Parents of special-needs students say Bloom-Carroll shorting kids; administrators disagree

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Eighth-grader Benjamin Barlow, who has Down syndrome, is sometimes excluded at Bloom-Carroll Middle School, his parents say.

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#124
Feb 3, 2011
 
Meeting Feb. 15: I think it would be very helpful to provide a written statement of our experiences and concerns regarding the special
ed services at BC. Going to the meeting and speaking up is very helpful, but probably not enough.

Also, spread the word to any parents that you know who have pulled their children out of BC, and ask them to write down their story as well.

Otherwise, the auditors will probably not get an accurate picture, because from the postings, it seems that a common pattern is for parents to send their children elsewhere after seeing that they are just not going to get the help that they need.
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#125
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...An intention for balance and cooperation: There are many wonderful teachers and administrators at BC. Good people, working hard.

The issue of how to provide for special needs children as well as typical children is challenging for all school districts, not just BC.

We have a great opportunity now to work together...each side listening to the other, with the help of an interested third party. We have a chance to improve the system at BC if we all work together.
Thomas Krystal

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Get out of my school district,you shrieking and greedy harpy.
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#127
Feb 4, 2011
 
Thomas Krystal wrote:
Get out of my school district,you shrieking and greedy harpy.
We had to pull our kids out of there because we did not want them exposed to corruption.
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gladysrosamond wrote:
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That's right, they are handicapped, so don't try to merge them into a group of kids who are not handicapped and have them struggle to try and keep up. Send them to a special school with special teachers who are trained to work with these kids and bring them to their fullest potential. A school with an understanding and accepting atmosphere. Sorry, but kids are cruel at any age and struggling kids don't deserve cruelty. I realize parents have hopes and dreams; everyone does for their children, but don't handicap these children further by forcing them into a situation where they are the last chosen, the class lowest, the student no one expects anything from, etc. This is reality, not my being ill-informed, as you choose to hide behind.
Yes...yes, yes. My nephew who is ADHD definately needs a special school. By no means is he intellectually challenged, but he can't pay attention for long. When he gets frustrated he gets physical.

To place him a regular public school not only disrupts the entire class, kids who could learn if not for him, but it makes of him 'the criminal' in the group. He's treated as inferior and as a social outcast.

Now that he's in an ADHD charter school, he's top of the class, because he really is quite bright, and the teachers there know how to reach him and how to educate him. Thanks to this opportunity, I have every faith he's going to be the best he can be. By the time he grows into it and learns how to control himself, he'll have an education, too.

WINWINWIN.

For parents who want their kids mainstreamed, ask yourselves this. Will your child ever live a mainstream life - go to college, get married, buy a house, have children, wait to retire? Is this really on the plate for your child?

If not then let him be the best he can be in a situation where he doesn't have to feel 'different.' Inferior. Outcast. Maligned. Give the kid a break, please. He's got it hard enough. Forcing him to make you 'normal' is a fate worse than death. In the meantime, he should have plenty of opportunities to mingle in the mainstream. Family, neighborhood, church, and whatever extras you can arrange, too. Let them live in peace.
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Get out of my school district,you shrieking and greedy harpy.
That's hilarious. Maybe we can have a couple of beers together at the tavern.
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That's hilarious. Maybe we can have a couple of beers together at the tavern.
Humm, I might have to reconsider my hasty assessment of you.
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Humm, I might have to reconsider my hasty assessment of you.
Yep. Meet you at the tavern. You can't miss me. I'll be the one with the wings, bein all shrieky n freaky and whatnot...
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WHS76 wrote:
<quoted text>I must agree
How RUDE & selfish you are ...... schools should provide for ALL kids. Your attitude isn't uncommon, unfortunately!
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Yep. Meet you at the tavern. You can't miss me. I'll be the one with the wings, bein all shrieky n freaky and whatnot...
Wings would be a wonderful addition to any tavern in a rural area. Just don't try karaoke with them on.
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I have a physical disability and was placed in P.E. classes with "regular" kids. I was yelled at daily by the teacher for not fully participating. I was a good student academically, and just wonder what it must be like for someone with a learning disability.
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Wings would be a wonderful addition to any tavern in a rural area. Just don't try karaoke with them on.
Too late.
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I dont know what to say, I had a learning disability and I accepted the fact I can never go to college,even community college.I passed my GED and no one sees how I did it. I just wanted a happy life,have a wife,family a career etc. I never got it. I had the same job for 20 years,I drive a car.I hate my life and I blame being LD
for it. I feel for these kids who have to live in a world with people who do not understand. I had trouble holding down jobs at first,it was not because of not trying. I just wish my life was different and better.
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I dont know what to say, I had a learning disability and I accepted the fact I can never go to college,even community college.I passed my GED and no one sees how I did it. I just wanted a happy life,have a wife,family a career etc. I never got it. I had the same job for 20 years,I drive a car.I hate my life and I blame being LD
for it. I feel for these kids who have to live in a world with people who do not understand. I had trouble holding down jobs at first,it was not because of not trying. I just wish my life was different and better.
Not that this is meant as consolation, but we've got several lost generations floating around. That's a travesty.

The education institution has decided it knows what's best for everybody, and that simply isn't possible. In the meantime, I don't think they're actually listening to the people who've been through it.

If you've got a few minutes, can you give us some idea of what it's like to be LD in a modern school setting? What parts do you feel were of benefit to you, and what parts failed you? We the People truly want to make improvements to the education our kids are getting. They're leaving it to us to tell them what's wrong with it.
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I have a physical disability and was placed in P.E. classes with "regular" kids. I was yelled at daily by the teacher for not fully participating. I was a good student academically, and just wonder what it must be like for someone with a learning disability.
Contrary to your name, you do have a point? And it matters.

Care to expand and tell us more, please?
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Contrary to your name, you do have a point? And it matters.
Care to expand and tell us more, please?
I guess my point is that it hurts to be different and to be singled-out repeatedly and very publicly.

At the beginning of the school year, the P.E. instructor told us that if we had any physical limitations that we were old enough to tell her ourselves, and that she didn't need "mommy" calling her. So, I told her about the disability that I had as a result of a birth injury. Every day in P.E., she would yell "you have 2 arms! Use 'em!"

Finally I had my mother call her, and she admitted that she thought I was lying to get out P.E. I still can't stand participating in any type of group exercise. I tried going to aerobics class one time and when I couldn't do all of the exercises, it brought back all of the old frustrations and the anger.

I don't know if there's much of a point in that story, just my particular experience. Thanks for asking.
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Not that this is meant as consolation, but we've got several lost generations floating around. That's a travesty.
The education institution has decided it knows what's best for everybody, and that simply isn't possible. In the meantime, I don't think they're actually listening to the people who've been through it.
If you've got a few minutes, can you give us some idea of what it's like to be LD in a modern school setting? What parts do you feel were of benefit to you, and what parts failed you? We the People truly want to make improvements to the education our kids are getting. They're leaving it to us to tell them what's wrong with it.
Ok I will tell you,I am from the older days when there was no help.
In a modern setting you just failed in school,The teacher and principal said you could do better if you would just try and acuse you of being lazy. If you were in special ed at the time you just sat in a classroom
and hardly anything was expected from you,you were taught very little.
Most of the days you played games.
In my earlier elementary years I was in special ed and were segregated.
We started school 15 minutes later and let out 30 minutes early,We had to go in a certain door,use a certain restroom by the gym.Had lunch in the classroom and the teacher went to the cafeteria and got our milk.
We had recess by ourselves.
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For parents who want their kids mainstreamed, ask yourselves this. Will your child ever live a mainstream life - go to college, get married, buy a house, have children, wait to retire? Is this really on the plate for your child?
Apparently you have no idea how hurtful and hateful your attitudes and policy recommendations are.

I have raised a child to (legal)adulthood, although he continues in school and has not yet achieved a high school diploma. Is he "slower" than other students? I wouldn't necessarily say so, although he has had some difficulties. But, I have heard so many sing that sad old song about the special place where there are specially trained teachers who could help him at his own place. As I have told people many times, I have been over that hill many times and when you get there, nothing is any better, just different with different people. The more "special" the teachers and environment, the less likely that there was any contact with regular curriculum and learning. As a result, there was never any real possibility of overcoming and getting back into a regular classroom. It is true that in a separate school, just for the "special" kids (one of the bus drivers told me "they aren't disabled, they are just bad"), there are fewer students, teachers and parents who want your child to go somewhere else. But there are still some. Especially if you are a parent who actually believes that your child should be getting an education and showing some measureable progress.

Let me ask you this. Where do you think that there is an adult life that is not "mainstream"? Where are the special jobs, the special homes, the special neighborhoods, the special marriages? In the United States we identify somewhere around 16-17% of our students as "special." Are we prepared to support these students in special lives as adults?

We still have far to go in educating students with disabilities (and did you know that about 80% of students with disabilities are of normal or above intelligence?). As they say, IDEA just got them in the door. We still have to work at seeing that there is an education for them within that building.
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PostScript: I agree that your nephew is probably in the best place for him. You raise some valid points. Sometimes, an alternative school is the best choice, especially given the current environment at schools like BC.

However, your nephew is also a bit unique--ie, he is fortunate to have parents able to advocate for him, and to have found an alternative school that is better for him, and to have a means to get to that school each day. This is not the case for all special-needs kids.

Somebody's Mom:..I can tell you've been through alot of pain. Ditto that. Glad you're speaking up. You raise many good points. Can tell you've walked the road and have wisdom to share. Hope you're going to the meeting or writing your story to send in. There is a notice on the BC website with an address and a deadline to send in comments.

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