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Feedback mixed on Bloom-Carroll's special-education services | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 24 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Feb 16, 2011, titled Feedback mixed on Bloom-Carroll's special-education services | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Some parents of disabled children in the Bloom-Carroll school district gave state education officials an earful at a public hearing last night, saying that district officials are not providing the proper special education that federal law requires.

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yeah

Columbus, OH

#1 Feb 16, 2011
We were at Bloom Carroll schools for my daughters 1-5 grades. She had a small reading comprhensive problem. They pulled her out of class 1 day a week for about 20 minutes and they said she was getting help.
I took it to the principal stateing that I was not happy, she is still failing tests and kids were bulling her.
Nothing was done. for those 5 years! Very disappointing.
We have 2 younger boys also and decided that we were not going to put up with a school that did not see the children as important enough to help for more than 20 minutes a week.
We moved and during her 6th grade year, she had nothing lower then a B. She is know in high school and in 4 honors classes and this is without an IEP!
Bloom Carroll lies to their voters time after time and refuse to help children that need that extra help.
Good luck to all those that are having trouble. Moving is not the answer, but please think of your kids furture......it was well worth the move for us!
WHS76

Reynoldsburg, OH

#2 Feb 16, 2011
Lets face it the couple that brought this complaint probably had a grudge against the school system or something not to there liking so they had to find something to complain about.Since they did not get there way.
WHS76

Reynoldsburg, OH

#3 Feb 16, 2011
yeah wrote:
We were at Bloom Carroll schools for my daughters 1-5 grades. She had a small reading comprhensive problem. They pulled her out of class 1 day a week for about 20 minutes and they said she was getting help.
I took it to the principal stateing that I was not happy, she is still failing tests and kids were bulling her.
Nothing was done. for those 5 years! Very disappointing.
We have 2 younger boys also and decided that we were not going to put up with a school that did not see the children as important enough to help for more than 20 minutes a week.
We moved and during her 6th grade year, she had nothing lower then a B. She is know in high school and in 4 honors classes and this is without an IEP!
Bloom Carroll lies to their voters time after time and refuse to help children that need that extra help.
Good luck to all those that are having trouble. Moving is not the answer, but please think of your kids furture......it was well worth the move for us!
That is the way to do it.DO NOT LIKE IT THEN MOVE.You do not have to bring the system down with you.
WHS76

Reynoldsburg, OH

#4 Feb 16, 2011
You can expect the state to find some problem.
To me it seems like when you get any government agency they find something wrong. To me it is sour grapes by those famalies that have not gotten there way with the district Just trying to get back at the districit.
yeah

Lima, OH

#5 Feb 16, 2011
The downfall of moving was trying to sell our house. We had a family wanting to buy and went to visit the school. They have a daughter with a brain tumor, but still very functual, although needed help with certain things. When this was expressed at the school they recommended that they do not buy in their school district.

She was floored and so was I. I called the school to talk to this person and they said they did not want to comment. Funny, I even worked for the school when I lived out there. I saw first hand on how they really do not want to help, it seems like they treat the kids as a problem.

Still, one should not have to give up their home, especially if they have other kids that do not need extra help.

I have been supeoned to court once in Fairfield County for one other family against Bloom Carroll. That was over 5 years ago. It is a shame that they can not pull it together.

Since: Jun 10

Canal Winchester, OH

#6 Feb 16, 2011
It has long been obvious that most state and local education officials need a "special education".
They just don't know enough to be effective. At the level of influence and income these persons enjoy, you'd think they could do much better.
Education should not be a subject for continuous controversy.
Anonymous

Columbus, OH

#7 Feb 16, 2011
I think Bloom Carrol has enough to take care without trying to care for special needs children. Not to sound heartless, but my children attented BC and they have always been behind, usually for lack of funds. I love the fact my children attended BC, because there is so much to be said of small schools and everyone knowing each other, and most of the teachers were great. I didn't even know special needs children attended Bloom Carroll, and not to sound heartless once again, but I thought that is why special needs schools are out there. In all honestly, I don't feel this is fair to the BC children w/o special needs.
Will Burns

Seattle, WA

#8 Feb 16, 2011
I was at the public meeting last evening. What was a common them withb the "happy parents" was that they had a connection to the school in that they recieved a pay check from the taxpayers of Bloom Carroll.

The only parent that I thought was expecting more than they should was Mrs Dawson with the two kids that have Cystic Fibrosis. She should have never had the second child given they high probablity it too would have Cystic Fibrosis also. Not only did she bring another child into suffering but now things the taxpayers should provide a sterile environment.
Anonymous

Dallas, TX

#9 Feb 16, 2011
Replying to Will Burns: First let me say that it's not a sterile environment that's being requested. It's an environment that is reasonably safe, maintained and not full of mold, fungus and asbestos. The poor conditions at BC have nothing to do with the age of the building but everything to do with the fact that they haven't been maintained and that repairs never get done. There are plenty of old buildings that are perfectly safe for people with chronic lung conditions. Sending a cf child to BC would be just like sending them into a burning... The may make it out with a little smoke inhalation but it's much more likely they will not make it out at all.

To respond to your opinion about having the second child... I don't even know where to start. That's highly offensive. You can't possibly know the circumstances surrounding this situation. Furthermore, this child only had a 25% chance of having CF. That's not a high probability. Regardless, the child is a gift. How do you think she'd feel reading your comments? I'm sure she's thankful for the life she's been given and has more character and strength because of her challenges. Maybe you could learn something from her as I'm sure many others have.
reader

Defiance, OH

#10 Feb 16, 2011
here we go again
gladysrosamond

Columbus, OH

#11 Feb 16, 2011
Take your special needs kids to special needs schools and quit trying to mainstream them in with normal children; thus holding back the normal children in their classes while inordinate time and effort are given to the special needs students to try to bring them up to speed. Cystic fibrosis and this woman wants these kids in regular classes. That would be laughable if it weren't so crazy. As I've said before, I realize it's heartbreaking when your child is special needs. However, that does not necessitate the rest of the school district to suffer while you whine, P*ss and moan to get your child into regular classes and then the rest of the students have to put up with the aforementioned extreme efforts to bring that CF child up to speed. It's just not right and you should be ashamed.
Anonymous

Dallas, TX

#12 Feb 16, 2011
gladysrosamond wrote:
Take your special needs kids to special needs schools and quit trying to mainstream them in with normal children; thus holding back the normal children in their classes while inordinate time and effort are given to the special needs students to try to bring them up to speed. Cystic fibrosis and this woman wants these kids in regular classes. That would be laughable if it weren't so crazy. As I've said before, I realize it's heartbreaking when your child is special needs. However, that does not necessitate the rest of the school district to suffer while you whine, P*ss and moan to get your child into regular classes and then the rest of the students have to put up with the aforementioned extreme efforts to bring that CF child up to speed. It's just not right and you should be ashamed.
You clearly have no idea about what cystic fibrosis is as evidenced by your ignorant statements. It's not a matter of bringing them up to speed. They don't have mental deficits unless caused by a districts mishandling of their physical disability and the absences that occur as a result. These children are mainstream and belong in regular classrooms. Regardless, it's the responsibility of the school system to provide and education to all children, even those with cognitive disabilities. Your statements are highly discriminatory as well as ignorant. If you don't want your child to be educated with disabled children then perhaps it's you that should place your child in a private school.
Will Burns

United States

#13 Feb 16, 2011
65Roses wrote:
Replying to Will Burns: First let me say that it's not a sterile environment that's being requested. It's an environment that is reasonably safe, maintained and not full of mold, fungus and asbestos. The poor conditions at BC have nothing to do with the age of the building but everything to do with the fact that they haven't been maintained and that repairs never get done. There are plenty of old buildings that are perfectly safe for people with chronic lung conditions. Sending a cf child to BC would be just like sending them into a burning... The may make it out with a little smoke inhalation but it's much more likely they will not make it out at all.
To respond to your opinion about having the second child... I don't even know where to start. That's highly offensive. You can't possibly know the circumstances surrounding this situation. Furthermore, this child only had a 25% chance of having CF. That's not a high probability. Regardless, the child is a gift. How do you think she'd feel reading your comments? I'm sure she's thankful for the life she's been given and has more character and strength because of her challenges. Maybe you could learn something from her as I'm sure many others have.
25% when dealing with a life and one of suffering is too great a risk. She should have used birth control instead of being selfish. I have no issue with her wanting to be a mother. She and her husband could have screwed like rabbits will using birth control and have adopted.

As for the asbestoes the worst thing is distrubing it. Are the children at BC running loose rubbing brooms on old pipes? I certainly hope not. The mold and fungus are cleaning issues. I did hear Mrs Dawson claim her son in second grade was very sick from fungus, But can she prove the spores came from BC and no where else?
Ruby

Pickerington, OH

#14 Feb 17, 2011
I am not on the side of the complainers...but I have to say...Will Burns...you are a cruel person. How dare you say who should have children and who should not. That is insensitive and uncalled for.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#15 Feb 17, 2011
Will Burns wrote:
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25% when dealing with a life and one of suffering is too great a risk. She should have used birth control instead of being selfish. I have no issue with her wanting to be a mother. She and her husband could have screwed like rabbits will using birth control and have adopted.
As for the asbestoes the worst thing is distrubing it. Are the children at BC running loose rubbing brooms on old pipes? I certainly hope not. The mold and fungus are cleaning issues. I did hear Mrs Dawson claim her son in second grade was very sick from fungus, But can she prove the spores came from BC and no where else?
I refuse to respond to your insane statement about who and who does not deserve to live. Ruby is right... you are a cruel person. But I will say that when asbestos tiles are chipped and broken, and when water runs down asbestos insulated pipes, asbestos can be disturbed. The water intrusion problems at BC are well known and many of the tiles are in poor condition. And mold and fungus can be cleaning issues, but they are also maintenance issues and repair issues. Unfortunately, if you don't correct the problems causing the mold, cleaning the mold is useless. The district does nothing to fix problems and they spend no money on maintaining their buildings. And that's not likely to change, especially while they are trying to prove their need for new buildings. This district has been very open about the condition of their buildings. So there isn't just smoke posing a danger for these kids, there is fire! I don't know a parent out there that would send their child into the flames.
dontyaknow

Columbus, OH

#16 Feb 17, 2011
As a single parent of a child who requires extra attention, I certainly think first of all that all teachers and staff deserve more credit than often given. Anyone who has ever dealt with a child requiring more attention knows it's not easy with one child. Put yourself in a teacher's shoes and work with several at once. Yes, that's what they are qualified to do but in reality, aren't there times when your child doesn't get 100% of your attention. It also seems that a lot should fall on the parents as well. In Mrs. Hite and Mr Johnson's cases, they are very involved with their children and spend countless hours doing their part to help with their child's education and development. Without naming names, one of the persons who spoke failed to mention that their child had repeatedly exposed himself to the class, attempted to stab another student with a pencil, and furthermore threatened to shoot a teacher. It seems obvious that disciplinary action was needed and was properly handed down. It's quite easy to blame someone else when your child spends less time with you than a teacher or their other parent. Maybe instead I should say it's easy to shift the blame when you so choose not to spend time with your child rather you spend your time looking to down someone else. To all teachers and school staff, thank you! Please continue to help improve our children's lives as you have already done for so many.

One question I would bring to the table is for the Berry family. Will Amanda not accept your 2nd child through open enrollment so that your children could both go to school together? It seems to me that if the special needs child is having success that you would have an easier life with them together even if it means the 2nd child isn't where you originally planned. That brings other questions to mind. What school district do you reside in? Without saying your opinion doesn't count when it comes to your children but, what right do parents have to question a schools program when their child is no longer associated with that school's program? I understand you have a child in BC schools but you contradicted yourself by saying you have 2 children in the school system yet one is now in Amanda's system. Just curious how that adds up.
Ellie Hite

Columbus, OH

#17 Feb 17, 2011
Will Burns wrote:
I was at the public meeting last evening. What was a common them withb the "happy parents" was that they had a connection to the school in that they recieved a pay check from the taxpayers of Bloom Carroll.
The only parent that I thought was expecting more than they should was Mrs Dawson with the two kids that have Cystic Fibrosis. She should have never had the second child given they high probablity it too would have Cystic Fibrosis also. Not only did she bring another child into suffering but now things the taxpayers should provide a sterile environment.
Mr. Burns,
I was also at the meeting. I am one of the "happy parents". My comments are mentioned in both The Dispatch and The Gazette. Your statement is either in error or I am interpreting it wrong. I do not have any affiliation with Bloom Carroll Schools other than I am a parent of enrolled children and I live in the district and pay taxes to the district. I have not ever received a paycheck in the past or currently from the tax payers of Bloom Carroll.
dontyaknow

Columbus, OH

#18 Feb 18, 2011
Not sure how many people know the answer to this but how many people are weighing in that don't even have kids? Question was especially for Mr Burns. I understand the concern about tax dollars but how many tax dollars were used to issue permit after permit after permit on reconstruction of a home straight across from the elementary?
fedup

Columbus, OH

#20 Feb 18, 2011
WHS76 wrote:
<quoted text>That is the way to do it.DO NOT LIKE IT THEN MOVE.You do not have to bring the system down with you.
Unfortunately, in this economy, some people can not just up and move. Furthermore, they should not have to! BC as well as all public schools are required to provide a free and appropriate education in the least restrictive environment. Why should families have to move due to the fact that the school system does not want to comply.
fedup

Columbus, OH

#21 Feb 18, 2011
I commend Ms Dawson for fighting on behalf of her children! I also commend all of the other parents who are standing up for their children! As a parent of a special needs child, I know how difficult the process is. It is sad and sick that many of us have to fight this battle. ALL children deserve an education in the public school system. To the people who say it is hurting the "typical" children, you could not be further from the truth! It teaches other children to be respectful and compassionate, which clearly you people are lacking. School is not just about math, reading, science ect, it is also about teaching life skills. The fact is, there are people in this world with special needs and they deserve as much respect as any one of us. People who don't see that are the problem, not the people with special needs. We all have feelings, maybe you should ask your self how would YOU feel if you were in the same situation as these families. Its not a fun battle, but it is one well worth fighting!

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