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RSRS

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1 Apr 28, 2008
Mr. Hey & Mr. Poor,

I would like to know how I may get a ordanance passed preventing ellected officials and city employees from bidding on / selling services to the city, i.e. lawn service, selling of uniforms, etc.

I feel that this is a conflict of interest and the people who are working for the city are using their position to line their pockets with the voters tax money.

So where do I start???????
Matt Hay

New York, NY

#2 Apr 28, 2008
RSRS wrote:
Mr. Hey & Mr. Poor,
I would like to know how I may get a ordanance passed preventing ellected officials and city employees from bidding on / selling services to the city, i.e. lawn service, selling of uniforms, etc.
I feel that this is a conflict of interest and the people who are working for the city are using their position to line their pockets with the voters tax money.
So where do I start???????
Contact me and I would be happy to talk about it and see what we can do.

mhay1204(at) charter.net

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#5 Apr 30, 2008
This is a interesting subject. I'm not really sure what officials sell their services to the city and I'm also not sure what city employees sell services to the city.

I do know that Mr. Cooley does the work around the flower beds at city hall but is he paid for this or is he just keeping the area around the memorial looking nice at his own expense?
Randy Crisler

AOL

#6 May 1, 2008
Shirley,
All of his time is donated. Frequently so is his equipment.There are several of us on the council that do many things outside of our scope as elected officials. I myself have provided sound systems for outdoor events and have never charged the city a dime for it.

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#7 May 1, 2008
Randy
Thanks for the answer. I thought that he donated his time for this but wasn't 100% sure. I am certain that some on the council do things for the city and don't charge for it.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#8 May 2, 2008
In my 5+ years on the council, I have never known a council person to charge the city for any services provided. I am curious as to what this topic is in reference to, unless it is just asking to see if we have laws on the books to prevent it.
Confused

Arnold, MO

#10 May 2, 2008
In your example CC, didn't the City win too since you under bid everyone else hence the City got it CHEAPER than they otherwise would have?

I think where the real problem would be if they gave a related party a job/contract without bidding OR gave it to a related party with a higher bid.

I agree that state law must be followed and any conflict of interest reported by the candidate, but these laws ALREADY EXIST. We don't need new laws.
RSRS

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#12 May 2, 2008
Why doesn't Arnold have open bids likr Richmond Heights? That would make it more open for the bidders and the city would get the best deal. Check it out on the Richmond Heights web page under E-Services.

Randy, who has the contract to cut the grass around City Hall???

Who sells the city the police dispatchers uniform shirt???

This is public record information isn't it.
sad but true

Saint Louis, MO

#14 May 2, 2008
Randy Crisler wrote:
Shirley,
All of his time is donated. Frequently so is his equipment.There are several of us on the council that do many things outside of our scope as elected officials. I myself have provided sound systems for outdoor events and have never charged the city a dime for it.
Good for you Mr. Crisler. Would you like a cookie? I think most folks do many things outside their scope not just you elected officials that like to see yourselves in the papers for doing good deeds.

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#15 May 2, 2008
If all this information is public record and RSRS has any questions regarding who cuts the lawn and who sells the police dispatchers uniform shirts then RSRS should be able to go to city hall and get answers to these questions.

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#16 May 2, 2008
sad but true wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for you Mr. Crisler. Would you like a cookie? I think most folks do many things outside their scope not just you elected officials that like to see yourselves in the papers for doing good deeds.
I'm sure that there are many many people who do things outside their scope but I believe Mr. Crisler was answering a question regarding our elected officials being paid by the city to provide services. Again thanks Randy for your reply.
sad but true

Saint Louis, MO

#18 May 2, 2008
ArnoldCC wrote:
Shirlav,
I think that sbt was saying that some of our reps only do good so that they can have a picture in the paper so they look good. The rest of us do good just to do good.
You may have gotten it this time ArnoldCC I'm proud of you!!!! Now lets work on Shirley. This elected officials need to remember they wanted what the got. Not one person owes them a pat on the back for their services. While I understand when a pat is handed out it is nice but please Mr. Crisler spare up from your pitty, pitty I do good all the time without getting paid bs.
Randy Crisler

AOL

#21 May 2, 2008
There was no sanctimony in the statement and it was only offered to assert that we do not accept contracts or payment for outside services. I do not remember who cuts the grass but I know he was the low bidder and he is not working for any company owned by any member of the council. As for the uniform shirts the dollar amount of that transaction would be well less than anything that would go to council but I am sure if you would like to know you can call city hall and they will tell you. I would call for you but I need to go get a cookie.
sad but true

Saint Louis, MO

#22 May 2, 2008
I'm sure you do need a cookie...Isn't that why you do what you do?
Slinky

United States

#23 May 6, 2008
Quit makin' da man richer. Pass a law! Go Mista Matt!

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#24 May 6, 2008
sad but true wrote:
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Good for you Mr. Crisler. Would you like a cookie? I think most folks do many things outside their scope not just you elected officials that like to see yourselves in the papers for doing good deeds.
I think Mr. Crisler should get 3 or 4 cookies and a glass of milk to go with them.

Thank you for responding to the question ask by RSRS. It was a good question. Randy answered the question and so far the only reponse from Mr. Hay was his e-mail addy.

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#25 May 6, 2008
sad but true wrote:
<quoted text>
I think most folks do many things outside their scope not just you elected officials that like to see yourselves in the papers for doing good deeds.
I'm sure many people do good deeds outside their scope. Electied officials do happen to get into the papers at times for the things they do because they are in the public eye. Mr. Hay also made the news when he helped with sandbagging. Was this just an accident or did someone tell the newsmedia on the scene that Mr. Hay was running for office. I'm sure before his term is over he in the news again and I hope it is for good things he is doing.
Matt Hay

New York, NY

#26 May 6, 2008
Shirlav wrote:
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I think Mr. Crisler should get 3 or 4 cookies and a glass of milk to go with them.
Thank you for responding to the question ask by RSRS. It was a good question. Randy answered the question and so far the only reponse from Mr. Hay was his e-mail addy.
Yes, my response was send me the details. To date, I have not received anything. I am not sure what else you would like me to respond to Shirley?A statement sparse with facts was made asking that something be done, so until I know what the situation is the writer takes issue with, what is it you would like me to do? I am not going to scream impropriety unless I know the facts back up the screaming. I have taken to task both the actions of the City in general and City Officials specifically in the past, however, each time I have done so, there has always been valid cause in my mind, which has been substantiated with fact. I do not believe that public officials or those related to them should be awarded, or even allowed to bid on any City related matters in the first place, and I will never vote to approve any such action/agreement/deal.

What is it you were expecting me to say?
Allen

Saint Louis, MO

#28 May 6, 2008
You mean like Brian Waldorp did ? LOL

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#31 May 6, 2008
I don't have a problem with a public official being in the news for good they have done in the community. Sad but true apparently has problems with it. I believe if a council person does something good and it is news worthy then that is great. As I said I hope Matt is in the news more often for doing somehing good for our community.

To be truthful I was a little shocked to see only Mr. Cooleys name in the paper today regarding the dog park as I know this is something Matt has been interested in and truthfully I would have liked to see him get some of the credit.

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