California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 7, 2010

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Puddys

Covina, CA

#11231 Jul 21, 2012
You all are a bunch of pud-stuffrs.

Now known as a bunch of puddys.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#11232 Jul 21, 2012
CitizenTopix wrote:
Proposition 19 would change California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed:<quote>
no
<quote>- Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use.
- Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older.<quote>
no
<quote>- Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old.
- Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired.
How will you vote on November 2?
no
Cubix

Covina, CA

#11233 Jul 21, 2012
Since most of your comments are just plain crazy.

Just can't stay away, can ya?

Last word will always be spoken by ME.
zigzagman

United States

#11235 Jul 22, 2012
It is not going to happen as people who smoke pot don't vote. They are stoned and forget. It is ok though as when you are stoned nothing matters. It isn't important anyway and really to complicated to think about. Just have a good time and don't let things bum you out. Legal weed doesn't taste good anyway. What would be really cool is if they taxed taxes. They could make billons of dollars if that were legal. I would have to maybe get a job just to pay my tax tax. Whatever............
Gummies

Covina, CA

#11236 Jul 22, 2012
Don't get all the paers wet next time.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11237 Jul 23, 2012
Herbs4Life wrote:
Mary Jane has been oppressed for far too long. Herbs are natural and harmless. People die from abuse of other drugs and that is the difference between herbs and drugs. Weed is here for all of us to enjoy so take advantage.
Herbs4Life.

"Typical" pothead behavior:

Source: http://tinyurl.com/d3bk6vd

Source: http://tinyurl.com/bsobzs9

Source: http://tinyurl.com/7sq83pd

Source: http://tinyurl.com/bp6f44w

Ronald

Since: Jul 12

Lemon Grove

#11238 Jul 23, 2012
legalize it, educate kids from young age the long term problems from prolonged use and parents raise your kids to not do drugs.
SWAG

United States

#11239 Jul 23, 2012
Bull Durham wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a few years on me, I started smoking God's herb in 1969 on the way to Woodstock, too bad I didn't make it,lol. I evidently missed a good party.
My wife and I own and opperate three businesses, we put two children through college and volunteer in the community. Some people still call me a pot head but most of them have passed on now.
There will always be a few that think pot is an evil drug and the person is weak for using it. Their loss, my gain.
In moderation, I will continue smoking good ole sticky bud forever.
Swag

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11240 Jul 23, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Herbs4Life.
"Typical" pothead behavior:
Source: http://tinyurl.com/d3bk6vd
Source: http://tinyurl.com/bsobzs9
Source: http://tinyurl.com/7sq83pd
Source: http://tinyurl.com/bp6f44w
Ronald
If you are going to call it "typical pothead behavior" then you are going to have to do better than your links. First off this behavior is far from "typical" and second your links did not specifically blame the actions on marijuana alone.

The theater shooter link says, "A report of his alleged weed smoking was attributed to the New York Post, but ...

... we couldn't find the story nowhere online. TMZ points to a piece that doesn't mention such toking, saying:

... A man who lived across the street from Holmes told the NY Post he used to "see him smoking weed behind the apartment." He told the paper, "Nobody ever really talked to him. He was alone a lot."

The man was looking "from across the street and could see plainly behind the apartment, whatever. This one is the most lame of your links it even used the word "alledged". What about the other drugs he took that evening, you didn't mention that?


The face chewer link says, "The 31-year-old was once diagnosed with schizophrenia after a misdemeanour arrest, reported Local10. A history of mental illness coupled with marijuana is now being considered as a possible cause of the frenzied attack along the MacArthur Causeway"

The phrase, "Now being considered as possible" doesn't present the conclusions you are trying to sell us. What about his "history of mental illness" could that have been a major factor?

The Baby on roof of car link-

"Police said Clouser and her boyfriend had been smoking marijuana in a park and left with the toddler to buy beer late on Friday night. Officers stopped the car and the boyfriend was arrested for suspicion of driving under the influence while driving with the baby in the 2000 Ford Focus.

Police learned that Clouser was so upset about the arrest that she drove to a friend's home and "admittedly smoked one or two additional bowls of marijuana," Holmes said."

Sounds like alcohol may have played a role in this one and I don't believe that anyone who advocates legalizing medical marijuana would be toking and drinking around a child. Why didn't the police take the child when they arrested the male for DUI? I don't drink and I firmly believe that anyone who does these things with children present should be in jail for a long time. Some people are just unfit to raise children, this case proved that but it failed to prove that marijuana was the sole cause of what happened.

Your last link didn't show me anything about marijuana effects that I could find, just freaky stuff only a crazy person would be interested in. From seeing how much time you put into this attack on medical marijuana, it is evident to me that you must be a drug dealer and fear for your job security.

I have smoked marijuana for 43 years and have never harmed anyone, but then again, I don't drink or do other drugs, not even an asprin.

Now would you like for me to show some links about alcohol abuse and its effects on society? How about the horrors caused by tobacco use through the diseases that it brings. Children can still buy candy cigarettes in Kentucky, now there is something to be upset over.
Valentine

Knoxville, TN

#11241 Jul 23, 2012
Marijuana no thanks i rather keep all my brain cells.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11242 Jul 23, 2012
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are going to call it "typical pothead behavior" then you are going to have to do better than your links. First off this behavior is far from "typical" and second your links did not specifically blame the actions on marijuana alone.
The theater shooter link says, "A report of his alleged weed smoking was attributed to the New York Post, but ...
... we couldn't find the story nowhere online. TMZ points to a piece that doesn't mention such toking, saying:
... A man who lived across the street from Holmes told the NY Post he used to "see him smoking weed behind the apartment." He told the paper, "Nobody ever really talked to him. He was alone a lot."
The man was looking "from across the street and could see plainly behind the apartment, whatever. This one is the most lame of your links it even used the word "alledged". What about the other drugs he took that evening, you didn't mention that?
The face chewer link says, "The 31-year-old was once diagnosed with schizophrenia after a misdemeanour arrest, reported Local10. A history of mental illness coupled with marijuana is now being considered as a possible cause of the frenzied attack along the MacArthur Causeway"
The phrase, "Now being considered as possible" doesn't present the conclusions you are trying to sell us. What about his "history of mental illness" could that have been a major factor?
The Baby on roof of car link-
"Police said Clouser and her boyfriend had been smoking marijuana in a park and left with the toddler to buy beer late on Friday night. Officers stopped the car and the boyfriend was arrested for suspicion of driving under the influence while driving with the baby in the 2000 Ford Focus.
Police learned that Clouser was so upset about the arrest that she drove to a friend's home and "admittedly smoked one or two additional bowls of marijuana," Holmes said."
Sounds like alcohol may have played a role in this one and I don't believe that anyone who advocates legalizing medical marijuana would be toking and drinking around a child. Why didn't the police take the child when they arrested the male for DUI? I don't drink and I firmly believe that anyone who does these things with children present should be in jail for a long time. Some people are just unfit to raise children, this case proved that but it failed to prove that marijuana was the sole cause of what happened.
Your last link didn't show me anything about marijuana effects that I could find, just freaky stuff only a crazy person would be interested in. From seeing how much time you put into this attack on medical marijuana, it is evident to me that you must be a drug dealer and fear for your job security.
I have smoked marijuana for 43 years and have never harmed anyone, but then again, I don't drink or do other drugs, not even an asprin.
Now would you like for me to show some links about alcohol abuse and its effects on society? How about the horrors caused by tobacco use through the diseases that it brings. Children can still buy candy cigarettes in Kentucky, now there is something to be upset over.
wowed.

Well, first of all, there is no such thing as "medical" Marijuana. Marijuana is a dangerous mind destroying, schizophrenia causing class 1 illegal drug. Illegal "Medical" Marijuana is an emotional catch phrase designed to make acceptable dangerous drug addiction - the "foot in the door" tactic.*(so to speak)*

Secondarily, you yourself argue that mind rotting pot is "an associated factor" in the horrible examples I quoted. It is the obverse of the coin that "proves" 400,000 "deaths" are "associated" with beneficial tobacco smoking that schizophrenic potheads regularly pull out of their posterior orifices to "justify" their unquenchable addiction to this dangerous mind destroying pot. This, even though there has never been any reputable medical studies whatsoever proving tobacco use is harmful in any way.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/bw7bhyn

Ronald
test

Guangzhou, China

#11243 Jul 23, 2012
Test
NoBlamer 2012

Mt Meadows Area, CA

#11244 Jul 23, 2012
Valentine wrote:
Marijuana no thanks i rather keep all my brain cells.
good point

you have none to spare

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11245 Jul 23, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
wowed.
Well, first of all, there is no such thing as "medical" Marijuana. Marijuana is a dangerous mind destroying, schizophrenia causing class 1 illegal drug. Illegal "Medical" Marijuana is an emotional catch phrase designed to make acceptable dangerous drug addiction - the "foot in the door" tactic.*(so to speak)*
Secondarily, you yourself argue that mind rotting pot is "an associated factor" in the horrible examples I quoted. It is the obverse of the coin that "proves" 400,000 "deaths" are "associated" with beneficial tobacco smoking that schizophrenic potheads regularly pull out of their posterior orifices to "justify" their unquenchable addiction to this dangerous mind destroying pot. This, even though there has never been any reputable medical studies whatsoever proving tobacco use is harmful in any way.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/bw7bhyn
Ronald
I'm wowed as usual. You reallly need to look at facts before you spout off. You say there is "no such thing as "medical" Marijuana"

"Cannabis has been used for medicinal purposes for thousands of years."

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/ca...

Actually its around 10,000 documented years of medicinal use.

You say, "unquenchable addiction to this dangerous mind destroying pot"

I can show studies that refute these claims, I will search and link them for you if you like.

Myth-

"Marijuana has a higher risk of causing cancer than cigarettes/tobacco"

"No, it doesn't. There has not been one, offical medical study that says so. There have been no links to cannabis and lung cancer."

http://voices.yahoo.com/marijuana-good-evil-2...

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11246 Jul 23, 2012
Ronald,

Your link mentioned that marijuana is not helpful to people with MS, are you sure your link is reputable?

"MS is treated with a wide variety of medications depending upon the presenting symptoms. Many of these medications are powerful and have a multitude of side effects. Cannabis has been reliably reported to help alleviate many symptoms of MS including spasticity, seizures, neuropathy, and depression. Normally, these symptoms are addressed with anti-seizure drugs like gabapentin, carbamazepine, and valproic acid, relaxants like valium and baclofen, and anti-depressants like the SSRIís.

For facts and help with multiple sclerosis please see:

Harvard Intelihealth for MS

MS Society of the UK

National Institute of Neurological Disorder and Stroke

Partial References:

Petro DJ, Ellenberger C Jr., Treatment of human spasticity with delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol. J Clin Pharmacol 1981 Aug-Sep;21(8-9 Suppl): 413S-416S
Clifford DB., Tetrahydrocannabinol for tremor in multiple sclerosis. Ann Neurol 1983 Jun;13(6):669-71
Ungerleider JT, Andyrsiak T, Fairbanks L, Ellison GW, Myers LW., Delta-9-THC I the treatment of spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis. Adv Alcohol Subst Abuse 1987;7(1):39-50
Lyman WD, Sonett JR, Brosnan CF, Elkin R, Bornstein MB., Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol: a novel treatment for experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis. J Neuroimmunol 1989 Jun;23(1):73-81
Molina-Holgado F, Molina-Holgado E, Guaza C., The endogenous cannabinoid anandamide potentiates interleukin-6 production by astrocytes infected with Theilerís murine encephalomyelitis virus by a receptor-mediated pathway. FEBS Lett 1998 Aug 14;433(1-2):139-42
Baker D, Pryce G, Croxford JL, Brown P, Pertwee RG, Huffman JW, Layward L., Cannabinoids control spasticity and tremor in a multiple sclerosis model. Nature 2000 Mar 2;404(6773):84-7 "

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/can_cannabi...

You can go to the link above and see the many, many illnesses that marijuana has been shown to help and they all have references and study results, most all done by top medical researchers at top universities.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11247 Jul 23, 2012
Maybe the THC in marijuana cures cancer, we are learning more every day.

"Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) inhibits epithelial growth factor-induced lung cancer cell migration in vitro as well as its growth and metastasis in vivo

A Preet, R K Ganju and J E Groopman

Division of Experimental Medicine, Department of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA

Correspondence: Drs JE Groopman or RK Ganju, Division of Experimental Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Institutes of Medicine Building, 4 Blackfan Circle, Boston, MA 02115, USA. E-mail: [email protected] or [email protected]"

http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/...

This link included e-mail addresses if you want to check out the source. I actually saw a video of breast cancer sells that had THC introduced and in less than a minute the cancer cells were dead, the study was linked to Harvard University and its medical researchers same as above.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11248 Jul 23, 2012
"Intriguing answers started appearing in the early '90s, when researchers pinpointed receptors in the brain and the body that bind with cannabis. Receptors can be described as locks on the surface of a cell, and when the correct key binds with the correct lock, or receptor, it opens the door and delivers messages. Sometimes, the messages are urgent, for example, that the body is feeling pain, or that there's an invader and the immune system must attack."

"Researchers believe cannabinoids can turn down those messages, helping to temper chronic pain and autoimmune disorders. These special receptors are extremely abundant in the brain, but they are also found all over the body and in the major organs, the heart, the liver, kidneys and pancreas."

"After finding all these locks that accepted the cannabis key, researchers made the next big discovery: The human body makes its own cannabinoids."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-de...

Yep, thats right, you have THC in your blood, you made it yourself. Its as natural as any herb upon the Earth. Its not only a crime against nature to deny man its use, its a crime against God.

The reason I know so much about it is because I wanted to know the truth. I was tired of being told things that I simply did not believe and it usually came from someone who really didn't know the truth anyway.
A Fix

Dandridge, TN

#11249 Jul 23, 2012
It will fix there money issue. YES make it legal and tax it like alcohol. Talk about creating jobs we can put the money waisting DEA out of a job and give it to the people who need it.
Jt shut up

Covina, CA

#11250 Jul 23, 2012
Just need to close this up already.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11251 Jul 23, 2012
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm wowed as usual. You reallly need to look at facts before you spout off. You say there is "no such thing as "medical" Marijuana"
"Cannabis has been used for medicinal purposes for thousands of years."
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/ca...
Actually its around 10,000 documented years of medicinal use.
You say, "unquenchable addiction to this dangerous mind destroying pot"
I can show studies that refute these claims, I will search and link them for you if you like.
Myth-
"Marijuana has a higher risk of causing cancer than cigarettes/tobacco"
"No, it doesn't. There has not been one, offical medical study that says so. There have been no links to cannabis and lung cancer."
http://voices.yahoo.com/marijuana-good-evil-2...
wowed.

Yes. It is difficult to refute "health" "claims" made by those who suffer from long term pot abuse simply because those so addicted are unable to stay focused. This is symptomatic of degenerate synapse related brain damage. One need not argue whether this damage is physiological associated or psychological associated because - for all practical purposes- the effect is the same.

The cannabis link to mental illness among the user has been long known. This is especially true of schizophrenia related maladies that fill the literature. According to a study that was published by the prestigious British Medical Journal:

"The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall...Nevertheless, our results indicate a potentially serious risk to the mental health of people who use cannabis. Such risks need to be considered in the current move to liberalise and possibly legalise the use of cannabis in the UK and other countries."

Of course when one speaks of "the overall weight of evidence", the evidence is clear that, when one plays Russian Roulette, the chance of a bullet being in a spun chamber is only one in six. The fact is, though, that recent medical studies have established the fact that there is a genetic link that determines one's pot/schizophrenia susceptibility. Would you want your children to take such a chance?

Source: http://tinyurl.com/83krjrc

Source: http://tinyurl.com/2bt4nll

Ronald

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