everyone!Some are in back rooms.

I say they should find out when they empty these machines to the company who suppies them then do a massive raid and use the money for other law enforcement work that needs to be done in Bartow County.

I am asking any and everybody who reads this to please contact either the sheriff or city police departments and tell them you want them to put a stop to this illegal activity NOW!

We, American citzens have to know the monies they are taking from the american/Bartow ciounty citzens who are playing them is going over seas.
NO TAXES are being paid to the city,county or the state on that money.

Whats the problem????

Lets do something about it NOW!!!!

Thank you,
Concerned Bartow county resident.
barbie and ken

Douglasville, GA

#2 Sep 1, 2008
So which stores is it?

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#3 Sep 1, 2008
barbie and ken wrote:
So which stores is it?
No, The question is what stores are not!

I have only been in a few stores where I have not encountered these machines.None of the Kangaroo's,quick trip,racetracs have them.There is a shell on 113 next to martins I did not see any there.Conocco does not have any.

The older couple up on 41 at mac johnson rd does not.

Tennesse st across from conoco has them in a back room,the other end of tn street by the theatre has them out front,on 41 just past MLK going to walmart on right texaco has them,Every indian store on cassville road has them,same way on Burnt hickory rd too,the chevron store on the corner across grassdale from quick trip looks like a casino.They pay the players cash right in front of everyone!I asked the clerk he said he was just giving them their money back because the machine broke,I said $500.00??? He ignored me after that.
euharleemom2

Boston, MA

#4 Sep 2, 2008
The store on the corner of Mission Rd. and Burnt Hickory have them on the right side going toward the back of the store......i was very supprised to see so many.

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#5 Sep 2, 2008
euharleemom2 wrote:
The store on the corner of Mission Rd. and Burnt Hickory have them on the right side going toward the back of the store......i was very supprised to see so many.
They are everywhere.Law enforcement is not doing a thing about it either!

I wanna know why Law enforcement is not investigating these stores and why they have not arrested the store owners.
The Georgia law is very CLEAR these machines are not even suppose to be in THE STATE!Possesion of one of them in your home for your own pleasure is a FELONY!What is the PROBLEM?

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#6 Sep 2, 2008
euharleemom2 wrote:
The store on the corner of Mission Rd. and Burnt Hickory have them on the right side going toward the back of the store......i was very supprised to see so many.
Here is some articles to help our Law Enforcement officers do their JOB!

PLEASE READ as you can see other Georgia Law enforcement agencies are getting them out and arresting those who have them in their possesion!

Read here;

ARTICLE #1
By Albert Ross Jr.
Staff Writer

Richmond County vice officers serving a search warrant seized "an ocean" of video poker machines, estimated to be worth millions, from a warehouse Friday afternoon.


Sgt. Greg Smith, of the Richmond County Sheriff's Office, walks past video poker machines in an Augusta warehouse where 4,000 machines were found Friday.
KEVIN MARTIN/STAFF
The seizures came after police were tipped off by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation three days ago, Richmond County Sheriff's Investigator Richard Elim said. The machines - about 4,000, valued at between $7,500 and $10,000 each - and the miscellaneous parts will be confiscated until a court hearing determines whether they are contraband, he said.

Sheriff's investigators served the warrant about 12:15 p.m. at the building in the 2800 block of Wilco Avenue, authorities said. No one has been charged, and two men police didn't identify were allowed to leave.

The building, leased by Collins Entertainment Inc., also will be in temporary custody of the sheriff's office, Sgt. Greg Smith said. Police said the landlord was not aware of the machines in the building.

District Attorney Danny Craig described the seizure as "an ocean of video poker machines."

"It would be the equivalent of machines butted up against each other in rows with enough room between for two people to walk abreast, covering the entire block of Broad Street from Seventh to Eighth," Mr. Craig said.

"We haven't come this close to anything (like this) in Richmond County," Investigator Elim said.

Several machines were labeled with paper stating the games were inoperable and did not have circuit boards in compliance with Georgia law. But Investigator Elim said that wasn't good enough.



Police said the games' owners posted these signs on the machines in an attempt to circumvent Georgia law.
KEVIN MARTIN/STAFF
"It's a way for them to circumvent the law," he said. "The law says you can't even have the machines,(including) any components or parts."

The Georgia General Assembly voted for a statewide ban on video poker machines last year. A Fulton County judge found the ban unconstitutional in January.

The Georgia Supreme Court struck down the lower court's ruling in May, and a federal judge last month upheld the state ban, making it illegal to have the machines. The law took effect July 1.

Investigator Elim said there appeared to be no intent to get the machines out by that time.

Mr. Craig said several charges could result from the seizure on Wilco Avenue, including state racketeering charges. Initially, he said, those responsible would be charged with illegal possession of video poker machines.

"Part of the investigation over the next couple of days is to identify the (company) officers, so that if we determine to bring criminal charges against individuals, we can proceed at that time," Mr. Craig said.

Police tried to contact Fred J. Collins Jr., the owner of Collins Entertainment Inc., but were unable to reach him. A reporter's call to his residential phone listing in Greenville, S.C., was answered by a fax machine.

"He might still be at the beach,(but) he's not a happy camper right now," Sgt. Smith said. "He got the message."

Reach Albert Ross at

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#7 Sep 2, 2008
Article #2

Video Poker Outlets Being Investigated in Dublin, Georgia

The video poker craze is so strong around the United States and the World, that players can find these machines in all kinds of everyday life facilities.

In Dublin, Georgia, the machines apparently have been in convenience stores and gas stations, and when people started losing to much money in these machines, the complaints came rolling in.

Once the complaints came in to the local television stations and news organizations, such as The Courier Herald, they were handed over to the police, who then did their investigation and Wednesday afternoon, served search warrants to many of the stores in question.

People from the town were concerned when they saw yellow tape blocking off some of their everyday stops, such as gas stations and mini marts, but it was later identified that what was happening was the police were serving warrants.

The police investigation has been going on for several months and the findings were, that several places were, indeed, in violation of state laws. The laws state that possessing these video poker machines, "even for amusement purposes", is illegal.

Several people were arrested and Sheriff Bill Harrell said that more information would be available on Friday.

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#8 Sep 2, 2008
ARTICLE #3

GAINESVILLE, Ga.-- Seven convenience stores were affected when Hall County law enforcement officials here made 47 felony charges against 22 people Monday to send a message to those who provide rewards for playing video games, according to The Gainesville (Ga.) prohibits machines that award money or other things of value through chance, including slot machines that offer a match of two or more numerals, symbols, letters or icons. The law does not affect games provided by the Georgia Lottery Corp.Maj. Wayne Mock of the Hall County Sheriff's Office said a 45-day undercover operation resulted in warrants being served at 12 businesses.About 50 electronic gambling machines were confiscated, he said. Mock said thousands of dollars in the machines also was seized in the raid, the newspaper reported. All 22 people arrested were released on bond. The arrests were made at seven convenience stores including two Shell stations and three BP stores. Warrants also were served at Trotter's, Dixie Quik Mart, Hi-Neighbor and Red Barn, the newspaper reported.

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#9 Sep 2, 2008
Article #1

Here is examples of other Georgia Cities and Counties who have put a stop to it!

Richmond County vice officers serving a search warrant seized "an ocean" of video poker machines, estimated to be worth millions, from a warehouse Friday afternoon.



Police said the games' owners posted these signs on the machines in an attempt to circumvent Georgia law.
KEVIN MARTIN/STAFF
"It's a way for them to circumvent the law," he said. "The law says you can't even have the machines,(including) any components or parts."
The Georgia General Assembly voted for a statewide ban on video poker machines last year. A Fulton County judge found the ban unconstitutional in January.
The Georgia Supreme Court struck down the lower court's ruling in May, and a federal judge last month upheld the state ban, making it illegal to have the machines. The law took effect July 1. 2003
Investigator Elim said there appeared to be no intent to get the machines out by that time.
Mr. Craig said several charges could result from the seizure on Wilco Avenue, including state racketeering charges. Initially, he said, those responsible would be charged with illegal possession of video poker machines.
"Part of the investigation over the next couple of days is to identify the (company) officers, so that if we determine to bring criminal charges against individuals, we can proceed at that time," Mr. Craig said.
Police tried to contact Fred J. Collins Jr., the owner of Collins Entertainment Inc., but were unable to reach him. A reporter's call to his residential phone listing in Greenville, S.C., was answered by a fax machine.
"He might still be at the beach,(but) he's not a happy camper right now," Sgt. Smith said. "He got the message."
Milburn Drysdale

Knoxville, TN

#10 Sep 3, 2008
Dearest Master Clampett Sir,

I think you’re verbal arguments lend more credibility as to why the video poker laws should be repealed rather than enforced. It’s a victimless crime. You said yourself that the store owners were making payouts to the players. Where do these winnings go? Why right back into our local economy, that’s where. This helps generate small-scale economic stimulus. The only people getting ‘screwed’ out of anything are the players who willingly choose to throw away their own money (as in not yours or mine) and of course the government by way of unconfiscated taxes. And who really gives a damn about either?

In light of recent spikes in violent crime within the the Bartow community, Law Enforcement officials are currently inundated with tumultuous episodes of malfeasance that I’m sure reside much further up the priority list than the Video Poker menace. Take for instance this Meth pandemic. Now these are some folks I think we can all agree need to be rubbed out entirely, both users and dealers alike! Seeing one of these scourge wander into the convenience stores is much more frightening than some dirty ol’ mouth breather spending his last $10 on games of chance. Lets also take into account these dreaded Mexican Drug gangs, what, with their spray painting everywhere and spreading their violence and mayhem like some malignant brain tumor. Not to mention the illegal immigrant population explosion. Then there’s the multitude of risidual crime as a direct result of all the aforementioned.

Drunk drivers? To hell with them! Lets get those rascally video poker barrons! Yeah right, that’s the direction I want to see the efforts of law enforcement headed. Look. Lets deal with real issues first, then we’ll go after the degenrate gamblers and those who purvey to that sort..…right there next to J walkers and folks who let their dogs poop on public sidewalks.

On a side note, I think you’re true intentions are based more on who the profiteers are rather than the problem itself, and in some ways I’m in agreement on that. In other ways not so. Everytime I walk into one of these places and smell that funky, nasty, smell that is so common with that particular culture I get sick to my stomach and immediately exit the store in a fit of delirious wonderment as to what exactly was so important that compelled me to go into one of these establishments in the first place!

The end result is that these stores are owned and operated by private individuals. Their primary goal is to make profits. If you can prove that those profiteers are somehow infringing on your rights as a citizen then you have a valid complaint. If not, then I suggest giving pause the next time the need arises to visit. Better yet, why give these establishments any of your business anyway? Instead you’ve decided to make them your business instead of minding your own.

I just don’t get it.

Warmest Regards,

Milbrun Drysdale
President – Commerce Bank of Beverly Hills

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#11 Sep 3, 2008
Milburn Drysdale wrote:

The end result is that these stores are owned and operated by private individuals. Their primary goal is to make profits. If you can prove that those profiteers are somehow infringing on your rights as a citizen then you have a valid complaint. If not, then I suggest giving pause the next time the need arises to visit. Better yet, why give these establishments any of your business anyway? Instead you’ve decided to make them your business instead of minding your own.
I just don’t get it.
Warmest Regards,
Milbrun Drysdale
President – Commerce Bank of Beverly Hills
Thats fine and all,BUT The monies are notgoing back into BARTOW COUNTY it's going to Pakistan,India,and to the Muslims.

There is only one or maybe two Store and Machine company owners who are AMERICANS BY BIRTH that are using this money here.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Do your homework before you challenge me to a debate!

The meth problem is horrible,Copper theft is almost out of control,and I fully understand the need to have more officers on our streets looking for drunk drivers BUT A LAW IS A LAW.Is it ok for me to go to Wal mart and run out the door with a Plasma Tv or a Computer system???WAL MART IS A HUGE multi billion dollar corperation.they would never even Miss it talking about a victimless crime....BUT The sheriffs seem to be ok with going up there to prosecute teens for stealing $10 worth of stuff.

These Stores are stealing THOUSANDS out of our economy.Not to say the families at home who are the VICTIMS of the family member with the addiction to these machines.

As I said do your homework before you debate.

Its the Sheriff and City police's job to enforce the laws of this state.

DO THEIR JOB!

Lock up these Store owners,Machine Owners and sieze the money for Law Enforcement.

Since: Jul 08

AOL

#12 Sep 3, 2008
You bore us with your copy and paste jobs Jethro.
Milburn Drysdale

Tallapoosa, GA

#13 Sep 3, 2008
JC Wrote: The monies are notgoing back into BARTOW COUNTY it's going to Pakistan,India,and to the Muslims.

MD replied: I noticed you conveniently left out proof, much less evidence towards your claim.

JC Wrote: There is only one or maybe two Store and Machine company owners who are AMERICANS BY BIRTH that are using this money here…

MD replied: These foreign store owners do live here, have homes here and cars, buy gas for said car, groceries, Cable/Sat TV, clothes, etc. Deductive reasoning clearly indicates that profits earned are being reinvested into our local economy. Just because they happen to be from foreign countries doesn’t mean they don’t spend locally. It’s absurd to think otherwise. Again, where is your proof to back your comments?

JC Wrote: PLEASE, Do your homework before you challenge me to a debate!

MD replied: And I pray that you PLEASE apply common sense before you start demanding this audience blindly follow your inept position on this matter.

JC Wrote: Is it ok for me to go to Wal mart and run out the door with a Plasma Tv or a Computer system???

MD replied: You should be arrested if you do.

JC Wrote: WAL MART IS A HUGE multi billion dollar corperation.they would never even Miss it talking about a victimless crime....

MD replied: Wal Mart IS the victim here Jethro, as well as everyone who shops there. Theft results in higher insurance premiums that are then passed on directly to the consumer by way of price increases. You need a lesson in simple Economics. And to think I’m the one in need of ‘homework’.

JC Wrote:…BUT The sheriffs seem to be ok with going up there to prosecute teens for stealing $10 worth of stuff.

MD replied: And they most certainly should prosecute. See previous comment for further explanation.

JC Wrote:…These Stores are stealing THOUSANDS out of our economy….

MD replied: Stealing is taking from another by means of force or deception. How exactly does this constitute stealing? You’re confusing your terminology. I suggest you consult a dictionary to further educate yourself on the definitions of these terms you carelessly throw around.

JC Wrote: families at home who are the VICTIMS of the family member with the addiction to these machines.

MD replied: It’s been proven since time immemorial that stupidity can’t be legislated. People must learn to take responsibility for their own poor decision making. But that’s a debate for another topic.

JC Wrote:…As I said do your homework before you debate….

MD replied: <rolls eyes> Your poor diction, bad grammar, spelling and typing skills ultimately prove you’re the one who never bothered with homework.

JC Wrote: Its the Sheriff and City police's job to enforce the laws of this state. DO THEIR JOB! Lock up these Store owners,Machine Owners and sieze the money for Law Enforcement.

MD replied: You Marxist’s are always about seizing earnings from others for your own personal gain. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#14 Sep 4, 2008
If you think I am so stupid,Just watch your local news within the next few weeks.

You will see just how easy it is for someone with investigative skills to obtain enough evidence on their own, as a private citizen, to force the law enforcement to do something about it.

You must really live in fantasy land to think the foriegners who own these stores are puting that UNTAXED money in a US bank.

I am however convinced that you are not from this country.You are quick to defend those who are breaking the law.You try to point out good things about the law breakers.

How can you defend a person who is guilty of breaking the laws of this state?

What do you think,The laws don't apply to these Indian store/Machine Company owners?

Are they excluded from Georgia law because they are not born in the United States?

You give me your reason why they should be allowed to break the law and nobody else should?

See,The contradicting remark in your whole rebutal was,"Personal Responsibilty". These store/machine company owners know they are breaking the law.You wanna give them a "Get out of jail free card" "License to Steal".

You call it a "Victimless Crime"?How is not paying taxes on HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars in PURE PROFIT nto a crime against the citzens of the State of Georgia?

I know A LOT about how much these machine make a year,so don't even try and debate the issue.

Its not uncommon for ONE of those games to generate 60,000 dollars a year in profit.

These stores have 5,6,even 12 of them going on Friday and Saturday nights.

I would love to see them legalize them.Charge the Machine owners 25% flat tax on the Net profit machine reading.Thats a good trade off.The store pays 12.5% Machine owner 12.5%.

I'll help you with the math.I used to work for a business that had 18
of these machines,back before they were Illegal.I was in charge of the night deposits.We had to have the Machine company owner come by TWICE a week to empty them.

We averaged $11,000 to $15,000 a week on our end.
For those who dont know,You split the money 50/50 with the company that owns and services the machine.Some split 60/40 some 70/30.We were in a location to die for and the machine owner knew it,thats why we got 50/50.Thats pretty good money for a game that just sits there and takes money hum?

The company used to work for fought hard to keep them legal,paid high price lawyers the whole deal,but it didn't work.

They dont, along with a majority of the other business owners have these machines in their businesses anymore.See they don't break the law.

You want them to watch these Indian store owners break the law and get away with it.

Do you think that is right?

I think you need to understand That "Personal Responsibility" Applies to everyone in the United States.

Because someone is ignorrant enough to spend the families whole paycheck in one of these machines does not excuse the store owners from the law.

Just because there is a market for these games does not give a person a right to break Georgia Law by possesing them.
blowing in the wind

Boston, MA

#15 Sep 4, 2008
I don't think this is about the INDIAN store owners it is if ANYONE has these machines they should be fined and it should happen again the store must be closed down. To me breaking the law is just that. If you sell beer to a minor the store gets in trouble, so why not do something about the machines if they are not leagal. The law is the law.........point blank.
Milburn Drysdale

Knoxville, TN

#16 Sep 4, 2008
Please don’t patronize me with your lame attempts at putting words in my mouth. I’m not condoning illegal activity regardless of how you try to spin your hyperbole. If you would have paid any attention to my initial post you would have understood that my argument was in favor of repealing these hypocritical laws along with enforcement of such being low priority for law enforcement. It really is annoying having to repeat myself.

I am a natural born citizen and probably more so than your self, not that it’s any of your business or relevant to the matter.

So you openly admit that you once supported and condoned gambling by means of video poker when you were earning an income from the trade, yet now that you are no longer you want those who are eradicated. Thanks for at least making your intentions perfectly clear. A clear case of wealth envy pure and simple.

The reason these machines were outlawed in the first place was to quash any competition against the Georgia Lottery. You see, state and federal government has the power to kill any and all competing enterprise by means of legislation against any establishment that might cut into their profit margin. They do this by declaring video poker gambling ‘immoral’ while conveniently ignoring their own hypocrisy of implementing and profiting from the state lottery.“Oh but these monies are funding education!” Sure, but does the state really think its citizens are foolish enough to believe that 100% of the profits go towards education? After all the BILLIONS of dollars in profits earned since the lottery’s inception 15 years ago, why does the State of Georgia rank 41st in education for 2006/07? The government has devised a brilliant plan to raise grotesque amounts of money by deceiving the public while circumventing the free-enterprise market. This sends a clear and powerful message that reeks of pure fascism in its simplest form. If you support this type of ideology then you are entirely against the very principals this great country was built on.

In conclusion, you are asking the readers of this forum to support you in your efforts at forcing a government arm (police) to further enforce corrupt legislation by use of deadly force if necessary, thereby confiscating money earned from private enterprise which is ultimately handed to those who did not earn it. And doing so all in the name of wealth envy.

Again, sir, you are a Marxist Socialist of the worst kind and I despise you and your ilk!

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#17 Sep 4, 2008
Milburn Drysdale wrote:
Please don’t patronize me with your lame attempts at putting words in my mouth. I’m not condoning illegal activity regardless of how you try to spin your hyperbole. my argument was in favor of repealing these hypocritical laws along with enforcement of such being low priority for law enforcement.

Again, sir, you are a Marxist Socialist of the worst kind and I despise you and your like!
That seems to be a contradiction?You make every excuse in the world for the people to have a right to break the law.You call the legislation every bad thing you can think of,BUT yet you say you are not saying its OK to break the law and that the law should be enforced?

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! You sound like John Kerry and Barack Obama in the same breath.FLIP FLOP,FLIP FLOP!YOU have to be a democrat,only democrats talk like that.

Saying that I profited from these machines is not the truth.The company I worked for,Paid me an hourly wage.My wages were not affected in any way, shape, or form by these games.I was working for this business Many years before they brought these games in,and Worked for themn after the games were ruled Illegal.The business I worked for didn't depend on the games for revenue.I'm sure the owner liked the extra money,but I can assure you none of us employee's profited from them.PLEASE READ BEFORE TYPING.

NOW the whole Marxist statement,You have the nerve to call me that?I will reserve comment, forgive you for your own ignorrance.I know if you knew me and my background with this country you would be quick to apoligize.

Nobody should say things like that.

If you wanna talk about my Indian,Muslim statements and consider that racially motivated,I will help you understand.
I know a lot of people in Bartow county who deal with these Indians on a Business level,Both in the Banking industry and Vendor capacity.I would not form an opinion on what they do wth their money unless I had a Informed opinion from people who in private have told me of such dealings.
These people are my friends and maybe they shouldn't be letting some of this stuff out about clients,but hey,I'm glad they do.

Its always wise to study the way of one's adversary.

ADVERSARY? Yeah, They are buying up Americn owned real estate,businesses,ect..WHY? They dont believe in christanity,they dont like us.They will tell you to your face.Indians don't like Americans.

Next time you encounter one ASK.They will tell you.Dont get mad though.

This whole thread is about breaking the law.

Having the Video redemption games is Illegal in the State of Georgia.

I wanna see Bartow County Law Enforcement enforce the laws......NO MATTER HOW TRIVIAL YOU THINK THE LAW IS!
Ellie Mae

Douglasville, GA

#18 Sep 5, 2008
There are machines in the store @ Zenz Drive & US41.
For those of you who don't know, Zena Drive goes to the B C S O.
Cautious in Cartersville

Cartersville, GA

#19 Sep 5, 2008
Speaking of breaking the law. If I parked my "Bread Truck" in the Cartersville Plaza it would get towed by Cartersville's finest. But certain people have the priviledge of leaving it to promote their campaign.

What's fair is fair!!!

Since: Sep 08

Cartersville, GA

#20 Sep 5, 2008
Cautious in Cartersville wrote:
Speaking of breaking the law. If I parked my "Bread Truck" in the Cartersville Plaza it would get towed by Cartersville's finest. But certain people have the priviledge of leaving it to promote their campaign.
What's fair is fair!!!
OH YEAH,
I know exactly what you are talking about.Cartersville's Finest has A Heavey weight sloppy looking cop who acts like Barney Fife of Mayberry.All he does is ride around and wait for someone to pull up to the curb to get their Groceries so he can write them a "Fire Lane" Ticket.He is a real jerk.

Thats some of what Ill's Me.

These Police Officers walk right in these stores with a FULL HOUSE of people Smoking and Playing these machines and DO NOTHING! Double Standard.

I dont think the Police are stupid,Surely they have to know that when you have a LARGE group of people playing Video Gambling/Redemption games,some even standing in line waiting to get to play,They are not playing them for AMUSEMENT?

COME ON? They didn't fall out of a tree or off the back of the Turnip Truck!

ITS CALLED ILLEGAL ACTIVITY! It should be investigated and STOPPED!

If they see a Group of Black Teens hanging out the side of a Street you will see 20 of them show up!

I dont care if it's someone's Mother,Grandmother,aunt, or Gool ole Jim Playing these machines.ITS ILLEGAL TO POSSES THEM IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA!

I want Law Enforcement to do what we pay them to do,and ENFORCE STATE LAWS!!!!!!

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