Atheist couple wants 'God' out of Tex...

Atheist couple wants 'God' out of Texas pledge

There are 175 comments on the Denton Record-Chronicle story from Aug 29, 2007, titled Atheist couple wants 'God' out of Texas pledge. In it, Denton Record-Chronicle reports that:

“Children are highly impressionable and subject to peer pressure”

By KATHERINE LEAL UNMUTH / The Dallas Morning News [email protected] A day after thousands of schoolchildren began reciting the revised Texas pledge honoring "one state under God," an atheist couple asked ... via Denton Record-Chronicle

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“Pet me or I'll bite you”

Since: Jul 07

Richardson, Texas

#1 Aug 29, 2007
I predict the court will allow "Under God" to stay in the pledge.

If I'm offended by atheists, can I have them removed from my presence? Perhaps I should take the matter to court. I shouldn't have to spend my day offended by references to unbelievers and lost folks.

Or maybe that's a big waste of time, hmm?
Atheist

Euless, TX

#2 Aug 29, 2007
MJayM wrote:
I predict the court will allow "Under God" to stay in the pledge.
If I'm offended by atheists, can I have them removed from my presence? Perhaps I should take the matter to court. I shouldn't have to spend my day offended by references to unbelievers and lost folks.
Or maybe that's a big waste of time, hmm?
Ok, they complain not because they want "god" taken away from their presence, but because it is unconstitutional to have that in the pledge and it is forcing anothers beliefs onto a person's child. This is supposed to be a free country. But in the south with the deluded theists we probably a while away from a rational state/nation.

“Pet me or I'll bite you”

Since: Jul 07

Richardson, Texas

#3 Aug 29, 2007
Atheist wrote:
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Ok, they complain not because they want "god" taken away from their presence, but because it is unconstitutional to have that in the pledge and it is forcing anothers beliefs onto a person's child. This is supposed to be a free country. But in the south with the deluded theists we probably a while away from a rational state/nation.
You can rationalize 333 prophecies fulfilled with one man? Good luck with that.

Our nation was written with a declaration that our Creator gave us rights, freedoms, and the right to worship. Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a socialist state that considers the government God.

You cannot reconcile the Declaration of Independence or our Constitution without full recognition of our government acknowledging the existence of a supreme Creator.

Why is that difficult for you? Is your life that without worth and unexplainable?

Since: May 07

Montgomery, AL

#4 Aug 30, 2007
Atheist wrote:
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Ok, they complain not because they want "god" taken away from their presence, but because it is unconstitutional to have that in the pledge and it is forcing anothers beliefs onto a person's child. This is supposed to be a free country. But in the south with the deluded theists we probably a while away from a rational state/nation.
oh yeah, well TEXAS WANTS ATHEIST COUPLE OUT OF TEXAS, F*&king heathens
American

Mount Vernon, MO

#5 Aug 30, 2007
They can move to China, I am sure they will feel right at home in that Godless Communist country.

“Back Off”

Since: Jul 07

I live in Texas

#6 Aug 30, 2007
"The U.S. Supreme Court has made it abundantly clear for decades that patriotic tributes to God are allowed under the Constitution," state solicitor general Ted Cruz .
HOLY GHOST

San Diego, CA

#7 Aug 30, 2007
GOD IS

“Pet me or I'll bite you”

Since: Jul 07

Richardson, Texas

#8 Aug 30, 2007
HOLY GHOST wrote:
GOD IS
'bout as simple as it gets.

“He's just this guy, y'know?”

Since: Jul 07

Dallas, TX

#9 Aug 30, 2007
MJayM wrote:
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You can rationalize 333 prophecies fulfilled with one man? Good luck with that.
Our nation was written with a declaration that our Creator gave us rights, freedoms, and the right to worship. Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a socialist state that considers the government God.
You cannot reconcile the Declaration of Independence or our Constitution without full recognition of our government acknowledging the existence of a supreme Creator.
Why is that difficult for you? Is your life that without worth and unexplainable?
Which creator, which religion, which sect of that religion? Now, if you can answer that, then my question would be 'Why?'.

“Pet me or I'll bite you”

Since: Jul 07

Richardson, Texas

#10 Aug 30, 2007
Traumtanzer wrote:
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Which creator, which religion, which sect of that religion? Now, if you can answer that, then my question would be 'Why?'.
Jehovah God.

Why what?

“He's just this guy, y'know?”

Since: Jul 07

Dallas, TX

#11 Aug 30, 2007
MJayM wrote:
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Jehovah God.
Why what?
You didn't say which sect, Baptist, Catholic, 7th day, Episcopal, Mormon, Greek Orthodox? And then, what about the Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto? Heck, even the guy on the corner who says god talks in his ear and wants change for a sandwich. Where do they fit into your view of America? Why should they have to swear an oath to YOUR god?
This really was the point Jefferson and the others tried to put forward with the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses.
And, yes, I prefer the national Pledge the way it was originally written, and it was written that way by a minister. It's actually a bit funny, if you think about it, the word they replaced, indivisible, substituting a phrase that really was exactly the opposite..

“Back Off”

Since: Jul 07

I live in Texas

#12 Aug 30, 2007
Atheist wrote:
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Ok, they complain not because they want "god" taken away from their presence, but because it is unconstitutional to have that in the pledge and it is forcing anothers beliefs onto a person's child. This is supposed to be a free country. But in the south with the deluded theists we probably a while away from a rational state/nation.
Here is a little fact for you pal. It is also "unconstitutional" for the state to tell me when and were I can worship.They as well as you have NO RIGHT what so ever to tell me were and how. If those people dont like it that also have the right to have the kid turn around and not recite it.

“He's just this guy, y'know?”

Since: Jul 07

Dallas, TX

#13 Aug 31, 2007
kd5icr wrote:
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Here is a little fact for you pal. It is also "unconstitutional" for the state to tell me when and were I can worship.They as well as you have NO RIGHT what so ever to tell me were and how. If those people dont like it that also have the right to have the kid turn around and not recite it.
If you believe the issue is that simple, you're deluding yourself. Yes, you can worship how and where you feel like it, but you don't have the right to push that belief off on someone else. Turn the kid around? Hmmm, even better, why don't you have them wear a sign around their neck? That is the idea, right? Make sure those kids are identified and maybe they'll get some religion beat into them?
The interesting thing is, I've actually been there, I was one of those kids in elementary school saying indivisible when the other kids said under god, or not saying anything at all, and it was not exactly a comfortable situation. Kids are impressionable, kids band together in groups, and kids DO persecute those that are different from them, particularly if they think they'll be backed up by the group, be it personal or social. For me, I was a little different perhaps than other children at that age, I had an understanding of paying lip service to something I didn't necessarily believe. This isn't just about atheism either, but also about other religions. I don't think children should have to deal with the feeling that they are outcast, or second class citizens because they don't feel comfortable making that oath. We shouldn't have a state sanctioned religion, the state should not be placing one religion over another. Putting that into the pledge ties the two together.

“Searching for the True America”

Since: Jan 07

Dallas

#14 Aug 31, 2007
You know what is weird, is why did they feel compelled to write this into the pledge now?

What was wrong with it the way it was?

Why did they have to add the part about God?

Wasn't it okay before?

You don't see a lot of people running around wanting to put something in the pledge denouncing God- so why should someone want "Under God" in the pledge?

And I'm not buying the bullshit "so that it is more in line with the national pledge." What a lame excuse to foist religion on EVERYONE.

“Back Off”

Since: Jul 07

I live in Texas

#15 Aug 31, 2007
Traumtanzer wrote:
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If you believe the issue is that simple, you're deluding yourself. Yes, you can worship how and where you feel like it, but you don't have the right to push that belief off on someone else
.
I am not deluding myself. It a fact that those that choose to not beleive want every one to be the same way. See I could care less if you and others dont. I will not cast pearls before swine. It is a fight I will have no part in. But I still dont see were in the constitution were people have the right to not be offended. If you dont want your child to say it then tell them tjhay dont have to. But to tell every child not to is because one or two dont is just as wrong.

“He's just this guy, y'know?”

Since: Jul 07

Dallas, TX

#16 Aug 31, 2007
kd5icr wrote:
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I am not deluding myself. It a fact that those that choose to not beleive want every one to be the same way. See I could care less if you and others dont. I will not cast pearls before swine. It is a fight I will have no part in. But I still dont see were in the constitution were people have the right to not be offended. If you dont want your child to say it then tell them tjhay dont have to. But to tell every child not to is because one or two dont is just as wrong.
Your missing the point. Ok, tell me this. WHY is it there?
And it's not about people getting offended, it's about people being worried about their children, and people being worried about their government. What would you say if it said 'despite god' rather than 'under god'? It is the EXACT same principle, it's just taking another group's viewpoint instead of your own and putting a government endorsement behind it, just tell your kids not to say it every day, have them turn around, so everyone knows where they stand on the issue.
And don't think that everyone who takes a stand against this is against Christianity itself.
appalled

Pasadena, TX

#17 Aug 31, 2007
Jude wrote:
"oh yeah, well TEXAS WANTS ATHEIST COUPLE OUT OF TEXAS, F*&king heathens"

"You will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:16. You sure showed that evil Atheist how to be a Christian, didn't you? So proud of you! Way to go! Do you know what God's greatest gift is? Free will.

Do you know what Jesus said to those who would judge another? "He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her." John 8:7 You must be perfect Jude. Just keep lobbing those stones. Surely you'll make this world a better place.

“Back Off”

Since: Jul 07

I live in Texas

#18 Aug 31, 2007
Traumtanzer wrote:
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Your missing the point. Ok, tell me this. WHY is it there?
And it's not about people getting offended, it's about people being worried about their children, and people being worried about their government. What would you say if it said 'despite god' rather than 'under god'? It is the EXACT same principle, it's just taking another group's viewpoint instead of your own and putting a government endorsement behind it, just tell your kids not to say it every day, have them turn around, so everyone knows where they stand on the issue.
And don't think that everyone who takes a stand against this is against Christianity itself.
Ok worried about the children. I would think that with drugs and violence that would be more of a problem then to say under GOD. How about just getting good grades? Playing a sport or what ever. But to fret over something as mudane as under GOD is folly. And as far as the legal end lets look at that. In that sludge pit called California they make children read the koran but they cant read the bible. were are you haters for that? wait lets look look at the other pit Ney York, They have a school just for islam were is the outrage? See when it comes to christans we have to fight tooth and nail just to be heard. I was always taught that the majority rules, Then why should we bow down to the minority? It is a matter of freedom and just because a few GOD hatters dont like it we should have to give in to that and stop for the benifit of a few.
Go west little doggies

AOL

#19 Aug 31, 2007
Jude H wrote:
<quoted text>oh yeah, well TEXAS WANTS ATHEIST COUPLE OUT OF TEXAS, F*&king heathens
send 'em to the west coast with the rest of the tree huggin', Godless heathens.

do i hear an AMEN?????
LcalvinG

Tucson, AZ

#20 Aug 31, 2007
MJayM wrote:
I predict the court will allow "Under God" to stay in the pledge.
If I'm offended by atheists, can I have them removed from my presence? Perhaps I should take the matter to court. I shouldn't have to spend my day offended by references to unbelievers and lost folks.
Or maybe that's a big waste of time, hmm?
AMEN!!!

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